Knicks | Mavs PG: Tank Championship — EPIC Edition

[blueNorange]

dsj is garbage, lol.

if the mavs weren't tanking that kid would've been pulled to the side and told to stop shooting because he's not good at it.

[iCallBankshot]

Can't believe we lost after Lee's pep talk and KP's surprise return lol. You can't help but wonder if we're the sneakiest tankers in the league

It's the KNICKs. I don't think it's a secret the team sucks and has been competing for ping pong balls each year.

However, right now, we have the strongest tank in the league, and it's not even close: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2764327-new-york-knicks-desperate-tank-job-wont-be-worth-it

[NJ-NYK-17]

dsj is garbage, lol.

if the mavs weren't tanking that kid would've been pulled to the side and told to stop shooting because he's not good at it.

I'm not crazy about DSJ, but he definitely have potential.

That being said, he's not the type of guy I would build a team around

[F N 11]

dsj is garbage, lol.

if the mavs weren't tanking that kid would've been pulled to the side and told to stop shooting because he's not good at it.

I'm not crazy about DSJ, but he definitely have potential.

That being said, he's not the type of guy I would build a team around

I'm a Frank guy. Smith has to get better just like Frank. He has the tools. The fact that he can attempt acrobatic layups even tho he air balled it is a positive. These kids are young and have to grow into their bodies. The NBA is not all skill its physical af.

[Crackerjack465]

Big tank L.

Took a look at all of the teams in front of us - if every team ahead of us in the lottery lost every game the remainder of the way except for games against each other (ex; a game like Brooklyn vs. Atlanta, someone has to win) and the team with the highest record always won (so Brooklyn beat Atlanta), and the Knicks LOST OUT, we would get to #7.

So if any of the teams ahead of us stole a game or two from non-lottery opponents, we could potentially move higher (4-6 range) if we lost out.

[Dr. Detfink]

I've said this many times before. Dennis Smith Jr is definitely a scoring machine but a point guard's job is to get everyone around him involved and better than they actually are. As it stands, the Mavs are chuckers. Talented chuckers but chuckers nonetheless. They'll be looking for a point guard in the draft and the next Eric Dampier in the second round.

Speaking of chuckers, Tim Hardaway Jr puts up another -18 which at this point...no one on the team cares.

I'm glad Scott Perry's Mudiay move is paying immediate dividends. Again, why would you hire someone who has gone from one losing franchise to the next as job experience...none of these franchises have improved during or after his tenure. That's his job experience?

Knicks are closing in on making a job up the lottery % ladder.

[Clyde Frazier]

Read on Twitter

QFT. Carlisle is no bullshitter. Assuring words from him.

[Sark]

I've said this many times before. Dennis Smith Jr is definitely a scoring machine but a point guard's job is to get everyone around him involved and better than they actually are. As it stands, the Mavs are chuckers. Talented chuckers but chuckers nonetheless. They'll be looking for a point guard in the draft and the next Eric Dampier in the second round.

Speaking of chuckers, Tim Hardaway Jr puts up another -18 which at this point...no one on the team cares.

I'm glad Scott Perry's Mudiay move is paying immediate dividends. Again, why would you hire someone who has gone from one losing franchise to the next as job experience...none of these franchises have improved during or after his tenure. That's his job experience?

Knicks are closing in on making a job up the lottery % ladder.

Well he's credited with having been with the Pistons when they won the title 14 years ago, and perhaps he's picked up good things from them. Of course, as you said, he hasn't been able to apply that knowledge anywhere else he's been.

[nykballa2k4]

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QFT. Carlisle is no ****. Assuring words from him.

Some people here say that we "reached" for Frank at 8. Mavs were poised to take him at 9.

The one thing I will say about guys who have that attacking mindset is they tend to improve at it. Westbrook is the "star" comparison, but people were salty about passing up on Jennings back in the day because he was a scorer.

