NY Post:Knicks must make a run at Kawhi Leonard

[Sark]

Or maybe he’s just a damn good player about his business.

or maybe he's damaged goods.

Maybe KP is too...

Yea but we don't have to give up anything to get KP. We also control KP for another 5 years or so. Kawhi can be an unrestricted free agent next year.

[Greenie]

or maybe he's damaged goods.

Maybe KP is too...

True but KP is on a rookie contract .

For another year...
Then he wants a supermax...

[Greenie]

or maybe he's damaged goods.

Maybe KP is too...

Yea but we don't have to give up anything to get KP. We also control KP for another 5 years or so. Kawhi can be an unrestricted free agent next year.

Don’t care.
I rather have Kawhi as my base.
You rather have KP.

It’s all good.

[Sark]

Maybe KP is too...

Yea but we don't have to give up anything to get KP. We also control KP for another 5 years or so. Kawhi can be an unrestricted free agent next year.

Don’t care.
I rather have Kawhi as my base.
You rather have KP.

It’s all good.

That's the point. You won't have him as your base, as he's a free agent.

[Greenie]

Yea but we don't have to give up anything to get KP. We also control KP for another 5 years or so. Kawhi can be an unrestricted free agent next year.

Don’t care.
I rather have Kawhi as my base.
You rather have KP.

It’s all good.

That's the point. You won't have him as your base, as he's a free agent.

Stop acting like you can’t re-sign him. Stop it.

[fresko024]

Maybe KP is too...

True but KP is on a rookie contract .

For another year...
Then he wants a supermax...

KP is not even eligible for a Supermax.

Kawhi would be a Godsend on this team but the question is what we would have to give up for him.

[RHODEY]

True but KP is on a rookie contract .

For another year...
Then he wants a supermax...

KP is not even eligible for a Supermax.

Kawhi would be a Godsend on this team but the question is what we would have to give up for him.

A healthty Kawhi without having to give up KP might be a Godsend..but thats just not realistic.

[Greenie]

True but KP is on a rookie contract .

For another year...
Then he wants a supermax...

KP is not even eligible for a Supermax.

Kawhi would be a Godsend on this team but the question is what we would have to give up for him.

Rose rule
Dude made the all star team

[Sark]

Don’t care.
I rather have Kawhi as my base.
You rather have KP.

It’s all good.

That's the point. You won't have him as your base, as he's a free agent.

Stop acting like you can’t re-sign him. Stop it.

If you think he would sign here, or wants to be here, then why not just wait for him to be a free agent, and have Kawhi + KP? Makes more sense, no?

[Greenie]

That's the point. You won't have him as your base, as he's a free agent.

Stop acting like you can’t re-sign him. Stop it.

If you think he would sign here, or wants to be here, then why not just wait for him to be a free agent, and have Kawhi + KP? Makes more sense, no?

Oh, so you want him to leave money and years on the table?

Bird rights are real.

We don’t get that unless we trade for him.

[Sark]

Stop acting like you can’t re-sign him. Stop it.

If you think he would sign here, or wants to be here, then why not just wait for him to be a free agent, and have Kawhi + KP? Makes more sense, no?

Oh, so you want him to leave money and years on the table?

Bird rights are real.

We don’t get that unless we trade for him.

And then we're right back to Melo situation. 1 star and no assets to build around him.

Players give up their Bird Rights all the time to go elsewhere. Kawhi can too if he wants to be a Knick. Enough of us bending over for players. Puts us in the terrible situation every single time.

[jstudabaka]

I would rather commit to Leonard long term than Porzingis -- but the "galaxy brain" take is that we should not commit to either of them. KP is a disaster of injuries -- and it seems Kawhi may be headed in that direction too. Plus, it doesn't look like the Knicks would be able to surround Kawhi with the players needed to compete for anything while he's in his prime. The 76ers and Lebron (if he stays in the East) will own this conference for the next few years. The Knicks should just do a true rebuild

[Greenie]

If you think he would sign here, or wants to be here, then why not just wait for him to be a free agent, and have Kawhi + KP? Makes more sense, no?

Oh, so you want him to leave money and years on the table?

Bird rights are real.

We don’t get that unless we trade for him.

And then we're right back to Melo situation. 1 star and no assets to build around him.

Players give up their Bird Rights all the time to go elsewhere. Kawhi can too if he wants to be a Knick. Enough of us bending over for players. Puts us in the terrible situation every single time.

