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2018/2019 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.)

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Cap
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10%
Mags
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KoC
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7%
DK
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KT/FOE <--His new name sucks!
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36%
Thugger
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7%
GONYK
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7%
Remi
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10%
Moocow
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NLR
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Total votes: 42

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Re: 2018/2019 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#641 » by GONYK » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:03 pm

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ChaosHamster wrote:Rozier is decent.

But he gets heavily overrated because the team he played on - won.

And yes, he was a good contributor. But the dude shot 40% from the field in that stretch he was a starter, but guys acting like he did something incredible.

When in reality, he just filled a role on a very good team.

I would rather overpay someone like Beverly/Dragic/Lin for 1-2 years, and have our options open in a year or two to go for someone big.

I remember Rozier knocking down big shot after big shot and getting stops in the process and thus being a huge reason for that team's success with Tatum and Brown struggling in many playoff games. Simply put, he took over and won many of those games on the biggest stages.

That said, maybe our very own KP gets overrated here despite the fact that his teams don't win - at all (Am I saying I'd trade one for the other? Clearly not. But Terry has proven to be a winning player).

In the series against the Cavs, he averaged 13.6 ppg on 14 shots, with splits of .378/.255/.800

Game 7 he put up 4 points in a 2-14 night, including 0-10 from 3

That's the problem with narratives like that is people got selective memories. The facts don't add up to him being this big shot maker, clutch performer, huge reason they were good. He's a role player, at best

And then the "KP's teams don't win at all" which is stupid. I don't even know what you're arguing here, it's like you're ignoring how we went from a mediocre team with KP to one of the worst in the league without him


Rozier is much better at being on a team who is good enough to win without him
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Re: 2018/2019 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#642 » by DOT » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:04 pm

GONYK wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
basketboule wrote:I remember Rozier knocking down big shot after big shot and getting stops in the process and thus being a huge reason for that team's success with Tatum and Brown struggling in many playoff games. Simply put, he took over and won many of those games on the biggest stages.

That said, maybe our very own KP gets overrated here despite the fact that his teams don't win - at all (Am I saying I'd trade one for the other? Clearly not. But Terry has proven to be a winning player).

In the series against the Cavs, he averaged 13.6 ppg on 14 shots, with splits of .378/.255/.800

Game 7 he put up 4 points in a 2-14 night, including 0-10 from 3

That's the problem with narratives like that is people got selective memories. The facts don't add up to him being this big shot maker, clutch performer, huge reason they were good. He's a role player, at best

And then the "KP's teams don't win at all" which is stupid. I don't even know what you're arguing here, it's like you're ignoring how we went from a mediocre team with KP to one of the worst in the league without him


Rozier is much better at being on a team who is good enough to win without him

Yeah, dude is a cog in a winning team

But he's not some piece that's integral to their success, and paying him 20 mil a year is beyond ridiculous. He's their Harrison Barnes, but worse
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Re: 2018/2019 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#643 » by WargamesX » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:02 am

K-DOT wrote:
GONYK wrote:
K-DOT wrote:In the series against the Cavs, he averaged 13.6 ppg on 14 shots, with splits of .378/.255/.800

Game 7 he put up 4 points in a 2-14 night, including 0-10 from 3

That's the problem with narratives like that is people got selective memories. The facts don't add up to him being this big shot maker, clutch performer, huge reason they were good. He's a role player, at best

And then the "KP's teams don't win at all" which is stupid. I don't even know what you're arguing here, it's like you're ignoring how we went from a mediocre team with KP to one of the worst in the league without him


Rozier is much better at being on a team who is good enough to win without him

Yeah, dude is a cog in a winning team

But he's not some piece that's integral to their success, and paying him 20 mil a year is beyond ridiculous. He's their Harrison Barnes, but worse


To be fair Harrison put up 18/2/6 last season and made 24 Mil. If Rozier comes here and does say 18 pts 6 assist and 2 rebounds on a 17-18 mil contract (with decent defense) we'll all be talking trash about how nice he is. Then if they can use the rest of the cap space to get another player who puts up similar stats we'll be saying stuff like "In Pills we Trust".

Like the knicks have holes on the roster, like PG now. If Kanter leaves (which is likely cause I see him getting a bump in his contract) we'll have more holes at rebounding. Also the knicks need outside scoring, defense, their is a list that no one Supermax Star can fix. The Knicks need to be smart and spread that money around to build a team instead of grabbing headlines.
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Re: 2018/2019 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#644 » by TBri1974 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:18 am

I generally agree with the above with a few caveats:

If some of our young guys are serviceable - like Robinson, Vonleh, Burke - it could change the equation.

