do you still have hope in hardaway jr?

Augusto61 · Post #1 » by **Augusto61** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:42 am

people act like this dude was mistake, but he has a nice jumpshot and is son of mr. hardaway. maybe next year he can breakout and be our kobe. next to our shaq, mr. porzingis. arent we underrating him? he can do everything from defense to 3pt shooting. all we need is one more breakout kid.

DaGawd · Post #2 » by **DaGawd** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:50 am

He would absolutely need to become prime Kobe for his contract to not look like a mistake.

Sark · Post #3 » by **Sark** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:53 am

He was a mistake signing then, and he is a mistake on this roster now. He has terrible shot selection, and has no redeeming qualities on the court when he's not scoring. He's a bad passer, and bad rebounder.

And being Tim Hardaway's son is not a positive. I hated that dude from his Miami Heat days. Jr can't even do the 1 thing that his father was great at - dribble.

Oh and he has a trade kicker, which makes it even harder to trade him. He is unmovable for the next 2 years, and will block us from making any big name signings (probably a moot point since we wouldn't anyway).

BBALLER4FR · Post #4 » by **BBALLER4FR** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:55 am

DaGawd wrote:He would absolutely need to become prime Kobe not be Tim Hardaway Jr. for his contract to not look like a mistake.

Fear not. I fixed that

DaGawd · Post #5 » by **DaGawd** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:03 am

Augusto61 wrote:people act like this dude was mistake, but he has a nice jumpshot and is son of mr. hardaway. maybe next year he can breakout and be our kobe. next to our shaq, mr. porzingis. arent we underrating him? he can do everything from defense to 3pt shooting. all we need is one more breakout kid.

Fat · Post #6 » by **Fat** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:02 am

He's 6th man material on a serious team and a decent starter for a team with less expectations

Dantares · Post #7 » by **Dantares** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:19 am

not really. but hopefully the salary cap goes up so when his inevitable move to 6th man comes he might be just slightly over paid instead of extremely over paid.

spree2kawhi · Post #8 » by **spree2kawhi** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:44 am

wow this thread is terrible.

Cookies4Life · Post #9 » by **Cookies4Life** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:26 am

That was one of the dumbest moves the FO has done in the past 5 years- and that's saying a lot.

How does a team speak openly about wanting to rebuild and not skip any steps in the "process" while offering this guy north of 15 million per year? His own team (ATL) supposedly wasn't going to offer anything north of 12 mil per year (around 4 yrs/48 million,) and the FO decided hey let's out bid ourselves for a mediocre player.

Same thing with NOah-- I can't imagine any team was contemplating offering him anything north of 10 million per year and we give him over 16 million a year. That one was by far and away the worst contract of the last 5 years.

I've seen him play since he was a rookie- I think this idea that Coach Bud made him a well rounded player was all hyperbolic because I see a guy that gives minimal effort defensively and offensively he's the streakiest player this team has had since JR Smith. His shot selection is horrific and he really believes he's an alpha type of scorer when in reality he's nothing more than a high volume shooting, inefficient role player who doesn't do much else.

Below average passer, below average rebounder, average shooter, poor defensive player. His game has not changed at all since departing the first time around. Just because someone is 25 doesn't mean they have room to improve nor does it mean we need to overpay for them. Id rather have seen all of his minutes spread between Frank and Dotson.

thebuzzardman · Post #10 » by **thebuzzardman** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:27 am

I have hope

Spoiler:

Triple C · Post #11 » by **Triple C** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:56 am

I think this forum hates him more than he should be hated. I mean is it a good contract? No, at times he's a dumb player who likes to shoot everytimes he has the ball? Yes, but I remember very good stretch of basketball from him, people were chaning their mind before the injury, when he was shooting well and attacking more the basket. He's not only a serviceable guy, but can be actually good, so comparing him to Noah is a complete disrespect tbh. We'll se how he does with Fizdale, probably highs and lows as usual, but I can live with that, and I can live if he's traded, he's not the cancer of the team or this borderline superstar, you could do better with his cap space, but If next year can stay more healthy and put more effort on the defensive end his contract will look better, and I repeat I think it looked already better last year.

Nazrmohamed · Post #12 » by **Nazrmohamed** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:50 am

Triple C wrote:I think this forum hates him more than he should be hated. I mean is it a good contract? No, at times he's a dumb player who likes to shoot everytimes he has the ball? Yes, but I remember very good stretch of basketball from him, people were chaning their mind before the injury, when he was shooting well and attacking more the basket. He's not only a serviceable guy, but can be actually good, so comparing him to Noah is a complete disrespect tbh. We'll se how he does with Fizdale, probably highs and lows as usual, but I can live with that, and I can live if he's traded, he's not the cancer of the team or this borderline superstar, you could do better with his cap space, but If next year can stay more healthy and put more effort on the defensive end his contract will look better, and I repeat I think it looked already better last year.

