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2017/18 Draft Thread - X Gonna Give It to You Edition! (PHO, SAC, ATL)

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Post#1601 » by whocares1 » Thu May 17, 2018 1:13 am

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N Y K wrote:i beat trae up a lot... he is pretty dynamic on the offensive end, but he is a MAJOR liability on the defensive end. That coupled with his size/measurables is just far too much risk imo. i wouldn't want to pair him with frank.


Wouldn't a good coach be able to turn him into a solid defensive player? I think his size/measurements are just fine. How big is Mike Conley again? Tony Parker? If Fizdale is the coach we hope he is, brings the things to the table we hope he does, then he should be able to work with a kid like Trae Young without a problem.

But, I don't think Trae Young will be available at 9 anyway so eh I'll just monitor the kids career from a distance


Fiz wants long guys that have a killer instinct on defense. I don’t think the FO is even thinking about drafting Trae Young. It’s a shame because he’s a heck of a talent and if he fell to 9, he should be strongly considered, but the FO is going Mikal all the way.
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Post#1603 » by newyorker4ever » Thu May 17, 2018 1:13 am

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I really don't want him here



man if he falls to #9 idk how you pass. i think hes going to become a great pro. I think hes built for this city. he wants to come here and he wont be afraid. lets do this!



I think people are worried about how much of the offense he was at Okl and all the shots he took and everything else but he's not gonna be that guy in the NBA when he's playing with other good/great players and veterans around him. He's not gonna be the player he was in college cause other players and the NBA coaches won't let him do everything he did at Okl.
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Post#1605 » by HEZI » Thu May 17, 2018 1:17 am

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N Y K wrote:i beat trae up a lot... he is pretty dynamic on the offensive end, but he is a MAJOR liability on the defensive end. That coupled with his size/measurables is just far too much risk imo. i wouldn't want to pair him with frank.


Wouldn't a good coach be able to turn him into a solid defensive player? I think his size/measurements are just fine. How big is Mike Conley again? Tony Parker? If Fizdale is the coach we hope he is, brings the things to the table we hope he does, then he should be able to work with a kid like Trae Young without a problem.

But, I don't think Trae Young will be available at 9 anyway so eh I'll just monitor the kids career from a distance

good coaching could correct that, but not only is he a bad defender, he's a lazy defender. It doesn't bode well in my opinion. Thankful that someone else will bet on improving that...


Nah, he's shown he can play really good defense if he locks in. His strategy has been to stay out of foul trouble so many times you will see him avoid picking up any fouls in the first half and then play more aggressive in the 2nd half. Basically trying to make sure he's always on the floor knowing his team desperately needing him out there. With him still only being 19 years old, if he lands in the right situation where a coach is willing to work with him and hold him accountable and demand more out of him then I have no doubt he can turn into a solid defender. It would also help if he plays on a team that actually has a rim protector unlike that Oklahoma team which basically had no bigman whatsoever.
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Post#1606 » by HEZI » Thu May 17, 2018 1:27 am

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N Y K wrote:i beat trae up a lot... he is pretty dynamic on the offensive end, but he is a MAJOR liability on the defensive end. That coupled with his size/measurables is just far too much risk imo. i wouldn't want to pair him with frank.


Wouldn't a good coach be able to turn him into a solid defensive player? I think his size/measurements are just fine. How big is Mike Conley again? Tony Parker? If Fizdale is the coach we hope he is, brings the things to the table we hope he does, then he should be able to work with a kid like Trae Young without a problem.

But, I don't think Trae Young will be available at 9 anyway so eh I'll just monitor the kids career from a distance


Fiz wants long guys that have a killer instinct on defense. I don’t think the FO is even thinking about drafting Trae Young. It’s a shame because he’s a heck of a talent and if he fell to 9, he should be strongly considered, but the FO is going Mikal all the way.


