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Re: 2018-2019 College/Draft Thread (part 1) 

Post#301 » by EMG518 » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:51 pm

blueNorange wrote:
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blueNorange wrote:is this a strong draft class?

because i'm convinced knox would've been a top 5 any other draft.

you just don't let 6'9" forwards that move well like him slip.



He wouldn't, when you don't have a clear set position and you can't really shoot either. He didn't fall.

who are you?

because what you just said is false.


What part is false, that he doesn't have a set position, that he can't shoot, or that he wouldn't be top 5 in any other draft class because right now he can't shoot, he doesn't have a set position and if you go look at the past few drafts, he wasn't going top 5, he didn't go top 5 in his own draft. One weak year in 2016 he may have, but definitely not all of them.

2017-Fultz,Ball,Tatum,Jackson,Fox
2016-Simmon, Ingram, Brown, Bender, Dunn (May have gone top 5 here)
2015-Towns, Russell, Okafor, Porzingis, Hezonja
2014-Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Gordon, Exum
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Re: 2018-2019 College/Draft Thread (part 1) 

Post#302 » by ItsPajama » Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:07 pm

EMG518 wrote:
blueNorange wrote:
EMG518 wrote:

He wouldn't, when you don't have a clear set position and you can't really shoot either. He didn't fall.

who are you?

because what you just said is false.


What part is false, that he doesn't have a set position, that he can't shoot, or that he wouldn't be top 5 in any other draft class because right now he can't shoot, he doesn't have a set position and if you go look at the past few drafts, he wasn't going top 5, he didn't go top 5 in his own draft. One weak year in 2016 he may have, but definitely not all of them.

2017-Fultz,Ball,Tatum,Jackson,Fox
2016-Simmon, Ingram, Brown, Bender, Dunn (May have gone top 5 here)
2015-Towns, Russell, Okafor, Porzingis, Hezonja
2014-Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Gordon, Exum

Knox cant shoot? okay
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Re: 2018-2019 College/Draft Thread (part 1) 

Post#303 » by Knickstape1214 » Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:13 pm

ItsPajama wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
blueNorange wrote:who are you?

because what you just said is false.


What part is false, that he doesn't have a set position, that he can't shoot, or that he wouldn't be top 5 in any other draft class because right now he can't shoot, he doesn't have a set position and if you go look at the past few drafts, he wasn't going top 5, he didn't go top 5 in his own draft. One weak year in 2016 he may have, but definitely not all of them.

2017-Fultz,Ball,Tatum,Jackson,Fox
2016-Simmon, Ingram, Brown, Bender, Dunn (May have gone top 5 here)
2015-Towns, Russell, Okafor, Porzingis, Hezonja
2014-Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Gordon, Exum

Knox cant shoot? okay

I’ve posted his Synergy stats many times before. He’s not a good shooter now.
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Re: 2018-2019 College/Draft Thread (part 1) 

Post#304 » by EMG518 » Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:15 pm

ItsPajama wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
blueNorange wrote:who are you?

because what you just said is false.


What part is false, that he doesn't have a set position, that he can't shoot, or that he wouldn't be top 5 in any other draft class because right now he can't shoot, he doesn't have a set position and if you go look at the past few drafts, he wasn't going top 5, he didn't go top 5 in his own draft. One weak year in 2016 he may have, but definitely not all of them.

2017-Fultz,Ball,Tatum,Jackson,Fox
2016-Simmon, Ingram, Brown, Bender, Dunn (May have gone top 5 here)
2015-Towns, Russell, Okafor, Porzingis, Hezonja
2014-Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Gordon, Exum

Knox cant shoot? okay


When you shoot 34% from the college 3 and have no midrange game, yea okay lol.
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Re: 2018-2019 College/Draft Thread (part 1) 

Post#305 » by ItsPajama » Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:16 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
ItsPajama wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
What part is false, that he doesn't have a set position, that he can't shoot, or that he wouldn't be top 5 in any other draft class because right now he can't shoot, he doesn't have a set position and if you go look at the past few drafts, he wasn't going top 5, he didn't go top 5 in his own draft. One weak year in 2016 he may have, but definitely not all of them.

2017-Fultz,Ball,Tatum,Jackson,Fox
2016-Simmon, Ingram, Brown, Bender, Dunn (May have gone top 5 here)
2015-Towns, Russell, Okafor, Porzingis, Hezonja
2014-Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Gordon, Exum

Knox cant shoot? okay

I’ve posted his Synergy stats many times before. He’s not a good shooter now.


He shot 44% which is right below the league average, how is that "cant shoot"
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Re: 2018-2019 College/Draft Thread (part 1) 

Post#306 » by EMG518 » Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:17 pm

ItsPajama wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
ItsPajama wrote:Knox cant shoot? okay

I’ve posted his Synergy stats many times before. He’s not a good shooter now.