I agree. He's definitely overpaid but in my opinion by about 3mil per year. Over 4-5 years that's ALOT of money but it's not what's killing this team. I feel allot worse about Baker and Thomas's contracts than Hardaways.
People say he is useless when he's not scoring, thats fine but dudes almost air
always scoring. He had an atrocious 10 game slump coming outta injury but just about every time around that he was a consistent player. Percentages could definitely be better but I mean, you can check the box.....Tims getting you 17.

People gotta understand, if he did everything you asked he'd be a 25 plus mil player. He's getting paid mid tier money and I think he is a mix tier player.
Lastly, and maybe cuz I'm so used to bad contracts but were always paying for known talent, injured or past thier prime. I'm fine paying for rising youth. I'm not saying Tim isn't overpaid, but it's just not as aggregious to me as our twice per generation Noah.

thebuzzardman · Post #13 » by **thebuzzardman** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:35 pm

Triple C wrote:I think this forum hates him more than he should be hated. I mean is it a good contract? No, at times he's a dumb player who likes to shoot everytimes he has the ball? Yes, but I remember very good stretch of basketball from him, people were chaning their mind before the injury, when he was shooting well and attacking more the basket. He's not only a serviceable guy, but can be actually good, so comparing him to Noah is a complete disrespect tbh. We'll se how he does with Fizdale, probably highs and lows as usual, but I can live with that, and I can live if he's traded, he's not the cancer of the team or this borderline superstar, you could do better with his cap space, but If next year can stay more healthy and put more effort on the defensive end his contract will look better, and I repeat I think it looked already better last year.

THJr is fine
THJr's contract is fine

The timing of THJr's contract sucks beyond belief

Post #14 » by **Thugger HBC** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:47 pm

Never wanted him back. The only hope is he gets traded.

Post #15 » by **DOT** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:55 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Triple C wrote:I think this forum hates him more than he should be hated. I mean is it a good contract? No, at times he's a dumb player who likes to shoot everytimes he has the ball? Yes, but I remember very good stretch of basketball from him, people were chaning their mind before the injury, when he was shooting well and attacking more the basket. He's not only a serviceable guy, but can be actually good, so comparing him to Noah is a complete disrespect tbh. We'll se how he does with Fizdale, probably highs and lows as usual, but I can live with that, and I can live if he's traded, he's not the cancer of the team or this borderline superstar, you could do better with his cap space, but If next year can stay more healthy and put more effort on the defensive end his contract will look better, and I repeat I think it looked already better last year.

THJr is fine
THJr's contract is fine

The timing of THJr's contract sucks beyond belief

This, mostly

Tim being paid 17 million isn't totally off base, he's probably worth somewhere around 14 million, so we did overpay, but that's what you have to do to get an RFA

So, in a vacuum, it's okay. But since we're rebuilding, having a player in his prime on an actual contract isn't good

camillepd · Post #16 » by **camillepd** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:55 pm

Hardaway will be an all star next year!!!!

MaseInYourFace · Post #17 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:58 pm

His stats overall were pretty decent but he's never going to live up to that contract in the eyes of most fans. That's just the way it is.

Fat Kat · Post #18 » by **Fat Kat** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:03 pm

I have hope but very little confidence. Let's see what Fizzy can do with him. I do think that slotting him at the SF position is a huge mistake though. Timmy's ideal fit is a sixth man like Eric Gordon, Lou Williams and JR Smith.

Greenie · Post #19 » by **Greenie** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:07 pm

No.
When the biggest supporter you had on this board turns on you Timmy...

FlashFlood · Post #20 » by **FlashFlood** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:32 pm

He's a good player. When the Knicks signed him, I'm pretty sure he already reached close to his full potential. A limited minutes microwave type of player that needs to be put on a short leash. I dont think anyone really expected him to be more than what he was in Atlanta.

He's the kind of guy that looks good in a system, since he can come in and effect a game with quick bursts of scoring or a few hustle plays. The thing is he can't be counted on to make great decisions with the ball, and he will absolutely chuck you out of games when he's cold. He's not an all-world shooter like his father.

Short answer, no - i don't have hope in Hardaway significantly improving for the duration of his career.