ImageImageImageImageImage

Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks

Moderators: moocow007, magnumt, King of Canada, Capn'O, mpharris36, NoLayupRule, Thugger HBC, Deeeez Knicks, j4remi, K-DOT, Thorn, GONYK, Jeff Van Gully, mrpoetryNmotion

User avatar
QBoro KnicksFan
Junior
Posts: 379
And1: 431
Joined: May 29, 2018
     

Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#221 » by QBoro KnicksFan » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:58 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
QBoro KnicksFan wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Dot does nothing well. He's barely a body on the floor most nights. Baker is a solid defender who can run the offense. He's a consistent jump shot away from being a solid rotation piece. If he could drive and finish better with a consistent jumper...he's a starting level player.

Dotson brings very little to the table besides effort.


Now you just making sh*t up. Baker aint runnin any offense with his super weak ass handles and non existent jumpshot, gtfoh :lol:

Dot rebounds well for his position so wrong again on that front. And while he's a streaky shooter at least he makes his shots sometimes unlike Baker he rarely makes any shot. Man what games were some of yall watchin last season :banghead:


Dude...Dotson is not even close to Baker as far as having actual impact. You're the one making **** up. Baker can and HAS run the offense. He made Rose go awol. Dotson does nothing to help this team win. He's an invisible man 90% of the time.

Rebounds well? FOH!


Wtf...Baker had nothing to do with Rose goin M.I.A stop lyin man

I dont view Baker the same way you do but dont make stuff up just to prop him up, thats weak sauce bruh
Image
cgf
RealGM
Posts: 13,566
And1: 1,781
Joined: Jul 01, 2008
Location: laser shield bitches

Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#222 » by cgf » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:41 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
cgf wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
After SSeptember 1st...we stretch his final year for 3 years. Same asc waiting until next summer.

EDIT...not that I'm saying that's what I would stretch him for. Just the timing of it doesn't matter after September 1st.


I probably phrased that poorly.

Was more getting at how I think we should just wait it out until we know what the situation next summer will be...i.e. if we have to stretch Noah to sign Kyrie then we do it, but if we can get to 1 Max with Noah on the books & no 2nd guy is interested then I'd either just let Noah expire or deal his expiring for 2-year albatross + pick; something like Noah <---> Dieng + future 1st.

Hell if KD & Kyrie are interested in teaming up, stretching Noah would leave us with too little cap space to make it happen without KD & Kyrie forfeiting ~40M between them (if both signed 4 year deals) or KP having to play on his QO...even if THJr & Lee are dumped completely...wo we might need to dump Noah's cap hit fully.

Which is why I wouldn't commit to stretching Noah until we know what's happening with those FAs & how high we're picking...as picking 3rd instead of 9th would take away almost 4M in capspace, aka almost Knox or Frank's entire cap hit.


I don't want to stretch him unless absolutely necessary either.

This 2 max deals idea only flies if KD/Kyrie want to come. Not Kyrie and Butler. Kawhi ain't coming. Not sure there's anyone else I would consider it for. It's going to cost assets to clear that much cap room. I don't even want Kyrie but...whatever.

This discussion is a fairy tale to begin with.


True, lol, but what more is the to say about our kids other than that we're all excited to see Fiz develop them. And until we see just how bad we'll be until KP gets back, we can't really even get into who we could be adding to the young core. So we might as well play with the fairy tails during this NBA dead period.

For me, the costs really affect who I'd be interested in. If we move Lee at the deadline for an expiring & can send THJr away cheaply...maybe to Cleveland, with our 2020 1st (lotto protected), for JR; or to Sacramento for Shump...then I'd be on board with Kyrie & Jimmy even though I'd prefer Kyrie alone. If I had promises from both Kyrie & Durant, then I'd add Frank or Knox to that 2020 1st, if that was what it took to clear the necessary capspace...as KD, KP & Kyrie is a big 3 that can win a ring in year 1.