[dakomish23]

Can't believe we lost after Lee's pep talk and KP's surprise return lol. You can't help but wonder if we're the sneakiest tankers in the league

It's the KNICKs. I don't think it's a secret the team sucks and has been competing for ping pong balls each year.

However, right now, we have the strongest tank in the league, and it's not even close: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2764327-new-york-knicks-desperate-tank-job-wont-be-worth-it

This kind of tanking gives way to frustration. Michael Beasley and Tim Hardaway Jr. lead the Knicks in total minutes since Porzingis went down. Leaning on them feels disingenuous both to the contrived nosedive and the general rebuild.

So, too, does limiting Frank Ntilikina's minutes at point guard and yanking him from the starting lineup for a healthy Courtney Lee. Unleashing the youth is supposed to be a crucial element of any tank job. Ntilikina specifically owns a large stake in the Knicks' future.

It doesn't matter that he isn't this front office's pick. He's 19 and still a top-eight prospect. Playing him for barely 16 minutes in a mid-March loss when you aren't competing for a postseason berth and are finding comparable or more time for Trey Burke and Emmanuel Mudiay should be unforgivable.

Yet, in this case, putting Ntilikina on a short leash is essentially part of the Knicks' tank.

Opponents are outscoring New York by 7.5 points per 100 possessions since Porzingis' injury when Ntilikina is on the court. That is objectively terrible. It also happens to be the second-best net rating on the team.

Even as he shoots under 32 percent on pull-up twos, hesitates on his drives and coughs up more than 20 percent of his pick-and-roll possessions, Ntilikina could elevate the Knicks. He's too active on defense.

Among the 94 players this season who have guarded 150 or more pick-and-roll ball-handlers, Ntilikina ranks first in points allowed per 100 possessions and opponent effective field-goal percentage. He's similarly stingy in one-on-one situations and has proved capable of holding his own on the block against bigger guards and wings.

Ntilikina's defense alone won't turn the Knicks into a winning outfit. They're allowing 114.1 points per 100 possessions when he's in the lineup, which is still horrible. But it's better than they've fared overall (117.4 per 100).

Like I said in this thread

Frank and Dot combined played 8 LESS minutes than Beas.

This organization is a disgrace.

[F N 11]

Read on Twitter

Thank God some people know what patience is.

[F N 11]

Can't believe we lost after Lee's pep talk and KP's surprise return lol. You can't help but wonder if we're the sneakiest tankers in the league

It's the KNICKs. I don't think it's a secret the team sucks and has been competing for ping pong balls each year.

However, right now, we have the strongest tank in the league, and it's not even close: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2764327-new-york-knicks-desperate-tank-job-wont-be-worth-it

This kind of tanking gives way to frustration. Michael Beasley and Tim Hardaway Jr. lead the Knicks in total minutes since Porzingis went down. Leaning on them feels disingenuous both to the contrived nosedive and the general rebuild.

So, too, does limiting Frank Ntilikina's minutes at point guard and yanking him from the starting lineup for a healthy Courtney Lee. Unleashing the youth is supposed to be a crucial element of any tank job. Ntilikina specifically owns a large stake in the Knicks' future.

It doesn't matter that he isn't this front office's pick. He's 19 and still a top-eight prospect. Playing him for barely 16 minutes in a mid-March loss when you aren't competing for a postseason berth and are finding comparable or more time for Trey Burke and Emmanuel Mudiay should be unforgivable.

Yet, in this case, putting Ntilikina on a short leash is essentially part of the Knicks' tank.

Opponents are outscoring New York by 7.5 points per 100 possessions since Porzingis' injury when Ntilikina is on the court. That is objectively terrible. It also happens to be the second-best net rating on the team.

Even as he shoots under 32 percent on pull-up twos, hesitates on his drives and coughs up more than 20 percent of his pick-and-roll possessions, Ntilikina could elevate the Knicks. He's too active on defense.

