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Frank Ntilikina - Sophomore Year

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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#21 » by Grinditout » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:59 pm

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EchelonNYK wrote:Frank has to grow at least 5 more feet to become a legit DPOY contender. They take rebounding and blocks in consideration as well, not just steals and opponent shooting percentage.

not for the guards who've won it.

I don’t think it’d be a stretch to say that Frank has DPOY potential. Doesn’t mean the same as winning the whole thing as bigs in general have an advantage. But still, the tools are there.

I already think he’s one of the better defensive guards in the league, and this is only in his first year.

Not sure how his offense and playmaking will turn out but I’m more confident that he’ll at least be close to an elite defensive presence
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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#22 » by MaseInYourFace » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:03 pm

Don't think he has that it factor to be a star. He's just way too passive and guys like that rarely develop that edge. But he can be a very important player on a winning team. Should be a perennial all NBA D guy as well. His IQ on the defensive end is off the charts.
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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#23 » by Spree2Houston » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:03 pm

Almost every championship team has that one lockdown/DPOY type player in their lineup.

to name a few:
Spurs - Leonard
Warriors - Green/Iggy
Cavs - Lebron
Pistons - Wallace/Billups

We have potentially 2 elite defensive players in KP and Frank. One on the perimeter and one in the paint. A solid foundation needed to form a quality defensive team. Both are 2-way players so it won't be a Roberson situation where the defense will isolate one player out on offense.

Frank will never be a Star but he'll be the unsung hero of this team, the super-complimentary player.
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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#24 » by GONYK » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:03 pm

Frank will be legit on both ends of the ball. High level starter. If we're smart enough to develop him as a PG, he will be dominant defensively.
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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#25 » by j4remi » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:10 pm

Spree2Houston wrote:Almost every championship team has that one lockdown/DPOY type player in their lineup.

to name a few:
Spurs - Leonard
Warriors - Green/Iggy
Cavs - Lebron
Pistons - Wallace/Billups

We have potentially 2 elite defensive players in KP and Frank. One on the perimeter and one in the paint. A solid foundation needed to form a quality defensive team. Both are 2-way players so it won't be a Roberson situation where the defense will isolate one player out on offense.

Frank will never be a Star but he'll be the unsung hero of this team, the super-complimentary player.


Imagine if we add Mikal too...I'm gonna be so disappointed if we don't get dude.
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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#26 » by King of Canada » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:13 pm

I think that Frank is going to be as good as he wants to be. It's all up to him now, and he has the whole world at his finger tips. Obviously he came from a backwater league playing as a teen, so his offensive and strength development to this point has been awful to say the least. When I look at Frank he reminds of so many guys from the days of drafting high school players. He needs development and a ton of strength training. I think we'll find out this summer if he's up for it.
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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#27 » by BeagleBoss » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:15 pm

I try not to hold Mitchell on Ntilikina cause it's not his fault we messed up. And I beat myself saying he's only 18/19. But overall, I was disappointed with Ntilikina. He's not a bust but I expected more from the 8th pick. I see a career role player at best. Hope I'm dead wrong but his offensive skillset is slim, he lacks NBA speed and athletecism and he doesn't seem to have the personality to be a legit 2-way player. Again, hope I'm dead wrong cause we need him to maximize his potential and he's a nice kid.
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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#28 » by vallen » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:15 pm

hes slowly progressing into a decent bench guy.
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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#29 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:15 pm

Capn'O wrote:Frank is gonna be good and some of you will need to deal.

Fury wrote:Hmm. Were you on the list?


Wat?! What kind of list is this?


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Post#30 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:17 pm

vallen wrote:hes slowly progressing into a decent bench guy.


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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#31 » by NY 567 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:24 pm

He has upside, but he's a complete project. Like any project with upside, he could turn into a hell of a player, he has good instincts and physical gifts for sure, or he could flame out spectacularly. Just have to hope for the best.
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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#32 » by Fury » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:38 pm

Capn'O wrote:Frank is gonna be good and some of you will need to deal.

Fury wrote:Hmm. Were you on the list?


