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3toheadmelo wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:

Greenie wrote:

You're banging KP and Frank about their defense is comical considering your stanning for Melo all these years.

both of them aren't elite defenders. that's really all she's saying. plus melo is on one of the top defensive teams in the NBA

and you contradicting yourself cause you out here stanning for bums like beasley and kanter who aren't even good enough offensively to make up for their trash defense

HarthorneWingo wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:

You're banging KP and Frank about their defense is comical considering your stanning for Melo all these years.

both of them aren't elite defenders. that's really all she's saying. plus melo is on one of the top defensive teams in the NBA

and you contradicting yourself cause you out here stanning for bums like beasley and kanter who aren't even good enough offensively to make up for their trash defense

Beasley and Kanter? Ok. So what? I'm still saying Frank and KP are excellent defensive players. Can they improve? Of course. This whole argument that Greenie started is all because she's butthurt about Melo. She's the biggest troll on this forum.

Polk377 wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:both of them aren't elite defenders. that's really all she's saying. plus melo is on one of the top defensive teams in the NBA

and you contradicting yourself cause you out here stanning for bums like beasley and kanter who aren't even good enough offensively to make up for their trash defense

Beasley and Kanter? Ok. So what? I'm still saying Frank and KP are excellent defensive players. Can they improve? Of course. This whole argument that Greenie started is all because she's butthurt about Melo. She's the biggest troll on this forum.

Nah. I have had my ups and downs with Greenie on here but I don't think she is purposely trolling. I think this whole argument is being blown out of proportion.

HarthorneWingo wrote:

Polk377 wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Beasley and Kanter? Ok. So what? I'm still saying Frank and KP are excellent defensive players. Can they improve? Of course. This whole argument that Greenie started is all because she's butthurt about Melo. She's the biggest troll on this forum.

Nah. I have had my ups and downs with Greenie on here but I don't think she is purposely trolling. I think this whole argument is being blown out of proportion.

PIcks fights for no good reason? Can you at least go with that?

god shammgod wrote:i think when a guy is really a great defender, you don't need to convince anyone of it. it's obvious to everyone. when you watch the guys who are known for that, nobody denies it. because they can't. he might be excelling in some areas according to stats (a stat that has westbrook and curry in the top 10 so...) but i wouldn't say he's reached that point. nor should he in first year probably. you have people going hard at him because his first year has been somewhat disappointing. and you have people who are trying to find the positives in the hope that we made a good pick after all. it's too early to really know either way.

Polk377 wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:

Polk377 wrote:
Nah. I have had my ups and downs with Greenie on here but I don't think she is purposely trolling. I think this whole argument is being blown out of proportion.

PIcks fights for no good reason? Can you at least go with that?

Like I said, we have had our fights on here for sure lol. I don't think she is on the level of Mr. Perfect aka MP4life though.

HarthorneWingo wrote:

Polk377 wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:
PIcks fights for no good reason? Can you at least go with that?

Like I said, we have had our fights on here for sure lol. I don't think she is on the level of Mr. Perfect aka MP4life though.

She may not be on the level of Mr. Perfect, but who is? He was the perfect troll.

She draws too many lines in the sand. She's a habitual line drawer/stepper.



What's wrong with MP4life? I don't follow him all his posts but from what I've seen, he okay.

HarthorneWingo wrote:

Polk377 wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:
PIcks fights for no good reason? Can you at least go with that?

Like I said, we have had our fights on here for sure lol. I don't think she is on the level of Mr. Perfect aka MP4life though.

She may not be on the level of Mr. Perfect, but who is? He was the perfect troll.

She draws too many lines in the sand. She's a habitual line drawer/stepper.



What's wrong with MP4life? I don't follow him all his posts but from what I've seen, he okay.

fatalogic wrote:

j4remi wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:Refs have been calling him for some BS fouls though. When Frank correctly anticipates what the offensive player will do and gets to that position on the court first (before the offensive player does), the refs have been calling Frank for the block that was really just a good play (IMO). The refs don't seem used to his skill level.

I'm hoping it's just rookie treatment but man could he do with learning how to sell contact on both ends. The calls lately, especially in Charlotte, were really frustrating. Kid needs to sell calls like Kemba sold the elbow on that drive and dunk.

It's just rookie treatment. Remember how KP had foul trouble and this year it magically went away. Once you get a rep you get a lot of leeway. Kawhi Leonard is really good at defense but he does get away with a lot of stuff that they would call on other players. That's part of the reason that Lebron hates going against him, he is really good and Lebron can't get superstar calls against him.

BBALLER4FR wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:

j4remi wrote:
I think maybe he means that Frank isn't as physical as most great defenders. He's all over his man but gives a bit more space (maybe for recovery?), was leading the league in deflections for a while and can switch and bother almost anyone with his length (Otto Porter couldn't shoot over him all night and had to rely on attacking him with power moves to middling results at best). But I wouldn't say he lacks intensity, just the physicality that you typically see.

