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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#761 » by GEOLINK » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:08 pm

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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#762 » by GEOLINK » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:12 pm

That Noah-Wiggins trade would be horrible for us. Completely derails whatever 2019 plan Mills/Perry have been talking about.

Gonna have Hardaway, Lee, and then Wiggins huge contracts on the cap and KP is gonna want to get paid as well.
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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#764 » by fatalogic » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:19 pm

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Would you guys do this??


fuuuuukkk no. this bum’s 140 mill extension just kicks in next season.


In a heartbeat, at least Wiggins is an asset, Noah's just an albatross hanging around our necks.

I'm not sure how that happens without the Knicks giving up a pick. Wiggins is the type of guy that has all the tools but just hasn't been able to put it together, maybe he never will and that's scary. That being said if no picks are involved I'd do it.
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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#765 » by K-DOT » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:23 pm

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fuuuuukkk no. this bum’s 140 mill extension just kicks in next season.


In a heartbeat, at least Wiggins is an asset, Noah's just an albatross hanging around our necks.

I'm not sure how that happens without the Knicks giving up a pick. Wiggins is the type of guy that has all the tools but just hasn't been able to put it together, maybe he never will and that's scary. That being said if no picks are involved I'd do it.

I wouldn't

If he doesn't figure it out, we have 30 million committed to him until 2023. Noah at least expires in 2 years, and we can be in play for a max contract even with his contract next offseason

High risk, low chance of reward move
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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#766 » by fatalogic » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:30 pm

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In a heartbeat, at least Wiggins is an asset, Noah's just an albatross hanging around our necks.

I'm not sure how that happens without the Knicks giving up a pick. Wiggins is the type of guy that has all the tools but just hasn't been able to put it together, maybe he never will and that's scary. That being said if no picks are involved I'd do it.

I wouldn't

If he doesn't figure it out, we have 30 million committed to him until 2023. Noah at least expires in 2 years, and we can be in play for a max contract even with his contract next offseason

High risk, low chance of reward move

You're right I forgot about that extension. Those extension are going to be so detrimental to teams. Picking him up means more boring 8th seed playoff runs for the next 5 years. I'm hoping the Knicks don't give KP his full max extension but they probably will.
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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#767 » by K P 6 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:30 pm

GEOLINK wrote:That Noah-Wiggins trade would be horrible for us. Completely derails whatever 2019 plan Mills/Perry have been talking about.

Gonna have Hardaway, Lee, and then Wiggins huge contracts on the cap and KP is gonna want to get paid as well.

Um... Enes free’s cap space for next year if he opts in. Wiggins can actually ball and Enes prob off the cap next year. Therefore Wiggins at 30 mill not that bad we will have to give up a player that makes like 12. Lee and Noah for Wiggins is a no brainer. U can go over the cap with KP I believe. Basically Noah and Lee for example ain’t better than Wiggins. Thatmoney just sucks but he’s young.
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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#768 » by GEOLINK » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:32 pm

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GEOLINK wrote:That Noah-Wiggins trade would be horrible for us. Completely derails whatever 2019 plan Mills/Perry have been talking about.

Gonna have Hardaway, Lee, and then Wiggins huge contracts on the cap and KP is gonna want to get paid as well.

Um... Enes free’s cap space for next year if he opts in. Wiggins can actually ball and Enes prob off the cap next year. Therefore Wiggins at 30 mill not that bad we will have to give up a player that makes like 12. Lee and Noah for Wiggins is a no brainer. U can go over the cap with KP I believe. Basically Noah and Lee for example ain’t better than Wiggins. Thatmoney just sucks but he’s young.

This feels like another THJ situation.

Another huge contract because there's some untapped potential because he's young. I don't buy it. I don't want it.
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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#769 » by K-DOT » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:52 pm

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GEOLINK wrote:That Noah-Wiggins trade would be horrible for us. Completely derails whatever 2019 plan Mills/Perry have been talking about.

Gonna have Hardaway, Lee, and then Wiggins huge contracts on the cap and KP is gonna want to get paid as well.

Um... Enes free’s cap space for next year if he opts in. Wiggins can actually ball and Enes prob off the cap next year. Therefore Wiggins at 30 mill not that bad we will have to give up a player that makes like 12. Lee and Noah for Wiggins is a no brainer. U can go over the cap with KP I believe. Basically Noah and Lee for example ain’t better than Wiggins. Thatmoney just sucks but he’s young.