I'm not mad at them for wanting guys with killer defensive instincts, I like that they want guys who get after it on defense. We should be able to get those type of guys anywhere in the draft though, right? I mean Mikal Bridges himself was nothing but a 2nd round projected pick last year. Interesting enough I actually think a Trae Young / Mikal Bridges backcourt would be pretty sick to build around.
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Post#1607 » by K-DOT » Thu May 17, 2018 1:39 am

The issue I have with Young stylistically is that he isn't a driver

Like, he shoots a lot of 3s (and is good at making them), but if we're going to draft a guard, we need someone that can penetrate. Just look at our guard rotation, Frank isn't a driver, Burke and Tim kinda are but that isn't their main source of offense, Lee and Dotson definitely aren't, and Mudiay is but he sucks at it

And with Young on defense I have the same problem that I have with Burke. If you're gonna play one of them with Frank, it forces Frank to be more of an offball defender, when his biggest strength right now is PnR defense, which he's great at already at 19

Sexton isn't ideal from a measurables standpoint, but at least he has the athleticism to make up for it on defense, so in theory he might be able to defend most SGs, and his game is reliant on him getting to the rim, so he fits a lot better on offense
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Post#1608 » by malik959 » Thu May 17, 2018 1:50 am

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oh lord

I really don't want him here



man if he falls to #9 idk how you pass. i think hes going to become a great pro. I think hes built for this city. he wants to come here and he wont be afraid. lets do this!


I'm sorry I just don't see how he's any better than Trey, other than his passing they are the same type of player. Undersized, lack defensive knowledge (Trey is the better defender), can shoot from any where on the floor but has poor shot selection, great speed but can't seem to stay in front of their opponents due to lack of strength,best suited as a 6th man, not a system player which is my main issue. It's like you have to throw the play book away when they hit the floor because you expect them to come out and do their own thing. Horny had to reconstruct how the offense played in order to get Burke involved.

Trae maybe a great passer, but he does not conduct the offense if you know what I mean, in other words nothing he does will make players around him better. Pretty much how D.Rose was on our team.They do not know how to truly utilize their players and end up dribbling through most of the shot clock, but get highlight videos from the crazy shots they have to pull off when the clock hits 0. Yes he can get you the ball on a fast break (9 times out of ten he'll take the layup over passing), but will he find a way to get the ball to you in your hot zones. I can't stand his unnecessary heat checks shot, we already have a player that lives by it and only makes 2% of those shots. Like Burke he's better suited as an off ball guard or shooting guard, but has the size of a point guard. Do not want, Hard pass for me.

To me he's no different than LaMelo Ball. Only thing is LeMelo is taller.
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Post#1609 » by N Y K » Thu May 17, 2018 1:51 am

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Wouldn't a good coach be able to turn him into a solid defensive player? I think his size/measurements are just fine. How big is Mike Conley again? Tony Parker? If Fizdale is the coach we hope he is, brings the things to the table we hope he does, then he should be able to work with a kid like Trae Young without a problem.

But, I don't think Trae Young will be available at 9 anyway so eh I'll just monitor the kids career from a distance

good coaching could correct that, but not only is he a bad defender, he's a lazy defender. It doesn't bode well in my opinion. Thankful that someone else will bet on improving that...


Nah, he's shown he can play really good defense if he locks in. His strategy has been to stay out of foul trouble so many times you will see him avoid picking up any fouls in the first half and then play more aggressive in the 2nd half. Basically trying to make sure he's always on the floor knowing his team desperately needing him out there. With him still only being 19 years old, if he lands in the right situation where a coach is willing to work with him and hold him accountable and demand more out of him then I have no doubt he can turn into a solid defender. It would also help if he plays on a team that actually has a rim protector unlike that Oklahoma team which basically had no bigman whatsoever.

i simply did not see that last season. to me, defensively he is lazy, has poor instincts, and would be absolutely terrible to KP if he were on this team. god help that rim protector he plays with, because he couldn't keep anyone in front of him last year.
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Post#1610 » by TheGreenArrow » Thu May 17, 2018 2:02 am

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Post#1611 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu May 17, 2018 2:03 am

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I had Doncic and Bagley (not Ayton) ahead of him back in January, but now I’m not so sure. Them 2, Bamba and Mikal are my favorite players for this team, but picking between them would make my head explode.

