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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#302 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 9, 2018 4:25 pm

reub wrote:So Trump won because of Russia? Does anyone here really believe that?


The 2016 election was compromised and the vote tally was altered as a result.

Some factors were pre-existing and were not specific to Russian involvement, but were the result of GOP voter strategy over at least two decades culminating in unfair advantages due to tactics like gerrymandering which is now in the process of being overturned in multiple states.

Voter suppression by GOP operatives also ended up suppressing voter rights in the tens of thousands. When an election is decided by roughly 75,000 votes, that plus gerrymandering is enough to rig an election in your favor both legally and illegal.

New factors both directly and indirectly related to the Russians most certainly added the extra margins necessary to steal the election. This should be blatantly obvious by now, but the basic outline is:

Democratic voter logs were stolen by Russian hackers. Facebook data was also hacked. Russia gave this data to Trump. This is already indisputable as multiple eyewitnesses are now on the record that Trump knew he received these stolen goods. This is a crime obviously.

That data was weaponized in multiple ways as follows:

Reports of voter registration data being hacked and manipulated (all it requires is changing one item on their address so their drivers license or personal ID no longer matches) so that when the voter shows up or their absentee ballot is sent in they are rejected and they cannot vote or their vote is not counted. This was reported in higher volumes in the specifically targeted swing states so it was precise and calculated. This is a crime.

The data was given to Kushner and Brad Parscale who ran Trump's Facebook campaigns. It is well know how that turned out. They used the stolen data to target unique and individual voters. That means exact and granular targeting of you or me by name because they had your name and know you're a registered Democrat and they pounded these voters with ads specifically meant to flip their vote to Trump in key swing states. This is well known now and indisputable. It is also a crime.

Additionally, almost two dozen state voting authorities confirmed hackers attempted to alter their voting logs.

Additionally, the software vendor who provides the programs for electronic voting has now confirmed there was a backdoor the hackers could enter using the internet and they did nothing to plug that security hole.

Additionally, in specific core urban districts in cities like Milwaukee and Detroit with heavy Democratic registrations in swing states malfunctions of many voting machines caused thousands of Democratic votes to be lost or never even voted upon. This was almost surely a hack.

Of course the Russians are responsible for swinging the election to Trump. It is obvious by now. I knew all of the above well over a year ago, but now the public record is filling up with confirmations of these incidents.

Trump lost by 3 million of the popular vote. He could have won fair and square with the electoral college regardless of losing that popular vote, but he didn't. Margins of just thousands of Democratic votes in Florida and the mid-western swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio were stolen or prevented and that gave him the slimmest of margins to collect those electoral college totals.

Finally, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio were all won by almost precisely the same margins which is statistically improbably, and that means extremely improbable, not just oh that was a random anomaly. The margins was engineered in those states too precisely and was a smoking gun that is now looking to comprise a long list of crimes.

PREDICTION: The Governor of Wisconsin will be indicted for taking money from Russia and perhaps for facilitating voter fraud in Wisconsin.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#303 » by Lord Commander » Thu Aug 9, 2018 5:02 pm

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reub wrote:So Trump won because of Russia? Does anyone here really believe that?


The 2016 election was compromised and the vote tally was altered as a result.

Some factors were pre-existing and were not specific to Russian involvement, but were the result of GOP voter strategy over at least two decades culminating in unfair advantages due to tactics like gerrymandering which is now in the process of being overturned in multiple states.

Voter suppression by GOP operatives also ended up suppressing voter rights in the tens of thousands. When an election is decided by roughly 75,000 votes, that plus gerrymandering is enough to rig an election in your favor both legally and illegal.

New factors both directly and indirectly related to the Russians most certainly added the extra margins necessary to steal the election. This should be blatantly obvious by now, but the basic outline is:

Democratic voter logs were stolen by Russian hackers. Facebook data was also hacked. Russia gave this data to Trump. This is already indisputable as multiple eyewitnesses are now on the record that Trump knew he received these stolen goods. This is a crime obviously.

That data was weaponized in multiple ways as follows:

Reports of voter registration data being hacked and manipulated (all it requires is changing one item on their address so their drivers license or personal ID no longer matches) so that when the voter shows up or their absentee ballot is sent in they are rejected and they cannot vote or their vote is not counted. This was reported in higher volumes in the specifically targeted swing states so it was precise and calculated. This is a crime.

The data was given to Kushner and Brad Parscale who ran Trump's Facebook campaigns. It is well know how that turned out. They used the stolen data to target unique and individual voters. That means exact and granular targeting of you or me by name because they had your name and know you're a registered Democrat and they pounded these voters with ads specifically meant to flip their vote to Trump in key swing states. This is well known now and indisputable. It is also a crime.

Additionally, almost two dozen state voting authorities confirmed hackers attempted to alter their voting logs.

Additionally, the software vendor who provides the programs for electronic voting has now confirmed there was a backdoor the hackers could enter using the internet and they did nothing to plug that security hole.

Additionally, in specific core urban districts in cities like Milwaukee and Detroit with heavy Democratic registrations in swing states malfunctions of many voting machines caused thousands of Democratic votes to be lost or never even voted upon. This was almost surely a hack.

Of course the Russians are responsible for swinging the election to Trump. It is obvious by now. I knew all of the above well over a year ago, but now the public record is filling up with confirmations of these incidents.

Trump lost by 3 million of the popular vote. He could have won fair and square with the electoral college regardless of losing that popular vote, but he didn't. Margins of just thousands of Democratic votes in Florida and the mid-western swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio were stolen or prevented and that gave him the slimmest of margins to collect those electoral college totals.