Among the 94 players this season who have guarded 150 or more pick-and-roll ball-handlers, Ntilikina ranks first in points allowed per 100 possessions and opponent effective field-goal percentage. He's similarly stingy in one-on-one situations and has proved capable of holding his own on the block against bigger guards and wings.

Ntilikina's defense alone won't turn the Knicks into a winning outfit. They're allowing 114.1 points per 100 possessions when he's in the lineup, which is still horrible. But it's better than they've fared overall (117.4 per 100).

Like I said in this thread

Frank and Dot combined played 8 LESS minutes than Beas.

This organization is a disgrace.

This was so sad to read. Chasing wins especially against the Mavs is disgraceful. I have seen enough of Jeff. He has to go. Everything from up top keeps saying development but Jeff keeps doing dumb chit. Dude has 6 assist in the first half and barely plays after. The gig is up. Jeff is done. Clown trying to put W's on his resume instead of doing the job which is develop.

[3toheadmelo]

Can't believe we lost after Lee's pep talk and KP's surprise return lol. You can't help but wonder if we're the sneakiest tankers in the league

It's the KNICKs. I don't think it's a secret the team sucks and has been competing for ping pong balls each year.

However, right now, we have the strongest tank in the league, and it's not even close: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2764327-new-york-knicks-desperate-tank-job-wont-be-worth-it

This kind of tanking gives way to frustration. Michael Beasley and Tim Hardaway Jr. lead the Knicks in total minutes since Porzingis went down. Leaning on them feels disingenuous both to the contrived nosedive and the general rebuild.

So, too, does limiting Frank Ntilikina's minutes at point guard and yanking him from the starting lineup for a healthy Courtney Lee. Unleashing the youth is supposed to be a crucial element of any tank job. Ntilikina specifically owns a large stake in the Knicks' future.

It doesn't matter that he isn't this front office's pick. He's 19 and still a top-eight prospect. Playing him for barely 16 minutes in a mid-March loss when you aren't competing for a postseason berth and are finding comparable or more time for Trey Burke and Emmanuel Mudiay should be unforgivable.

Yet, in this case, putting Ntilikina on a short leash is essentially part of the Knicks' tank.

Opponents are outscoring New York by 7.5 points per 100 possessions since Porzingis' injury when Ntilikina is on the court. That is objectively terrible. It also happens to be the second-best net rating on the team.

Even as he shoots under 32 percent on pull-up twos, hesitates on his drives and coughs up more than 20 percent of his pick-and-roll possessions, Ntilikina could elevate the Knicks. He's too active on defense.

Among the 94 players this season who have guarded 150 or more pick-and-roll ball-handlers, Ntilikina ranks first in points allowed per 100 possessions and opponent effective field-goal percentage. He's similarly stingy in one-on-one situations and has proved capable of holding his own on the block against bigger guards and wings.

Ntilikina's defense alone won't turn the Knicks into a winning outfit. They're allowing 114.1 points per 100 possessions when he's in the lineup, which is still horrible. But it's better than they've fared overall (117.4 per 100).

Like I said in this thread

Frank and Dot combined played 8 LESS minutes than Beas.

This organization is a disgrace.

Yo didn’t Jeff tell lee that he was going to get a bunch of less minutes? dude is killing frank’s confidence. Dotson’s confidence has been shot for months. we really gotta get rid of him as soon as the season is over. i cant go through another year of wasted development.

[shtolky]

Can't believe we lost after Lee's pep talk and KP's surprise return lol. You can't help but wonder if we're the sneakiest tankers in the league

It's the KNICKs. I don't think it's a secret the team sucks and has been competing for ping pong balls each year.

However, right now, we have the strongest tank in the league, and it's not even close: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2764327-new-york-knicks-desperate-tank-job-wont-be-worth-it

This kind of tanking gives way to frustration. Michael Beasley and Tim Hardaway Jr. lead the Knicks in total minutes since Porzingis went down. Leaning on them feels disingenuous both to the contrived nosedive and the general rebuild.