Not superstars.

I’m not here for KP. You are. Let’s agree to disagree because I’m never choosing KP over Kawhi.

[Sark]

Oh, so you want him to leave money and years on the table?

Bird rights are real.

We don’t get that unless we trade for him.

And then we're right back to Melo situation. 1 star and no assets to build around him.

Players give up their Bird Rights all the time to go elsewhere. Kawhi can too if he wants to be a Knick. Enough of us bending over for players. Puts us in the terrible situation every single time.

Not superstars.

I’m not here for KP. You are. Let’s agree to disagree because I’m never choosing KP over Kawhi.

No I'm here for the Knicks, not any particular players. Been following this TEAM since the 1980s. I'm about keeping the most assets for the best price, and building a team. I'm not here to dck ride a player that you might have a crush on.

[Da ThRONe]

That's the point. You won't have him as your base, as he's a free agent.

Stop acting like you can’t re-sign him. Stop it.

If you think he would sign here, or wants to be here, then why not just wait for him to be a free agent, and have Kawhi + KP? Makes more sense, no?

You don't wait because your team won't be the only team trying to get the player and your team isn't the only team the player would reup with. If the Spurs do indeed make Leonard available almost all 29 teams will try. Kawhi will not see free agency. He will eliminate teams by simply letting the league know who he will and won't sign an extension with.

People act like this is something new. Teams don't trade for players without knowing whether or not they can re-sign a player before the deal. Now some teams will still gamble a la OKC Thunder with Paul George this past off-season. However again they knew they before hand. If you make a trade for Leonard it will be with the understanding that he's a) healthy and b) will sign a multi year extension.

[Thugger HBC]

Stop acting like you can’t re-sign him. Stop it.

If you think he would sign here, or wants to be here, then why not just wait for him to be a free agent, and have Kawhi + KP? Makes more sense, no?

You don't wait because your team won't be the only team trying to get the player and your team isn't the only team the player would reup with. If the Spurs do indeed make Leonard available almost all 29 teams will try. Kawhi will not see free agency. He will eliminate teams by simply letting the league know who he will and won't sign an extension with.

People act like this is something new. Teams don't trade for players without knowing whether or not they can re-sign a player before the deal. Now some teams will still gamble a la OKC Thunder with Paul George this past off-season. However again they knew they before hand. If you make a trade for Leonard it will be with the understanding that he's a) healthy and b) will sign a multi year extension.

This isn't accurate. There is no "knowing", how you know he's healthy if he hasn't played? if they were the team and player would sign an extension right then and there, but they cant. Boston did it with Kyrie. Kyrie can walk when his time is up and the Celtics has no guarantees. neither does Okc with PG. Pelicans don't have it with Cousins, even the lakers a few years back didn't have it with Dwight. These rentals have been around quite often.

It would be absolutely idiotic to trade for kawhi, because it will take our core and picks to do it.

Spurs aren't the Knicks, they will not take just KP which don't match up and certainly not Timmy's garbage ass and no picks?

it isn't realistic for us unless he comes as a free agent.

[Greenie]

And then we're right back to Melo situation. 1 star and no assets to build around him.

Players give up their Bird Rights all the time to go elsewhere. Kawhi can too if he wants to be a Knick. Enough of us bending over for players. Puts us in the terrible situation every single time.

Not superstars.

I’m not here for KP. You are. Let’s agree to disagree because I’m never choosing KP over Kawhi.

No I'm here for the Knicks, not any particular players. Been following this TEAM since the 1980s. I'm about keeping the most assets for the best price, and building a team. I'm not here to dck ride a player that you might have a crush on.

I don’t give a damn what you want.
I want the best players. Period.

[Sark]

Not superstars.

I’m not here for KP. You are. Let’s agree to disagree because I’m never choosing KP over Kawhi.

No I'm here for the Knicks, not any particular players. Been following this TEAM since the 1980s. I'm about keeping the most assets for the best price, and building a team. I'm not here to dck ride a player that you might have a crush on.

I don’t give a damn what you want.
I want the best players. Period.

Cool. I want the best team.

[Da ThRONe]

If you think he would sign here, or wants to be here, then why not just wait for him to be a free agent, and have Kawhi + KP? Makes more sense, no?