A big part of it is that I feel like even if we don't make any trades or signings before next season starts; a healthy KP, year 3 Frank, sophomore Knox & Mitch, 2019 lottery pick, Burke, THJr, Lee, and Hezonja/Kanter (if they signed 1-year deals), is pretty much a lock for the playoffs in the east. So I'd rather bolster those kids, if we can do so without cutting into the young core, to help them push into that 2nd tier of eastern conference playoff teams & not just get their asses handed to them by Toronto or Boston in round 1.

And the piece that I think would most help our kids take those next steps successfully (other than a top 5 player), is a dynamic PG who would compliment Frank in the backcourt & who frank could learn a lot from, like Kyrie...or even Kemba Walker; who I know many on this board don't think as highly of as I do. That's why I'd bring in Kyrie & Jimmy if it was the only way to get Kyrie & all it cost was the 2020 1st.

...and we couldn't get Kemba in on a deal that left us with the flexibility to make a Max offer to AD or Giannis in 2021...
dogrufus wrote:Plus the win would put us at .500 and 5 straight wins, making every poster here cream in their pants.

We're Knicks fans. We never get to cream.


cgmw wrote:Basically, in conclusion: I'd like Dolan to get off my lawn.
taj2133
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,674
And1: 2,005
Joined: Jun 14, 2009

Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#223 » by taj2133 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:38 am

User avatar
Are We Ther Yet
Head Coach
Posts: 6,728
And1: 4,516
Joined: Nov 07, 2012
       

Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#224 » by Are We Ther Yet » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:48 am

taj2133 wrote:


Those beers must be flat!! Over under how many he spilled? 6 pack of Stellas? :lol:
a knick fan forum. not a "argue ad nauseam about narratives and biases you hold like blood feuds that span decades" forum, you sentient buttplug. - Marty McFly :lol:
User avatar
K P 6
RealGM
Posts: 41,946
And1: 16,503
Joined: Jun 27, 2006
Location: Getting over screens with Gusto.
Contact:
 

Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#225 » by K P 6 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:49 am

Haven’t been reading but this must be the thread we using for random topics. No way people still talking about Vonleh.
Image
Ntilikina Gang. Porzinigis Army. Mikal/KNOX MOB.
amit wrote:Frank prime will be like 10 ppg. Hes not that kind of PG and we knew it since he got drafted. Thats why scorers players around frank will be the bast for him
User avatar
HarthorneWingo
Knicks Forum Grandpa's Law
Posts: 48,525
And1: 18,380
Joined: May 16, 2005
   

Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#226 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:52 am

Image
User avatar
NoStatsGuy
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,957
And1: 541
Joined: Feb 14, 2010
Location: Germany
 

Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#227 » by NoStatsGuy » Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:12 am

get rid of noah and baker, noone needs those guys right now
im bout dat action boss
BLACKFEET 2010
General Manager
Posts: 8,040
And1: 1,995
Joined: Jun 26, 2009

Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#228 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:14 am

I’m calling it now:
Trier and Allen make this team over Dot and Baker.
BLACKFEET 2010
General Manager
Posts: 8,040
And1: 1,995
Joined: Jun 26, 2009

Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#229 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:17 am

Second biggest hands ever at the combine.
He’s nowhere near as cerebral but he kinda moves around the court like Wendell Carter.
TimRobbins
Head Coach
Posts: 6,987
And1: 1,620
Joined: Nov 15, 2014

Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#230 » by TimRobbins » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:25 am

The hopes is that one of these guys plays well enough to attach Noah/ThJr in a salary dump.
User avatar
K-DOT
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 8,150
And1: 8,947
Joined: Nov 25, 2016
         

Re: RE: Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#231 » by K-DOT » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:28 am

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:I’m calling it now:
Trier and Allen make this team over Dot and Baker.
Why would we cut someone for Trier when he's on a two way deal and we don't need a roster spot for him?