So, too, does limiting Frank Ntilikina's minutes at point guard and yanking him from the starting lineup for a healthy Courtney Lee. Unleashing the youth is supposed to be a crucial element of any tank job. Ntilikina specifically owns a large stake in the Knicks' future.

It doesn't matter that he isn't this front office's pick. He's 19 and still a top-eight prospect. Playing him for barely 16 minutes in a mid-March loss when you aren't competing for a postseason berth and are finding comparable or more time for Trey Burke and Emmanuel Mudiay should be unforgivable.

Yet, in this case, putting Ntilikina on a short leash is essentially part of the Knicks' tank.

Opponents are outscoring New York by 7.5 points per 100 possessions since Porzingis' injury when Ntilikina is on the court. That is objectively terrible. It also happens to be the second-best net rating on the team.

Even as he shoots under 32 percent on pull-up twos, hesitates on his drives and coughs up more than 20 percent of his pick-and-roll possessions, Ntilikina could elevate the Knicks. He's too active on defense.

Among the 94 players this season who have guarded 150 or more pick-and-roll ball-handlers, Ntilikina ranks first in points allowed per 100 possessions and opponent effective field-goal percentage. He's similarly stingy in one-on-one situations and has proved capable of holding his own on the block against bigger guards and wings.

Ntilikina's defense alone won't turn the Knicks into a winning outfit. They're allowing 114.1 points per 100 possessions when he's in the lineup, which is still horrible. But it's better than they've fared overall (117.4 per 100).

Like I said in this thread

Frank and Dot combined played 8 LESS minutes than Beas.

This organization is a disgrace.

He's playing 26 mpg post all-star break. That's fine. He's 19 and played under 20 mpg in just 32 games in Europe. He played 28, 33 and 32 minutes respectively the prior three games, so limiting his minutes after those three games wasn't the worst thing in the world.

[robillionaire]

Beasley is /in on it/. Haven't you noticed how fast his game just magically deteriorated after the KP injury? The Knicks promised him a contract if he'd go out there and crap the bed.

[dakomish23]

It's the KNICKs. I don't think it's a secret the team sucks and has been competing for ping pong balls each year.

However, right now, we have the strongest tank in the league, and it's not even close: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2764327-new-york-knicks-desperate-tank-job-wont-be-worth-it

This kind of tanking gives way to frustration. Michael Beasley and Tim Hardaway Jr. lead the Knicks in total minutes since Porzingis went down. Leaning on them feels disingenuous both to the contrived nosedive and the general rebuild.

So, too, does limiting Frank Ntilikina's minutes at point guard and yanking him from the starting lineup for a healthy Courtney Lee. Unleashing the youth is supposed to be a crucial element of any tank job. Ntilikina specifically owns a large stake in the Knicks' future.

It doesn't matter that he isn't this front office's pick. He's 19 and still a top-eight prospect. Playing him for barely 16 minutes in a mid-March loss when you aren't competing for a postseason berth and are finding comparable or more time for Trey Burke and Emmanuel Mudiay should be unforgivable.

Yet, in this case, putting Ntilikina on a short leash is essentially part of the Knicks' tank.

Opponents are outscoring New York by 7.5 points per 100 possessions since Porzingis' injury when Ntilikina is on the court. That is objectively terrible. It also happens to be the second-best net rating on the team.

Even as he shoots under 32 percent on pull-up twos, hesitates on his drives and coughs up more than 20 percent of his pick-and-roll possessions, Ntilikina could elevate the Knicks. He's too active on defense.

Among the 94 players this season who have guarded 150 or more pick-and-roll ball-handlers, Ntilikina ranks first in points allowed per 100 possessions and opponent effective field-goal percentage. He's similarly stingy in one-on-one situations and has proved capable of holding his own on the block against bigger guards and wings.

Ntilikina's defense alone won't turn the Knicks into a winning outfit. They're allowing 114.1 points per 100 possessions when he's in the lineup, which is still horrible. But it's better than they've fared overall (117.4 per 100).

