ImageImageImageImageImage

Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn

Moderators: moocow007, magnumt, Capn'O, FrontOfficeEye, Thorn, King of Canada, GONYK, NoLayupRule, mrpoetryNmotion, Thugger HBC, j4remi, Deeeez Knicks

User avatar
AllanHoustonFan
RealGM
Posts: 25,896
And1: 4,309
Joined: Jun 27, 2010
Location: Hoodbooger from the 'Ville
     

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#21 » by AllanHoustonFan » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:10 am

Worst_to_First wrote:
AllanHoustonFan wrote:He has no choice. The Knicks control him for the forseeable future.


It would be foolish but I would not put it past this guy's camp to do a Greg Monroe in just taking a QO and get the freedom to choose KP's team.

What hurt us was the timing of KP's injury. It was too late for the tank and we have zero chance in trading him at draft day to hedge the risks of hin leaving.

I am in the minority here but I would be willing to trade him for Doncic or Ayton straight up.

When KP is on our books with a max contract, the downside potential with him being injury prone will be great.

And look where Monroe is now. I wouldn't worry about KP making that mistake. Nothing is guaranteed in this league.
#TankForDoncic?
User avatar
ChaosHamster
Analyst
Posts: 3,360
And1: 2,285
Joined: Oct 07, 2015

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#22 » by ChaosHamster » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:24 am

Worst_to_First wrote:
AllanHoustonFan wrote:He has no choice. The Knicks control him for the forseeable future.


It would be foolish but I would not put it past this guy's camp to do a Greg Monroe in just taking a QO and get the freedom to choose KP's team.

What hurt us was the timing of KP's injury. It was too late for the tank and we have zero chance in trading him at draft day to hedge the risks of hin leaving.

I am in the minority here but I would be willing to trade him for Doncic or Ayton straight up.

When KP is on our books with a max contract, the downside potential with him being injury prone will be great.


I've been saying it. If KP really wants out, that's his chance.

Threaten you gonna take QO and leave for nothing, so Knicks are forced to trade him while hes still gonna be RFA, so the team thats trades for him can max him out without him leaving. That way they gonna get more value, rather than waiting for him to take QO and then trading him while hes gonna be UFA after it..
User avatar
Fat Kat
RealGM
Posts: 21,713
And1: 9,395
Joined: Apr 19, 2004
     

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#23 » by Fat Kat » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:27 am

KP doesn't want to go anywhere. Him and his people seem to like the high profile city life. If he acts up, send him and Janis to Utah or Sacramento.
All comments made by Fat Kat are given as opinion, which may or may not be derived from facts, and not made to personally attack anyone on Realgm. All rights reserved.®
bleedblue3303
Pro Prospect
Posts: 841
And1: 209
Joined: Dec 29, 2009

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#24 » by bleedblue3303 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:53 am

I'm just wondering. not saying I would even consider this. But what do you think KP trade value around the league is?
User avatar
ChaosHamster
Analyst
Posts: 3,360
And1: 2,285
Joined: Oct 07, 2015

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#25 » by ChaosHamster » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:15 am

bleedblue3303 wrote:I'm just wondering. not saying I would even consider this. But what do you think KP trade value around the league is?


3 good young prospects/picks
User avatar
Besart19
General Manager
Posts: 8,781
And1: 1,774
Joined: Feb 12, 2012
Location: Dibra, Albania
   

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#26 » by Besart19 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:44 am

Greenie wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
Read on Twitter

I need Alan to STFU.


Noah, Timmy, KP, 2020 first, 2022 swap and Chi 2nd for Kawhi, Anderson and Gasol

Lee and Lance for Faried

Sign

Trey / Mudiay / Ron / Jack
Ntilikina / Hezonja / Dotson
Doncic / Anderson / T-Will
Leonard / Faried / Kornet
* / Okafor / Gasol / Hicks

* = free agent (O'Quinn, Noel, Cousins, Brook, or 2019 super loaded class)
Image
User avatar
Phish Tank
RealGM
Posts: 13,196
And1: 6,113
Joined: Nov 09, 2004
Location: Your Timepiece
   

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#27 » by Phish Tank » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:15 am

Greenie wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
Read on Twitter

I need Alan to STFU.


yes. And also, being distant from the organization is nothing new from players who've went through these long rehabs.
CMFGB/SMFPB

BAF- Houston Rockets:
PG: Fox (34)/Kilpatrick (25)/Galloway
SG: Snell (30)/Waiters (15)/Wade/Rose
SF: Wilson Chandler (30)
PF: Randle (30) /Rabb (16)
C: Willy (30)/Vucevic (20)/Stone(10)/Tavares

Exempt: Thomas Bryant
User avatar
Garbagelo
Senior
Posts: 584
And1: 453
Joined: Jul 17, 2015

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#28 » by Garbagelo » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:22 am

Still don't believe any single player should dictate the future of an organization.
User avatar
Are We Ther Yet
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,912
And1: 3,052
Joined: Nov 07, 2012
       

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#29 » by Are We Ther Yet » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:53 am

Phish Tank wrote:
Greenie wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
Read on Twitter

I need Alan to STFU.


yes. And also, being distant from the organization is nothing new from players who've went through these long rehabs.


Yeah...Wtf Alan? Not getting enough clicks? Dude said he loves it here!! He's aware of the rebuild. He's focused on his knee and not giving the media any quotes.