Wat?! What kind of list is this?


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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#33 » by GONYK » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:42 pm

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Spree2Houston wrote:Almost every championship team has that one lockdown/DPOY type player in their lineup.

to name a few:
Spurs - Leonard
Warriors - Green/Iggy
Cavs - Lebron
Pistons - Wallace/Billups

We have potentially 2 elite defensive players in KP and Frank. One on the perimeter and one in the paint. A solid foundation needed to form a quality defensive team. Both are 2-way players so it won't be a Roberson situation where the defense will isolate one player out on offense.

Frank will never be a Star but he'll be the unsung hero of this team, the super-complimentary player.


Imagine if we add Mikal too...I'm gonna be so disappointed if we don't get dude.


I don't think he makes it past the Bulls, and that gives me legit tears
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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#34 » by blueNorange » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:45 pm

looks to be a solid role player.
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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#35 » by NoLayupRule » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:47 pm

Kristaps6_NYK wrote:Yeah we missed out on DSJ and Mitchell, but Frank is no slouch.?

you lost me there

we didn't miss out on DSJ, we dogged a bullet there

that guy literally plays top 5 worst defense at his position in the nba

we dont need that
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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#36 » by MaseInYourFace » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:47 pm

NY 567 wrote:He has upside, but he's a complete project. Like any project with upside, he could turn into a hell of a player, he has good instincts and physical gifts for sure, or he could flame out spectacularly. Just have to hope for the best.


He's a unique player because I would call him a half project. He's so advanced on D but so behind on O.
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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#37 » by WeAreNYC » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:54 pm

I still believe Frank is going to be really good. I think finding a coach that prioritizes his development is the most important thing for us (not just him but all the young guys). He showed flashes throughout the year and did so on a more consistent basis over the last 20 or so games. I'm not talking about putting up 20-30 PTS or anything like that, but flashes that the skillset was there. Consistency is going to be key for Frank in the next two seasons with him hopefully eliminating some of the 1/8 shooting nights that really hurt him & I think that's doable.

In his 9 games w/ at least 30 minutes this year he put up:

10.6 PPG | 4.7 APG | 3.3 RPG | 1.2 SPG on 42.2 FG% & 42.2 3P% (2.9 3PA)

I'd love to see him first & foremost get more games w/ 30+ minutes and from there see if he can put up about 12-13 PPG | 5 APG | 4 RPG w/ a steal per game.

Back on the 30+ MPG thing, I think it's insane how few times Frank cracked 30 minutes.

Markelle Fultz - 0 (to be expected w/ his situation)
Lonzo Ball - 37
Jayson Tatum - 48
Josh Jackson - 21
Jonathan Isaac - 0 (he played 27 games & was in & out of the lineup w/ injury)
Lauri Markkanen - 36
Dennis Smith - 37
Zach Collins - 1
Malik Monk - 0
Luke Kennard - 8
Donovan Mitchel - 61
Bam Adebayo - 10 (played 9 less games than Frank)

I get that most of those guys are considered better than Frank at this point but I think the fact that they all for the most part were given more of a shot to go out there, play and get comfortable is a big thing as well.

Not saying Frank would've put up the above statline from his 9 30+ games if the sample size was was 25-30 but you never know. There were 26 games after KP got injured, that at minimum should've been when we saw the shift to looking at Frank to see what he could do w/ 30+ MPG.

So here's hoping we get a chance to see Frank a bit more each game next year
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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#38 » by Greenie » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:51 pm

I’m indifferent right now.
I like him as my starting SG moving forward with Trey as the PG because they are both combos.

Frankie doesn’t bother me. He can stay. Plus I turn him into a beast on 2k...
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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#39 » by Greenie » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:54 pm

Fury wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Frank is gonna be good and some of you will need to deal.

Fury wrote:Hmm. Were you on the list?


Wat?! What kind of list is this?


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Re: Frank Ntilikina - Rookie Year 

Post#40 » by Capn'O » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:57 pm

Greenie wrote:
Fury wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Frank is gonna be good and some of you will need to deal.



Wat?! What kind of list is this?


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