Like I said in this thread

Frank and Dot combined played 8 LESS minutes than Beas.

This organization is a disgrace.

He's playing 26 mpg post all-star break. That's fine. He's 19 and played under 20 mpg in just 32 games in Europe. He played 28, 33 and 32 minutes respectively the prior three games, so limiting his minutes after those three games wasn't the worst thing in the world.

In no way is it ok for a rebuilding team who’s playing out the string to play a vet more minutes then their two recent draft picks COMBINED.

[shtolky]

Like I said in this thread

Frank and Dot combined played 8 LESS minutes than Beas.

This organization is a disgrace.

He's playing 26 mpg post all-star break. That's fine. He's 19 and played under 20 mpg in just 32 games in Europe. He played 28, 33 and 32 minutes respectively the prior three games, so limiting his minutes after those three games wasn't the worst thing in the world.

In no way is it ok for a rebuilding team who’s playing out the string to play a vet more minutes then their two recent draft picks COMBINED.

Dotson's crap minutes, I agree. Frank's, not in this case. Fact is he's playing more minutes since the break and cracked over 28 in three straight games. I don't love the idea of him going from 18 mpg in just 32 total games to 30+ minutes game after game. I don't think we need to run him into the ground, just play him more on average over the remaining games. They are doing that. Definitely agree that it's silly to play the vets a ton of minutes, but I don't want to injure Frank in these meaningless games.

[dakomish23]

It's the KNICKs. I don't think it's a secret the team sucks and has been competing for ping pong balls each year.

However, right now, we have the strongest tank in the league, and it's not even close: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2764327-new-york-knicks-desperate-tank-job-wont-be-worth-it

This kind of tanking gives way to frustration. Michael Beasley and Tim Hardaway Jr. lead the Knicks in total minutes since Porzingis went down. Leaning on them feels disingenuous both to the contrived nosedive and the general rebuild.

So, too, does limiting Frank Ntilikina's minutes at point guard and yanking him from the starting lineup for a healthy Courtney Lee. Unleashing the youth is supposed to be a crucial element of any tank job. Ntilikina specifically owns a large stake in the Knicks' future.

It doesn't matter that he isn't this front office's pick. He's 19 and still a top-eight prospect. Playing him for barely 16 minutes in a mid-March loss when you aren't competing for a postseason berth and are finding comparable or more time for Trey Burke and Emmanuel Mudiay should be unforgivable.

Yet, in this case, putting Ntilikina on a short leash is essentially part of the Knicks' tank.

Opponents are outscoring New York by 7.5 points per 100 possessions since Porzingis' injury when Ntilikina is on the court. That is objectively terrible. It also happens to be the second-best net rating on the team.

Even as he shoots under 32 percent on pull-up twos, hesitates on his drives and coughs up more than 20 percent of his pick-and-roll possessions, Ntilikina could elevate the Knicks. He's too active on defense.

Among the 94 players this season who have guarded 150 or more pick-and-roll ball-handlers, Ntilikina ranks first in points allowed per 100 possessions and opponent effective field-goal percentage. He's similarly stingy in one-on-one situations and has proved capable of holding his own on the block against bigger guards and wings.

Ntilikina's defense alone won't turn the Knicks into a winning outfit. They're allowing 114.1 points per 100 possessions when he's in the lineup, which is still horrible. But it's better than they've fared overall (117.4 per 100).

Like I said in this thread

Frank and Dot combined played 8 LESS minutes than Beas.

This organization is a disgrace.

Yo didn’t Jeff tell lee that he was going to get a bunch of less minutes? dude is killing frank’s confidence. Dotson’s confidence has been shot for months. we really gotta get rid of him as soon as the season is over. i cant go through another year of wasted development.

Idk if it’s just him. I think the mandate from the top is win as many games as possible.

This franchise could land Ayton Doncic or Bagley and would sit them for vets.