He shot 44% which is right below the league average, how is that "cant shoot"


Those include dunks and points 2 feet away from the basket. I hope the guy learns how to shoot and develops his game but right now he is a project.
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Re: 2018-2019 College/Draft Thread (part 1) 

Post#307 » by Knickstape1214 » Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:41 pm

ItsPajama wrote:
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ItsPajama wrote:Knox cant shoot? okay

I’ve posted his Synergy stats many times before. He’s not a good shooter now.


He shot 44% which is right below the league average, how is that "cant shoot"

44th percentile on catch and shoot / 60 (or 62?) on all jumpers last year in college, 50th in catch and shoot and 50th on all jumpers in SL.

Hes not a good shooter now. He can be, but is not there yet.
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Re: 2018-2019 College/Draft Thread (part 1) 

Post#308 » by PorzinGAWD » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:03 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
ItsPajama wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:I’ve posted his Synergy stats many times before. He’s not a good shooter now.


He shot 44% which is right below the league average, how is that "cant shoot"

44th percentile on catch and shoot / 60 (or 62?) on all jumpers last year in college, 50th in catch and shoot and 50th on all jumpers in SL.

Hes not a good shooter now. He can be, but is not there yet.


Was it due to his shot selection or his form?
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Post#309 » by Knickstape1214 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:27 pm

PorzinGAWD wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
ItsPajama wrote:
He shot 44% which is right below the league average, how is that "cant shoot"

44th percentile on catch and shoot / 60 (or 62?) on all jumpers last year in college, 50th in catch and shoot and 50th on all jumpers in SL.

Hes not a good shooter now. He can be, but is not there yet.


Was it due to his shot selection or his form?


Some misses were because he’d short arm the follow through, so instead of it being smooth it was smooth until release then an abrupt stop.

His selection wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t good. Needs to keep expanding his range because teams will give him the mid-range if he’ll take that instead of threes.

Long term, I think he’ll be a good shooter. Not great, but good.
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Re: 2018-2019 College/Draft Thread (part 1) 

Post#310 » by ItsPajama » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:37 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
PorzinGAWD wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:44th percentile on catch and shoot / 60 (or 62?) on all jumpers last year in college, 50th in catch and shoot and 50th on all jumpers in SL.

Hes not a good shooter now. He can be, but is not there yet.


Was it due to his shot selection or his form?


Some misses were because he’d short arm the follow through, so instead of it being smooth it was smooth until release then an abrupt stop.

His selection wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t good. Needs to keep expanding his range because teams will give him the mid-range if he’ll take that instead of threes.

Long term, I think he’ll be a good shooter. Not great, but good.

But does that mean hes a bad shooter or CANT shoot though?
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Re: 2018-2019 College/Draft Thread (part 1) 

Post#311 » by Knickstape1214 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:52 pm

ItsPajama wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
PorzinGAWD wrote:
Was it due to his shot selection or his form?


Some misses were because he’d short arm the follow through, so instead of it being smooth it was smooth until release then an abrupt stop.

His selection wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t good. Needs to keep expanding his range because teams will give him the mid-range if he’ll take that instead of threes.

Long term, I think he’ll be a good shooter. Not great, but good.

But does that mean hes a bad shooter or CANT shoot though?


I never said he was a bad shooter, I said he is currently not a good one.
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Re: 2018-2019 College/Draft Thread (part 1) 

Post#312 » by ItsPajama » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:01 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
ItsPajama wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
Some misses were because he’d short arm the follow through, so instead of it being smooth it was smooth until release then an abrupt stop.

His selection wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t good. Needs to keep expanding his range because teams will give him the mid-range if he’ll take that instead of threes.

Long term, I think he’ll be a good shooter. Not great, but good.

But does that mean hes a bad shooter or CANT shoot though?


I never said he was a bad shooter, I said he is currently not a good one.

Yeah, im pretty sure the guy i first responded to said something along those lines
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Post#313 » by Knickstape1214 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:04 pm

ItsPajama wrote:
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ItsPajama wrote:But does that mean hes a bad shooter or CANT shoot though?


I never said he was a bad shooter, I said he is currently not a good one.