Sent from my SM-G930V using RealGM mobile app
Lakers

Monk/Wright
Kennard/Bonga
Josh Jackson/KBD
Winslow/2Pat
Noel/Gortat

Reserves: Dieng, Bonga, Malachi Richardson
BLACKFEET 2010
General Manager
Posts: 8,040
And1: 1,995
Joined: Jun 26, 2009

Re: RE: Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#232 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:24 pm

K-DOT wrote:
BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:I’m calling it now:
Trier and Allen make this team over Dot and Baker.
Why would we cut someone for Trier when he's on a two way deal and we don't need a roster spot for him?

Sent from my SM-G930V using RealGM mobile app

Because Baker’s shoulder may not be right to start the season and his roster spot may be more important to us than whatever it is he brings on the court considering our guard glut, equably if not more capable replacements waiting in the fold and the fact Ron has a no trade clause.
User avatar
K-DOT
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 8,150
And1: 8,947
Joined: Nov 25, 2016
         

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#233 » by K-DOT » Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:36 pm

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:I’m calling it now:
Trier and Allen make this team over Dot and Baker.
Why would we cut someone for Trier when he's on a two way deal and we don't need a roster spot for him?

Sent from my SM-G930V using RealGM mobile app

Because Baker’s shoulder may not be right to start the season and his roster spot may be more important to us than whatever it is he brings on the court considering our guard glut, equably if not more capable replacements waiting in the fold and the fact Ron has a no trade clause.
You're answering why we would cut Baker, and I agree, that is a valid point.

But I'm asking why we'd cut him or Dotson for Trier, when Trier doesn't need a roster spot cause he's already on a 2 way contract and we can just leave him on that

Sent from my SM-G930V using RealGM mobile app
Lakers

Monk/Wright
Kennard/Bonga
Josh Jackson/KBD
Winslow/2Pat
Noel/Gortat

Reserves: Dieng, Bonga, Malachi Richardson
Nazrmohamed
Analyst
Posts: 3,413
And1: 1,493
Joined: May 16, 2013
     

Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#234 » by Nazrmohamed » Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:46 pm

QBoro KnicksFan wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
QBoro KnicksFan wrote:

Now you just making sh*t up. Baker aint runnin any offense with his super weak ass handles and non existent jumpshot, gtfoh :lol:

Dot rebounds well for his position so wrong again on that front. And while he's a streaky shooter at least he makes his shots sometimes unlike Baker he rarely makes any shot. Man what games were some of yall watchin last season :banghead:


Dude...Dotson is not even close to Baker as far as having actual impact. You're the one making **** up. Baker can and HAS run the offense. He made Rose go awol. Dotson does nothing to help this team win. He's an invisible man 90% of the time.

Rebounds well? FOH!


Wtf...Baker had nothing to do with Rose goin M.I.A stop lyin man

I dont view Baker the same way you do but dont make stuff up just to prop him up, thats weak sauce bruh


You guys are spending ALOT of time arguing over two guys who should be the 13th and 14th man on any roster, if not playing in Europe. However I would definitely give Dotson the edge. At least you could pencil Dotson in at a position. And I get positionless basketball these days but ultimately you're talking about two hustle players, one of which can play SG and the other... who knows what Baker does.
User avatar
QBoro KnicksFan
Junior
Posts: 379
And1: 431
Joined: May 29, 2018
     

Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#235 » by QBoro KnicksFan » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:49 pm

Nazrmohamed wrote:
QBoro KnicksFan wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Dude...Dotson is not even close to Baker as far as having actual impact. You're the one making **** up. Baker can and HAS run the offense. He made Rose go awol. Dotson does nothing to help this team win. He's an invisible man 90% of the time.

Rebounds well? FOH!