I like bamba but he does have some flaws that make me hesitant to pick him over the three guys I listed. he does have an inconsistent motor, he easily gets pushed around, not consistent on making reads out of the post.. etc

i can see why you’re very high on him due to his potential though. but I feel like ayton can be the best center in the league if he fixes his motor, bagley can be a very unique player if he gets a consistent jumper, doncic can be a multiple all star if he fixes his defense and puts his athleticism doubts to rest.

i feel like those 3 guys have higher floors than bamba and would most likely reach their ceiling than him imo



Thing I always hated about Ayton is his heart (dunno if that’s really fixable)... he’s got a lot of talent but I wouldn’t want someone who would leave my team hanging in the playoffs. I don’t think Bamba has a motor issue tho... he’s not Bagley, but he puts in work and enjoys playing defense.

Mo is a smart dude who seems to really wanna expand his offensive game even further. I think he could be a KG/Gobert hybrid when it’s all said n done... that’s scary. I dunno if Ayton will ever even be as good as Embiid is right now tho.

Doncic and Bagley have some concerns...not many, but I really don’t have any about Bamba.

i mean i don't think ayton is a lost cause. remember he led arizona to the pac 12 championship. he played like a mad man in that tournament. so it's not like he was a no show all year long, he showed up for a lot of big games too. i was sold on ayton from that tournament tbh. he looked like the #1 pick by far. so if you can get ayton to play with that same mentality in the NBA, that's a really special player we're talking about.

bamba does have an inconsistent motor (not as bad as ayton though). it's one of the main reasons why he's not viewed as a top 3 pick, along with his skinny frame. i personally have bamba #4 on my board, so i still think he's a great player. i just don't think he is a good enough prospect to take him over ayton. but i totally understand why you have him ahead of ayton. i guess it comes down to whether you think ayton's motor is fixable or not.
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I don’t understand the concern about playing Sexton with Frankie provided they both improve their shooting.

Teams have multiple facilitators nowadays and Frank can still do his thing in the p&r often enough. They also don’t have to play every single minute together... throughout the course of the game, Fiz can structure their minutes to where one or the other is almost always in the game...have Frank with Trey a good amount too.

As far as the defensive end, we can still have Frank take on the opposing teams pg, and Sexton can guard sg’s no problem with his wingspan and strength.

I don’t see a reason why Sexton wouldn’t buy in and play within a system on this level... he won’t have to carry this team the way he did Alabama.

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Post#1614 » by knickstape4ever » Thu May 17, 2018 2:21 am

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thinking he may not last until #36, may have to move up, but it'd be well worth it. whoever drafts him will get a steal. he plays on both ends: has a nice jumper and protects the rim. only issue I see is conditioning
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Post#1615 » by HEZI » Thu May 17, 2018 2:27 am

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N Y K wrote:good coaching could correct that, but not only is he a bad defender, he's a lazy defender. It doesn't bode well in my opinion. Thankful that someone else will bet on improving that...


Nah, he's shown he can play really good defense if he locks in. His strategy has been to stay out of foul trouble so many times you will see him avoid picking up any fouls in the first half and then play more aggressive in the 2nd half. Basically trying to make sure he's always on the floor knowing his team desperately needing him out there. With him still only being 19 years old, if he lands in the right situation where a coach is willing to work with him and hold him accountable and demand more out of him then I have no doubt he can turn into a solid defender. It would also help if he plays on a team that actually has a rim protector unlike that Oklahoma team which basically had no bigman whatsoever.

i simply did not see that last season. to me, defensively he is lazy, has poor instincts, and would be absolutely terrible to KP if he were on this team. god help that rim protector he plays with, because he couldn't keep anyone in front of him last year.


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Post#1616 » by malik959 » Thu May 17, 2018 2:28 am

Here's a great defensive highlight vs Devonte Graham

Am I wrong if I feel that Graham is the better player? I've been saying that I would love to take him in the second rd.
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Post#1617 » by Lotsix » Thu May 17, 2018 2:35 am

Any shot MPJR falls to us? :(
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Post#1619 » by vallen » Thu May 17, 2018 2:44 am

Lotsix wrote:Any shot MPJR falls to us? :(



if he does theres probably a good reason why.
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Post#1620 » by TheGreenArrow » Thu May 17, 2018 2:45 am

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