Yeah, im pretty sure the guy i first responded to said something along those lines

That wasn't me. I was just refuting the idea that he's a good shooter, when he's not yet.
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Re: 2018-2019 College/Draft Thread (part 1) 

Post#314 » by Knicksfan1992 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:14 pm

Basically the way to look at Knox's summer league performance is that he justified the position he was drafted in. remember it was somewhat of a reach for the Knicks to take him at 9 ahead of Mikal, Miles and Shai.. I think Knox showed he belonged in that tier of player... Saying he should have been top 5 based on 4 games in summer league is jumping the gun too much IMO.
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Re: 2018-2019 College/Draft Thread (part 1) 

Post#315 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:19 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
ItsPajama wrote:
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I never said he was a bad shooter, I said he is currently not a good one.

Yeah, im pretty sure the guy i first responded to said something along those lines

That wasn't me. I was just refuting the idea that he's a good shooter, when he's not yet.


I like Knox as a project, but that is what he is at the moment, a project. He is a long rangy athletic wing that has good solid form on his jumper. His jumper is inconsistent right now but all signs point to him being a solid shooter down the road.

To me the biggest positive with Knox is the noticeable improvement with his game over the last few years. A few years back I remember when Duke first started getting involved, he was known as just an athletic wing defender. His FT% was in the 60s, he rarely shot the 3 and shot in the 20s. Since his Sophopmore year, we have seen a steady improvement with his jumper and FT. I expect him to continue improving in those areas as well. I dont think he will ever be a sharpshooter, but definitely will be a guy you cant leave open from 3.
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Post#316 » by Knickstape1214 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:21 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:Basically the way to look at Knox's summer league performance is that he justified the position he was drafted in. remember it was somewhat of a reach for the Knicks to take him at 9 ahead of Mikal, Miles and Shai.. I think Knox showed he belonged in that tier of player... Saying he should have been top 5 based on 4 games in summer league is jumping the gun too much IMO.


That's fair. The spacing / athleticism definitely showed more, as did aggressiveness. The aggressiveness might mean nothing because it's still only SL, but he looked engaged basically whenever he was on the floor. Also loved how he was actually using his length. It's like he woke up one day and it just dawned on him how long his arms are.

One of the people who I spoke with had the same concerns I did about Knox and still had them, last I checked, even after SL. Some of it was alleviated/he felt better about, but not all.

I do agree on him basically justifying the draft range, (at least for the most part).
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Re: 2018-2019 College/Draft Thread (part 1) 

Post#317 » by Knicksfan1992 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:38 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:Basically the way to look at Knox's summer league performance is that he justified the position he was drafted in. remember it was somewhat of a reach for the Knicks to take him at 9 ahead of Mikal, Miles and Shai.. I think Knox showed he belonged in that tier of player... Saying he should have been top 5 based on 4 games in summer league is jumping the gun too much IMO.


That's fair. The spacing / athleticism definitely showed more, as did aggressiveness. The aggressiveness might mean nothing because it's still only SL, but he looked engaged basically whenever he was on the floor. Also loved how he was actually using his length. It's like he woke up one day and it just dawned on him how long his arms are.

One of the people who I spoke with had the same concerns I did about Knox and still had them, last I checked, even after SL. Some of it was alleviated/he felt better about, but not all.

I do agree on him basically justifying the draft range, (at least for the most part).


Seemed as though Knicks brass or someone told him to be extremely aggressive and look for your shot as much as you want and he responded well to that IMO. Still some serious concerns there as far as polish, overall feel, and finishing in the half-court setting. Jumper still a work in progress but his form when he has time is pretty perfect and balanced so that's a matter of when not if for me. I think most of the weaknesses are correctable which is exciting for us Knicks fans obviously. But his athleticism in space definitely popped for me. When he has time to load up and go up strong he can really finish hard. The issue is when he's faced with contact he doesn't handle it well really at all. Again I think that's correctable, over time, especially, with his frame at his size but it's still a major flaw that will continue to hinder his overall offensive game until it's clear that he's ironed out the issue.
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Re: 2018-2019 College/Draft Thread (part 1) 

Post#318 » by isiah_thomas » Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:31 pm

Read on Twitter
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Interested to see how it looks when the real games begin
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Re: 2018-2019 College/Draft Thread (part 1) 

Post#319 » by TheGreenArrow » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:34 pm

isiah_thomas wrote:
Read on Twitter
/video/1

Interested to see how it looks when the real games begin


Read on Twitter


Zion reallys growing on me.

Can he be a better version of draymond green??

I think so.

Frank-Knox-zion-kp-mrob i like it.
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Re: 2018-2019 College/Draft Thread (part 1) 

Post#320 » by K-DOT » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:44 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:
isiah_thomas wrote:
Read on Twitter
/video/1

Interested to see how it looks when the real games begin


Read on Twitter


Zion reallys growing on me.

Can he be a better version of draymond green??

I think so.

Frank-Knox-zion-kp-mrob i like it.

3 months from now you gonna say you never liked him
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