You don't wait because your team won't be the only team trying to get the player and your team isn't the only team the player would reup with. If the Spurs do indeed make Leonard available almost all 29 teams will try. Kawhi will not see free agency. He will eliminate teams by simply letting the league know who he will and won't sign an extension with.

People act like this is something new. Teams don't trade for players without knowing whether or not they can re-sign a player before the deal. Now some teams will still gamble a la OKC Thunder with Paul George this past off-season. However again they knew they before hand. If you make a trade for Leonard it will be with the understanding that he's a) healthy and b) will sign a multi year extension.

This isn't accurate. There is no "knowing", how you know he's healthy if he hasn't played? if they were the team and player would sign an extension right then and there, but they cant. Boston did it with Kyrie. Kyrie can walk when his time is up and the Celtics has no guarantees. neither does Okc with PG. Pelicans don't have it with Cousins, even the lakers a few years back didn't have it with Dwight. These rentals have been around quite often.

It would be absolutely idiotic to trade for kawhi, because it will take our core and picks to do it.

Spurs aren't the Knicks, they will not take just KP which don't match up and certainly not Timmy's garbage ass and no picks?

it isn't realistic for us unless he comes as a free agent.

There's a clear difference between having an understanding and knowing. Of course you'll never be guaranteed anything concerning a players health.

As far as the teams core what is it exactly outside of Porzingis? Are you counting Hardaway, Burke, Williams, Dotson, Kornet, Hicks, Thomas, or Baker ? All those players will be here. Are you counting Beasley, Kanter, O'Quinn, they may not be here anyways.

So what are the Knicks giving up? The draft pick? He is mathematical more likely to be a bust than a key player. Ntilikina he's a solid prospect, but is really lacking on offense. Lee solid vet. Porzingis as good as he's been he's not likely to be as good as Leonard and just blew his knee out and isn't likely to be back until around Christmas. The only way this is even enough is if Leonard is trying to force his way to a larger market like NY or LA.

But to my point there's nothing about this current core that needs to be held onto if given a chance at a top 5 player Finals MvP.

[Thugger HBC]

You don't wait because your team won't be the only team trying to get the player and your team isn't the only team the player would reup with. If the Spurs do indeed make Leonard available almost all 29 teams will try. Kawhi will not see free agency. He will eliminate teams by simply letting the league know who he will and won't sign an extension with.

People act like this is something new. Teams don't trade for players without knowing whether or not they can re-sign a player before the deal. Now some teams will still gamble a la OKC Thunder with Paul George this past off-season. However again they knew they before hand. If you make a trade for Leonard it will be with the understanding that he's a) healthy and b) will sign a multi year extension.

This isn't accurate. There is no "knowing", how you know he's healthy if he hasn't played? if they were the team and player would sign an extension right then and there, but they cant. Boston did it with Kyrie. Kyrie can walk when his time is up and the Celtics has no guarantees. neither does Okc with PG. Pelicans don't have it with Cousins, even the lakers a few years back didn't have it with Dwight. These rentals have been around quite often.

It would be absolutely idiotic to trade for kawhi, because it will take our core and picks to do it.

Spurs aren't the Knicks, they will not take just KP which don't match up and certainly not Timmy's garbage ass and no picks?

it isn't realistic for us unless he comes as a free agent.

There's a clear different between having an understanding and knowing. Of course you get be guaranteed anything concerning a players health.

As far as the teams core what is it exactly outside of Porzingis? Are you counting Hardaway, Burke, Williams, Dotson, Kornet, Hicks, Thomas, or Baker ? All those players will be here. Are you counting Beasley, Kanter, O'Quinn, they may not be here anyways.

So what are the Knicks giving up? The draft pick? He is mathematical more likely to be a bust than a key player. Ntilikina he's a solid prospect, but is really lacking on offense. Lee solid vet. Porzingis as good as he's been he's not likely to be as good as Leonard and just blew his knee out and isn't likely to be back until around Christmas. The only way this is even enough is if Leonard is trying to force his way to a larger market like NY or LA.

But to my point there's nothing about this current core that needs to be held onto if given a chance at a top 5 player Finals MvP.

I heard this same debate when trading for Melo and I was on that side making it. I'll never endorse such a deal ever again.

It's not about individual names given up, it's mortgaging now and the future when winning wont be the goal at the end.

Kawhi and bunch of nobodies gets nothing done. It will cost multiple picks to acquire him as well. Easy pass for me.

Sign as a free agent if he wants to be here so bad.