Wtf...Baker had nothing to do with Rose goin M.I.A stop lyin man

I dont view Baker the same way you do but dont make stuff up just to prop him up, thats weak sauce bruh


You guys are spending ALOT of time arguing over two guys who should be the 13th and 14th man on any roster, if not playing in Europe. However I would definitely give Dotson the edge. At least you could pencil Dotson in at a position. And I get positionless basketball these days but ultimately you're talking about two hustle players, one of which can play SG and the other... who knows what Baker does.


It's July Image :lol:
Image
blanko
Rookie
Posts: 1,029
And1: 412
Joined: Mar 14, 2015

Re: RE: Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#236 » by blanko » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:52 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:i was thinking that jabari parker could be an option for us in 2 years (if he balls out in chicago). he could potentially be a MAX target for us if he comes back to his form. i wouldn't be against it


Melo 2.0. Cant shoot 3s is a ball pounder and doesnt play defense...

Sent from my LGM-V300K using Tapatalk
dakomish23
RealGM
Posts: 27,873
And1: 15,421
Joined: Sep 22, 2013
Location: Empire State
     

Re: RE: Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#237 » by dakomish23 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:43 pm

blanko wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:i was thinking that jabari parker could be an option for us in 2 years (if he balls out in chicago). he could potentially be a MAX target for us if he comes back to his form. i wouldn't be against it


Melo 2.0. Cant shoot 3s is a ball pounder and doesnt play defense...

Sent from my LGM-V300K using Tapatalk


Melo can’t shoot 3’s now?

Jabari wishes he was Melo 2.0 from when Melo was that age. If he was, he would have gotten the max.

:lol:
Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:Melo is the reason why we are in the mess we are in now. Acquiring him was the biggest mistake in knicks history.


blueNorange wrote:good thing knicks have kanter because willy looking pedestrian af
DrCoach
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,883
And1: 2,201
Joined: May 24, 2014

Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#238 » by DrCoach » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:51 pm

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:How is it Christian Wood is unsigned? I don’t think he works here with our development minutes at the big positions kinda all accounted for but he’s an NBA player for sure. He’s only what 20? 21?


23


Sent from my iPad using RealGM mobile app
DrCoach
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,883
And1: 2,201
Joined: May 24, 2014

Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#239 » by DrCoach » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:04 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
QBoro KnicksFan wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Dot does nothing well. He's barely a body on the floor most nights. Baker is a solid defender who can run the offense. He's a consistent jump shot away from being a solid rotation piece. If he could drive and finish better with a consistent jumper...he's a starting level player.

Dotson brings very little to the table besides effort.


Now you just making sh*t up. Baker aint runnin any offense with his super weak ass handles and non existent jumpshot, gtfoh :lol:

Dot rebounds well for his position so wrong again on that front. And while he's a streaky shooter at least he makes his shots sometimes unlike Baker he rarely makes any shot. Man what games were some of yall watchin last season :banghead:


Dude...Dotson is not even close to Baker as far as having actual impact. You're the one making **** up. Baker can and HAS run the offense. He made Rose go awol. Dotson does nothing to help this team win. He's an invisible man 90% of the time.

Rebounds well? FOH!


Dotson
PER 11.6. 44 games

Baker
PER 9.3 29 games

Dotson is younger and more athletic


Sent from my iPad using RealGM mobile app
User avatar
Knicksfan20
RealGM
Posts: 17,808
And1: 4,803
Joined: Aug 19, 2006
       

Re: Noah Vonleh signs with Knicks 

Post#240 » by Knicksfan20 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:05 pm

If Joakim Noah and Noah Vonleh got married , Noah’s name would be Noah Noah.
Timberwolves: 69
C: Whiteside/Oquinn/J. Allen/Zizic
PF: Ibaka/T.Young/Anunoby/TJ Leaf
SF: Porter Jr/Anunoby/T.Young
SG: Barton/Young/Anunoby/Afflalo
PG: Schroder/Barrea/Exum

Return to New York Knicks