This feels like another THJ situation.

Another huge contract because there's some untapped potential because he's young. I don't buy it. I don't want it.

Speaking of Tim and Wiggins, here's their stats from this last year

Wig:
17.7/4.4/2 on 44/33/64 splits, 48 EFG%, 51 TS%, 13 PER

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17.5/3.9/2.7 on 42/32/82 splits, 50 EFG%, 53 TS%, 14.4 PER

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Tim+Hardaway&player_id1_select=Tim+Hardaway&y1=2018&player_id1=hardati02&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id2_select=Andrew+Wiggins&y2=2018&player_id2=wiggian01&idx=players

Pretty much the same, except Tim is slighty more efficient and averages almost 1 more assist per game

And Wiggins will cost 10 million more per season
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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#770 » by BBALLER4FR » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:55 pm

If we're swapping the 36 and the 20 count me in. Otherwise, they can rot with that stupid decision to max out a motorless Wiggins.
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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#772 » by aq_ua » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:59 am

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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#773 » by MP4LIFE » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:02 am

Wiggins is JR Smith reincarnated.

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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#774 » by fatalogic » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:27 am

Regardless of how you feel about Wiggins that's bold of the FO to ask for him in exchange for Noah. Thats like trying to trade it your totaled Toyota for an infinity.
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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#775 » by K-DOT » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:34 am

fatalogic wrote:Regardless of how you feel about Wiggins that's bold of the FO to ask for him in exchange for Noah. Thats like trying to trade it your totaled Toyota for an infinity.

If that report is true, the fact that they're "tempted" shows how bad they think his contract is that they'd trade him for the corpse of Noah

But then again, Thibs is crazy, so
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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#776 » by fatalogic » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:36 am

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fatalogic wrote:Regardless of how you feel about Wiggins that's bold of the FO to ask for him in exchange for Noah. Thats like trying to trade it your totaled Toyota for an infinity.

If that report is true, the fact that they're "tempted" shows how bad they think his contract is that they'd trade him for the corpse of Noah

But then again, Thibs is crazy, so

Not that there are many of them but that fan base would have a meltdown.
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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#777 » by Polk377 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:04 am

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Kanter definitely has the range and stroke but like I've said before him shooting too many 3s isn't what's best. What he does best is crashing offensive boards and putbacks. Once in a while is fine in certain sets but you don't want him to get 3 happy.
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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#778 » by K P 6 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:52 am

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GEOLINK wrote:That Noah-Wiggins trade would be horrible for us. Completely derails whatever 2019 plan Mills/Perry have been talking about.

Gonna have Hardaway, Lee, and then Wiggins huge contracts on the cap and KP is gonna want to get paid as well.

Um... Enes free’s cap space for next year if he opts in. Wiggins can actually ball and Enes prob off the cap next year. Therefore Wiggins at 30 mill not that bad we will have to give up a player that makes like 12. Lee and Noah for Wiggins is a no brainer. U can go over the cap with KP I believe. Basically Noah and Lee for example ain’t better than Wiggins. Thatmoney just sucks but he’s young.

This feels like another THJ situation.

Another huge contract because there's some untapped potential because he's young. I don't buy it. I don't want it.

So you rather Lee and Noah for another 2 years because of 10 million dollars. By that Time Wiggins will only have 2 years left.

Would you take Noah and Lee over Wiggins ? Cap space aside.
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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#779 » by K P 6 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:53 am

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Gotta admit, he looks comfortable from out there.

He’s opting in isnt he? lol. Well our plan is for 2019 and I doubt we sign Kanter to screw that up. Let him have his money and tryout for another team. Still won the Mel trade. Couldn’t imagine having Melo for another year.
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Re: NY Knicks off season thread - Ast Coach updates pg 12&13 

Post#780 » by Fat Kat » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:57 am

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Gotta admit, he looks comfortable from out there.

He’s opting in isnt he? lol. Well our plan is for 2019 and I doubt we sign Kanter to screw that up. Let him have his money and tryout for another team. Still won the Mel trade. Couldn’t imagine having Melo for another year.


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