Nazrmohamed wrote:PeoplesChamp wrote:eagle54 wrote:
Do you think warriors won without good Defense ? Klay Green and now even KD are very good defender too. Like you say, not a problem if frank is not a 25 ppg guy, KP and another guys could be the first option. Frank could be 3rd or 4th and with his mentality he can easily accept that so not future ego's war it's perfect for us to build.
KD plays defense AND scores 26 ppg. Klay plays defense AND scores 20 ppg as the third offensive option.
Draymond is a defensive guy who gets to all-star games, but, he's like that Tupac song "You aint shyt without your homeboys"
Frank will probably never average 20 ppg. So ok, he looks promising defensively. But this league doesn't put a premium on defense like it used to. Think about it. A Mike D'Antoni team might win the championship.
The other thing that needs to be mentioned, cuz you'll probably get killed on this post, is we're talking about the 8th pick in a draft. Not 20th, not 30th.....The 8th.
Think of our favorite pure defenders. Tony Allen, Danny Green, guys who are fan favorites. You need guys like that but you wouldn't draft them with an 8th pick so it's not simply an argument about valueing defense. I LOVE defense and because I love defense, I would naturally love Frank........But that doesn't mean that I like him at the 8th pick. And then as a secondary argument even given the low offensive output individually, what's the secondary skill? Ok he'll never be a top scorer and he defends. Does he project as an elite passer, elite rebounder?
For me it's about opportunity cost. Could we have found a running mate for KP at picck 8 and then simply found a defensive role player in a future draft where we had a lower pick? So I think people don't understand the true argument. Signing Renaldo Balkman made sense. But it made sense with our second rounder that year, while there were better options where he was drafted. It'd be like signing Zhair Smith with our 9th pick this yr when we could've just traded down and still signed him at pick 15. It's about value at the pick slot.
With all that said, it is what it is, he's a knick. It did look like toward the end he started getting more confident. I think he recently had a game where he took 16 shots, which is all I've been asking him to do all yr. And all my critics asked "oh well you want him just jacking up bad shots". Well guess what? He scored at a 53%clip that night. The night he took 16 shots. So point is, acting confident and being aggressive doesn't necessarily mean inefficient, it means confident and aggressive. Let's see what he does in the off-season to build more confidence. I view him as a long term piece. Hopefully he continues to get aggressive. I don't need him to be a 20pt scorer but I don't think it's crazy to be a 13pt scorer at some point. That'd be good
tony Allen made 6 all defensive teams. Are there really 8 players in tony Allen's draft class better than tony allen?
Were there 8 players in Bruce Bowen draft class better than Bruce bowen?
Were there 8 players in Michael cooper' s draft class better than Michael cooper?
What about Rodman during his bulls days who actually did have a jumpshot but refused to shoot the ball and always had a modest scoring total every year.
To me Frank went where he belongs lower half top 10 pick based on his potential as a defensive stopper. But he has more offensive potential than all the guys I listed so he could exceed expectations.