If KD is truly available, it could change the equation.

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Re: 2018/2019 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#645 » by dakomish23 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:26 pm

Idk why they did, but PHX cut Shaq Harrison. This kids is alright.

Our guard rotation is weak. Give it a shot.

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Re: 2018/2019 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#646 » by lloydj » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:46 pm

TJ McConnell for two Knick’s Second Round Picks.
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Re: 2018/2019 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#647 » by lloydj » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:20 pm

lloydj wrote:TJ McConnell and Jerryd Bayless for Knick's Courtney Lee and two Second Round Picks.
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Post#648 » by WigginsNation » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:48 pm

The Knicks should get on the Andrew Wiggins train. He would be a perfect fit! At this moment his value is not as high as it could be, a couple 1st rounders plus some players to make the salaries match could get it done. Him and Porzingis could be a lethal combo!
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Post#649 » by Iron Mantis » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:49 pm

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Re: Andrew Wiggins for the Knicks 

Post#650 » by GONYK » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:51 pm

Wiggins is trash
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Post#651 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:21 pm

GONYK wrote:Wiggins is trash

Yunno, I can legit say I’d rather Timmy.
At least Timmy cares.
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Re: Andrew Wiggins for the Knicks 

Post#652 » by cgf » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:08 pm

If the lotto gods reward us with a top 2 pick...do you offer that pick + Knox + Mitch + Timmy, for AD?
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Re: Andrew Wiggins for the Knicks 

Post#653 » by el13adnino » Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:43 am

cgf wrote:If the lotto gods reward us with a top 2 pick...do you offer that pick + Knox + Mitch + Timmy, for AD?

Da fuq????
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Post#654 » by KnickFan33 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:45 am

WigginsNation wrote:The Knicks should get on the Andrew Wiggins train. He would be a perfect fit! At this moment his value is not as high as it could be, a couple 1st rounders plus some players to make the salaries match could get it done. Him and Porzingis could be a lethal combo!

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Post#655 » by WigginsNation » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:29 am

KnickFan33 wrote:
WigginsNation wrote:The Knicks should get on the Andrew Wiggins train. He would be a perfect fit! At this moment his value is not as high as it could be, a couple 1st rounders plus some players to make the salaries match could get it done. Him and Porzingis could be a lethal combo!

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:lol: ....Wiggins is still very young, this is what people are forgetting. He would be a great ‘face of the franchise’ along with Porzingis for many years to come!!
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Re: 2018/2019 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#656 » by DOT » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:30 am

Don't feed the trolls
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Post#657 » by cuyankees » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:38 am

el13adnino wrote:
cgf wrote:If the lotto gods reward us with a top 2 pick...do you offer that pick + Knox + Mitch + Timmy, for AD?

Da fuq????

That's the heist of the year.
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Re: 2018/2019 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#658 » by Galloisdaman » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:41 pm

#BringBackMelo
My eyes glaze over when reading alternative stat (not advanced stat) narratives that go many paragraphs long. If you can not make your point in 2 paragraphs it may not be a great point. :D
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Re: 2018/2019 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#659 » by robillionaire » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:31 pm

Y’all might castrate me for this but why don’t we go after Ricky Rubio in free agency? We need someone who can pass the ball and make plays.
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Re: Andrew Wiggins for the Knicks 

Post#660 » by cgf » Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:33 pm

cuyankees wrote:
el13adnino wrote:
cgf wrote:If the lotto gods reward us with a top 2 pick...do you offer that pick + Knox + Mitch + Timmy, for AD?

Da fuq????

That's the heist of the year.


FWIW I was talking with a NOLA fan about this and was told that Brown's RFA status is likely to make his value to them comparable to Knox's value. So if Boston doesn't offer Tatum and our 2019 FRP beats the King's by a few spots in the lottery, we could have the high bid over Boston or LA...with a Markkannen bid from Chicago being the one that trumps a KP-less bid from us, to look out for.

Still a long time for Knox / Brown / Ingram to bolster or diminish their value before the Pels seriously consider moving him, a ton can still change for these teams wrt FA, and only the lotto gods know what'll happen with this potentially high lotto picks...but it was nice to hear that I'm not homering completely on the general value there.

It would be really bittersweet to give up basically everything we got for suffering through KP's injury...but it's AD. If you could unite the Unicorn with the Unibrow while maintaining a max cap slot; that's the start of something that could contend with GSW even if KD, Klay & Dray all stay, and we use our max slot on B-lister at best.
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