I admit...it wasn't a ringing endorsement. He's just doing his thing. This is a business now. Much bigger for these younger kids than it ever was before. He's got an image and a brand to protect. I would love for him to say he'd retire a Knick...he was put in the trading block!!! He's not gonna forget that. Ever.
a knick fan forum. not a "argue ad nauseam about narratives and biases you hold like blood feuds that span decades" forum, you sentient buttplug. - Marty McFly :lol:
bleedblue3303
Pro Prospect
Posts: 841
And1: 209
Joined: Dec 29, 2009

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#30 » by bleedblue3303 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:55 am

ChaosHamster wrote:
bleedblue3303 wrote:I'm just wondering. not saying I would even consider this. But what do you think KP trade value around the league is?


3 good young prospects/picks


i would consider that.
User avatar
gavran
RealGM
Posts: 13,557
And1: 3,088
Joined: Nov 02, 2005
Location: crossing the line

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#31 » by gavran » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:59 am

Trust the FO? Are we sure the Knicks' medical staff operated on his knee?

Image
User avatar
Blockwatcher
Analyst
Posts: 3,171
And1: 1,396
Joined: Jan 23, 2014
Location: In the tank
 

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#32 » by Blockwatcher » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:00 pm

You guys worry too much.
1 John 2 : 15-17
User avatar
Dr. Detfink
RealGM
Posts: 16,997
And1: 3,784
Joined: Dec 31, 2005
Location: NYC
Contact:
       

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#33 » by Dr. Detfink » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:13 pm

KP knows his place. Yes, looking at YOU, Lebron James.

Players play.

Don't get involved in signings, contracts, FA, GM and coaches.

I can't wait for Lebron to split, while Cavs are stuck with Tristan Thompson's contract. Dead weight that Lebron forced upon the Cavs to keep him, happy.
User avatar
CrazyKnicks
General Manager
Posts: 8,363
And1: 1,311
Joined: Aug 04, 2009

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#34 » by CrazyKnicks » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:27 pm

The sad part is regardless of what we build around KP, we have two teams in our division with much better young talent and future. Even if we make solid moves, we're 3rd best team in our division at best. That's what 30 win seasons and dumb signings like Noah and THJ do to a franchise. We'll be wasting KP's prime years competing with a stacked Philly and Boston team. If I were him, I would demand a trade.
User avatar
HarthorneWingo
Knicks Forum Grandpa's Law
Posts: 44,748
And1: 15,592
Joined: May 16, 2005
   

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#35 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:22 pm

"We have to ..." as in there is no choice, what can you do?

vs.

"We trust the front office to make the right decision."

Message received, KP. Message received.
Image
bleedblue3303
Pro Prospect
Posts: 841
And1: 209
Joined: Dec 29, 2009

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#36 » by bleedblue3303 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:57 pm

I am starting to think KP is damaged goods. He's an all world talent. But his years as Melo's understudy may have taught him some bad leadership habits.

I also really am starting to believe his body is not built for a full season, superstar minutes.
Here's what I propose,

New York and Phoenix

We offer

KP
Hardaway 4 years left
Lee 3 years left

we get

B Knight 3 years
Dudly 2 years
Josh Jackson

We also receive the 2 Phoenix picks this year.
We now are on pace to have our money right in 3 years completely
and
Gives us 3 picks in this years draft
Plus a starting back court of Frank and Jackson.

What do you think?
User avatar
Garbagelo
Senior
Posts: 584
And1: 453
Joined: Jul 17, 2015

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#37 » by Garbagelo » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:02 pm

Fear, uncertainty and doubt.
User avatar
TheGreenArrow
Starter
Posts: 2,377
And1: 1,581
Joined: Sep 13, 2017

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#38 » by TheGreenArrow » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:08 pm

I would offer kp for one of the top 3 picks in this draft.
User avatar
Dr. Detfink
RealGM
Posts: 16,997
And1: 3,784
Joined: Dec 31, 2005
Location: NYC
Contact:
       

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#39 » by Dr. Detfink » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:12 pm

Knight, Dudley, Jackson? TERRIBLE deal...and the Suns won't take Tim Hardaway Jr's garbage contract but they will take anyone delusional to think KP is damaged goods.

Just because you're the "leading scorer" does NOT entitle you...nor does it necessarily qualify you as the leader.

ANYONE...I mean, anyone STILL hung up about KP's injuries. Look at Joel Embiid.

The Sixers used to be as STOO-pid as the Knicks. Telling their players to bulk up, train harder, and go all out on minutes. Guess what? Not giving guys time to grow into their bodies with a limit on minutes backfired. Embiid lost TWO years. Simmons lost one.

KP needs to be nurtured. Big bodies don't last long in general. Ask Ralph Sampson.

Again....I love that KP is telling everyone, the players place is to play. Don't be thinking you can do other people's jobs w/o having them.

THAT's the BEST leader, knowing your role.
User avatar
N8isScofield
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,466
And1: 1,825
Joined: Jul 01, 2010
Location: Gotham
         

Re: Porzingis: We have to trust front office per espn 

Post#40 » by N8isScofield » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:53 pm

Phish Tank wrote:
Greenie wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
Read on Twitter

I need Alan to STFU.


yes. And also, being distant from the organization is nothing new from players who've went through these long rehabs.

Exactly. Every player you ever hear talk about the rehab process of a long term injury talks about the isolation being one of the toughest parts of the process because they have to focus on the recovery and the rest of the team has to focus on taking care of the business of preparing and playing. It's a natural thing that happens all the time. Fretting over decisions occurring above his pay grade does absolutely nothing to help his knee heal. I would expect this sort of nonsense from Isola. Hahn should know better. There is nothing wrong with what KP said. I would much rather a guy who is mature and intelligent enough to know what his priorities should be than someone who pays pointless lip service because he's worried about media spin.
#JanisGang

Return to New York Knicks