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[BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan'

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Re: RE: Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#41 » by dakomish23 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:15 am

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30andoverclub wrote:The Detroit Pistons did the same thing with Andre Drummond back in 2015 btw:

Andre Drummond has elected not to sign a long-term extension with the Detroit Pistons before next month's deadline in a partnership with the team to increase salary-cap space, coach and team president Stan Van Gundy said Tuesday.

Drummond was a strong candidate to sign up to a five-year, $120 million maximum contract extension by the Nov. 2 deadline. But after consulting with the team, he will delay making any commitment until next July, when he will become a restricted free agent.

The move will allow the Pistons to enter free agency with nearly $13 million in additional salary-cap space next summer than if Drummond had signed a max contract extension now. It's a mechanism that will allow the Pistons to sign other players and then use their Bird rights to sign Drummond. Had Drummond agreed to the extension now, the Pistons would have to include the new salary on their books going into free agency.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/13932244/andre-drummond-decides-not-extend-detroit-pistons

It would be great if we get a similar statement from Scott Perry later this summer.

Teams do it all the time. It just requires the trust of your star.


That’s why they implemented the 300% rule. It’s not th full contract but you take a bigger hit than past years
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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#42 » by dakomish23 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:18 am

https://hoopshype.com/player/andrew-wiggins/salary/

Idk if I trust this site specifically but it says Wiggins max kicks in next year.
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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#43 » by ChilledAlex » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:27 am

I'm fearing the scenario where KP gets lowballed and knowing what kind of diva he is, he just leaves after
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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#44 » by Fat Kat » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:36 am

Clyde_Style wrote:KP will collaborate with Pills. He wants to be a Knick now that the front office and the coaching situation is solid. With the way this draft went, there is no way KP will want to leave now. This is New York. He'll be on a solid contender. Leaving would be idiotic so he'll help the team with its rebuild if they need to coordinate their calendar to sign a deal. This is much ado about absolutely nothing. He's going nowhere unless he requests a trade and the odds of that are next to nil.

I don't want anybody handing out NTC's again though. Those are complete BS. Teams should have the option to divorce a player if things are not going well
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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#45 » by cgf » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:59 am

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cuyankees wrote:You're right, we must unload Lee and despite what many think, that isn't happening unless Knicks attach assets.


Memphis might bail us out...or some playoff team with injuries at the TDL that needs a reliable 3D wing *shrug*

Both possibilities don't have the cap space to absorb Lee...


Lee to Memphis for Green + McLemore opens a max slot up for us next summer without needing to move Noah or THJr *shrug*

Memphis might do it cause they won’t have cap space next summer anyway...but wouldn’t be paying any tax even with Lee on the books for another year...and because they have depth at the 4 while lacking on the wings. Plus they reportedly still like Lee from his time there.
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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#46 » by dakomish23 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:06 am

This is a big of a deal this is for this franchise.

We have not extended a rookie since Charlie Ward I believe.

It only took extending a person who will become one the best Knicks of all time to break this streak :lol:
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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#47 » by ChaosHamster » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:27 am

Its all about relationship.

In theory KP will definitely want his money secured as soon as possible, considering his injury history,.But obviously, for the team its better if he signs next summer.

So it will be interesting to see how they work this out.

I think the ideal scenario would be, that they come to terms that KP will not be rushed back next season, so the possibility of a another injury is reduced to a minimum. (He maybe plays 15-20 games, to just get his feel back). And KP (if he really wants to win that much :D ), helps the team by giving them a more favorable cap situation in 19/20.
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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#48 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:28 am

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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#49 » by cuyankees » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:34 am

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cuyankees wrote:
cgf wrote:
Memphis might bail us out...or some playoff team with injuries at the TDL that needs a reliable 3D wing *shrug*

Both possibilities don't have the cap space to absorb Lee...


Lee to Memphis for Green + McLemore opens a max slot up for us next summer without needing to move Noah or THJr *shrug*

Memphis might do it cause they won’t have cap space next summer anyway...but wouldn’t be paying any tax even with Lee on the books for another year...and because they have depth at the 4 while lacking on the wings. Plus they reportedly still like Lee from his time there.

@ end of 2018-19 (this coming season), they’ll have close to 25mn of salary cap space INCLUDING Parsons, they dump him like they’ve been trying to do they’ll have close to 50mn. 0 chance MEM takes on Lee for their expirings wout assets like I said.
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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#50 » by taj2133 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:42 am

non story dolan will pay kp the money and give him anything he wants.
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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#51 » by taj2133 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:47 am

taj2133 wrote:non story dolan will pay kp the money and give him anything he wants.

The person that dolan might not pay its probably would be frank nitkinia when his rookie contract is up if frank doesn't improve. I don't think dolan likes frank nitkinia and probably think he is overrated to him.
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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#52 » by cuyankees » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:48 am

dakomish23 wrote:https://hoopshype.com/player/andrew-wiggins/salary/

Idk if I trust this site specifically but it says Wiggins max kicks in next year.