Refs have been calling him for some BS fouls though. When Frank correctly anticipates what the offensive player will do and gets to that position on the court first (before the offensive player does), the refs have been calling Frank for the block that was really just a good play (IMO). The refs don't seem used to his skill level.

I don't know what it is but officials don't love his brand of defense enough to respect him and I can't see them suddenly giving him the benifit. Delabaloney for instance got mad respect from officials (at least enough not to foul out in 20 minutes) for his defense in his rookie year. Maybe it's because Frank's a Knick. But I can assure you, if he were a Celtic he'd be considered an elite defender by all player, refs and media in his rookie year.

Kampuchea wrote:

god shammgod wrote:i think when a guy is really a great defender, you don't need to convince anyone of it. it's obvious to everyone. when you watch the guys who are known for that, nobody denies it. because they can't. he might be excelling in some areas according to stats (a stat that has westbrook and curry in the top 10 so...) but i wouldn't say he's reached that point. nor should he in first year probably. you have people going hard at him because his first year has been somewhat disappointing. and you have people who are trying to find the positives in the hope that we made a good pick after all. it's too early to really know either way.

Can’t agree with this. Realgm Knicks lives off of people denying things that are obvious.

If people watch and understand the game, his elite long D is staring you hard in the face.

Polk377 wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:

Polk377 wrote:
Like I said, we have had our fights on here for sure lol. I don't think she is on the level of Mr. Perfect aka MP4life though.

She may not be on the level of Mr. Perfect, but who is? He was the perfect troll.

She draws too many lines in the sand. She's a habitual line drawer/stepper.



What's wrong with MP4life? I don't follow him all his posts but from what I've seen, he okay.

Lol I can agree there are multiple lines drawn that are outlandish.

MP4Life IS Mr. Perfect!!! What do you think the MP stands for? Lol

HarthorneWingo wrote:

Polk377 wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:
PIcks fights for no good reason? Can you at least go with that?

Like I said, we have had our fights on here for sure lol. I don't think she is on the level of Mr. Perfect aka MP4life though.

She may not be on the level of Mr. Perfect, but who is? He was the perfect troll.

She draws too many lines in the sand. She's a habitual line drawer/stepper.



What's wrong with MP4life? I don't follow all his posts but from what I've seen, he okay.

thebuzzardman wrote:

Kampuchea wrote:

god shammgod wrote:i think when a guy is really a great defender, you don't need to convince anyone of it. it's obvious to everyone. when you watch the guys who are known for that, nobody denies it. because they can't. he might be excelling in some areas according to stats (a stat that has westbrook and curry in the top 10 so...) but i wouldn't say he's reached that point. nor should he in first year probably. you have people going hard at him because his first year has been somewhat disappointing. and you have people who are trying to find the positives in the hope that we made a good pick after all. it's too early to really know either way.

Can’t agree with this. Realgm Knicks lives off of people denying things that are obvious.

If people watch and understand the game, his elite long D is staring you hard in the face.

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HarthorneWingo wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:

You're banging KP and Frank about their defense is comical considering your stanning for Melo all these years.

both of them aren't elite defenders. that's really all she's saying. plus melo is on one of the top defensive teams in the NBA

and you contradicting yourself cause you out here stanning for bums like beasley and kanter who aren't even good enough offensively to make up for their trash defense

Beasley and Kanter? Ok. What does that have to do with anything?

I'm still saying Frank and KP are excellent defensive players. Can they improve? Of course. This whole argument that Greenie started is all because she's butthurt about Melo. She's the biggest troll on this forum.

Kampuchea wrote:

god shammgod wrote:i think when a guy is really a great defender, you don't need to convince anyone of it. it's obvious to everyone. when you watch the guys who are known for that, nobody denies it. because they can't. he might be excelling in some areas according to stats (a stat that has westbrook and curry in the top 10 so...) but i wouldn't say he's reached that point. nor should he in first year probably. you have people going hard at him because his first year has been somewhat disappointing. and you have people who are trying to find the positives in the hope that we made a good pick after all. it's too early to really know either way.

Can’t agree with this. Realgm Knicks lives off of people denying things that are obvious.

If people watch and understand the game, his elite long D is staring you hard in the face.

HarthorneWingo wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:

You're banging KP and Frank about their defense is comical considering your stanning for Melo all these years.

both of them aren't elite defenders. that's really all she's saying. plus melo is on one of the top defensive teams in the NBA

and you contradicting yourself cause you out here stanning for bums like beasley and kanter who aren't even good enough offensively to make up for their trash defense

Beasley and Kanter? Ok. What does that have to do with anything?

I'm still saying Frank and KP are excellent defensive players. Can they improve? Of course. This whole argument that Greenie started is all because she's butthurt about Melo. She's the biggest troll on this forum.