You mean this year...
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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#53 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:48 am

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Clyde_Style wrote:KP will collaborate with Pills. He wants to be a Knick now that the front office and the coaching situation is solid. With the way this draft went, there is no way KP will want to leave now. This is New York. He'll be on a solid contender. Leaving would be idiotic so he'll help the team with its rebuild if they need to coordinate their calendar to sign a deal. This is much ado about absolutely nothing. He's going nowhere unless he requests a trade and the odds of that are next to nil.

I don't want anybody handing out NTC's again though. Those are complete BS. Teams should have the option to divorce a player if things are not going well
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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#54 » by knicksh20b » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:33 am

ChilledAlex wrote:I'm fearing the scenario where KP gets lowballed and knowing what kind of diva he is, he just leaves after


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uhh yah if he gets lowballed, that probably would happen. I wouldn't blame him, or any other max-worthy player, for doing that.
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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#55 » by Sark » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:37 am

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taj2133 wrote:non story dolan will pay kp the money and give him anything he wants.

The person that dolan might not pay its probably would be frank nitkinia when his rookie contract is up if frank doesn't improve. I don't think dolan likes frank nitkinia and probably think he is overrated to him.



It's too early to start thinking of Frank's next contract, but I doubt he's gonna demand a max or anything like that. We get to evaluate for the next 3 years, and if he improves, then we keep him. If he doesn't then we move on like Denver did with Mudiay.
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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#56 » by Side beard » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:21 am

Many of you make this way too complicated. KP is the star, he is the future. You offer him the max so he is there for many years. His presence, talent and personalty along with new MGMT should be enough to get big FA.
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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#57 » by spree8 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:36 am

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Jonathan starks wrote:I wouldn’t give him an extension. If he plays well coming back from the injury someone will offer him the max. Then I match if I’m comfortable will his health

don't offer him that extension and if he plays well, i guarantee he takes the QO and bails on the knicks.



Who’s the last star player to do that? There’s literally no chance that happens. Especially a player with his injury concerns... no way he risks a whole year taking the QO where something major can happen to kill his shot at a max... look at guys like Isaiah and Cousins. Anything can happen in that year.

We shouldn’t offer the extension simply for the fact that it’d burn a huge portion of our money for a max player next summer. His current injury is the perfect reason for us to wait n see this year without insulting him.
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Re: RE: Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#58 » by K-DOT » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:49 am

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ChilledAlex wrote:I'm fearing the scenario where KP gets lowballed and knowing what kind of diva he is, he just leaves after


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uhh yah if he gets lowballed, that probably would happen. I wouldn't blame him, or any other max-worthy player, for doing that.
Even if he gets lowballed by us, he's still a RFA and we can match any offer he gets

He'd need to take the QO and give up a sh*tload of money

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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#59 » by spree8 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:58 am

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magnumt wrote:
:-?

Do you not understand how the Salary Cap works my man? :D

Porzingis' extension wouldn't kick in until AFTER 2019. It has NO bearing AT ALL money wise on the 2019 Free Agency for the Knicks.

--Mags :beer:

It sure does matter, if he signs a Mac extension btwn now and end of 2018 season, it hits the books...


It boggles my mind how some of you claim to know so much about basketball and criticize so much on this board, but in actuality know diddly squat. :nonono:

ANY extension Porzingis signs, does NOT kick in until his Rookie deal ENDS, which would be at the END of the 2019-20 Season! :roll:

His new contract would activate for the 2020 Summer, NOT the end of 2018 Season.

--Mags :beer:




That’s not true bro. Read question #58 under Larry Coon’s FAQ.

”Rookie scale contract extensions:

Rookie scale contracts may be extended for up to four seasons beyond the last option season in the contract, bringing the total contract length to five seasons”


His rookie contract is 4 years:

1. 2015-16
2. 2016-17
3. 2017-18
4. 2018-19 (last option/end of rookie contract)
5. 2019-20 (max)

Basically, it would kick in starting the 2019-2020 season, not after, which would kill a huge chunk of our max money.
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Re: [BR] - Kristaps Porzingis Contract Extension Part of Knicks' 'Long-Term Plan' 

Post#60 » by Dr. Detfink » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:16 pm

ChilledAlex wrote:I'm fearing the scenario where KP gets lowballed and knowing what kind of diva he is, he just leaves after


Is he really a diva?

Or is he looking at how the Knicks poorly handled the Melo situation (in the worst way possible) and wondering, “If they did that to HIM, a future Hall of Famer how can I expect the Front Office to have my back?”

If you follow NHL for decades as I have, Europeans are not as money driven as their American counterparts. Family time and retaining the roots to your homeland is extremely important part of identity.

NO ONE should have a problem with KP’s off season and choice to rehab in Europe where he is familiar with sports doctors, trainers, etc because he played there before the draft.

Heck, Kobe had his knee done in Europe.

It’s NO DIFFERENT than NFL players who are former Miami Hurricanes and work out in Miami near the University athletic complex.

As for the post interview walk out, he was not obligated to appear. Most players blow it off. ONLY in NYC where the media has NOTHING on this kid...
It’s suddently a big deal.

Let’s look at the positives:

1. Any history of Assault?

2. Any arrests d/t alcohol or drugs?

3. Any history of going to an Escort or whore house in another country? (Looking at you, last US Olympic team)

4. Any public embarrassment or open feuds with players, coach, etc?

It’s all NO.

Let the kid be himself.

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