Finally, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio were all won by almost precisely the same margins which is statistically improbably, and that means extremely improbable, not just oh that was a random anomaly. The margins was engineered in those states too precisely and was a smoking gun that is now looking to comprise a long list of crimes.

PREDICTION: The Governor of Wisconsin will be indicted for taking money from Russia and perhaps for facilitating voter fraud in Wisconsin.



If it ever reaches that level, we probably won't need a "blue wave" in order to impeach.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#304 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 9, 2018 5:21 pm

Lord Commander wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
reub wrote:So Trump won because of Russia? Does anyone here really believe that?


The 2016 election was compromised and the vote tally was altered as a result.

Some factors were pre-existing and were not specific to Russian involvement, but were the result of GOP voter strategy over at least two decades culminating in unfair advantages due to tactics like gerrymandering which is now in the process of being overturned in multiple states.

Voter suppression by GOP operatives also ended up suppressing voter rights in the tens of thousands. When an election is decided by roughly 75,000 votes, that plus gerrymandering is enough to rig an election in your favor both legally and illegal.

New factors both directly and indirectly related to the Russians most certainly added the extra margins necessary to steal the election. This should be blatantly obvious by now, but the basic outline is:

Democratic voter logs were stolen by Russian hackers. Facebook data was also hacked. Russia gave this data to Trump. This is already indisputable as multiple eyewitnesses are now on the record that Trump knew he received these stolen goods. This is a crime obviously.

That data was weaponized in multiple ways as follows:

Reports of voter registration data being hacked and manipulated (all it requires is changing one item on their address so their drivers license or personal ID no longer matches) so that when the voter shows up or their absentee ballot is sent in they are rejected and they cannot vote or their vote is not counted. This was reported in higher volumes in the specifically targeted swing states so it was precise and calculated. This is a crime.

The data was given to Kushner and Brad Parscale who ran Trump's Facebook campaigns. It is well know how that turned out. They used the stolen data to target unique and individual voters. That means exact and granular targeting of you or me by name because they had your name and know you're a registered Democrat and they pounded these voters with ads specifically meant to flip their vote to Trump in key swing states. This is well known now and indisputable. It is also a crime.

Additionally, almost two dozen state voting authorities confirmed hackers attempted to alter their voting logs.

Additionally, the software vendor who provides the programs for electronic voting has now confirmed there was a backdoor the hackers could enter using the internet and they did nothing to plug that security hole.

Additionally, in specific core urban districts in cities like Milwaukee and Detroit with heavy Democratic registrations in swing states malfunctions of many voting machines caused thousands of Democratic votes to be lost or never even voted upon. This was almost surely a hack.

Of course the Russians are responsible for swinging the election to Trump. It is obvious by now. I knew all of the above well over a year ago, but now the public record is filling up with confirmations of these incidents.

Trump lost by 3 million of the popular vote. He could have won fair and square with the electoral college regardless of losing that popular vote, but he didn't. Margins of just thousands of Democratic votes in Florida and the mid-western swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio were stolen or prevented and that gave him the slimmest of margins to collect those electoral college totals.

Finally, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio were all won by almost precisely the same margins which is statistically improbably, and that means extremely improbable, not just oh that was a random anomaly. The margins was engineered in those states too precisely and was a smoking gun that is now looking to comprise a long list of crimes.

PREDICTION: The Governor of Wisconsin will be indicted for taking money from Russia and perhaps for facilitating voter fraud in Wisconsin.



If it ever reaches that level, we probably won't need a "blue wave" in order to impeach.


The Gov. of Wisconsin should get popped in the NRA Putin Money probe.

Maria Butina was present at his campaign launch.

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker met during his presidential bid with woman now arrested in Russian plot

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/07/16/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-met-woman-arrested-russian-plot/790136002/

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Torshin was Butina's handler

Torshin is more than just Kremlin, he is one of the biggest Russian mafia crime lords and he deals directly with Putin. He is one of his top fixers.

Russian Operative Highlights Walker’s NRA Ties
Gun lobby has given Walker $3.5 million; he’s rewarded them with pro-gun legislation.

https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2018/07/18/campaign-cash-russian-operative-highlights-walkers-nra-ties/

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Republican Gov. Scott Walker met twice in 2015 with a Russian agent posing as a gun rights activist. The woman, Maria Butina, was arrested Sunday as being part of a plot by Russia to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.

Walker, who is seeking his third four-year term as governor in November, first met Butina in April 2015 when they both attended the National Rifle Association’s (NRA) annual convention in Nashville, Tenn. In a blog post, apparently from her, she said Walker said ‘hello’ to her in Russian. She later attended the kickoff in July 2015 of his brief GOP presidential campaign.

Walker and the NRA have been cozy for years. In Wisconsin, the NRA has spent more than $4.5 million during the past 20 years on outside electioneering activities to support GOP and conservative legislative and statewide candidates. The bulk of the NRA’s electioneering spending, about $3.5 million, has been to support Walker’s 2010 general, 2012 recall, and 2014 reelection for governor.

In addition to outside electioneering activities, NRA political action committees have directly contributed $94,200 to all legislative and statewide candidates between January 1998 and December 2017. The top recipient was Walker, who received $12,500 in NRA PAC contributions.

During the past seven years, Walker and GOP legislators, who took control of state government in January 2011, have approved numerous pro-gun bills. The pro-gun laws approved by Walker and majority GOP legislators include the state’s concealed carry law; elimination of the 48-hour waiting period to buy a gun; and legal protection for people who shoot trespassers, which is often called the “castle doctrine.”


Gov. Scott Walker Political Operation Snagged $250,000 Check Mere Days After Meeting With Accused Russian Spy
‘Sure looks like Scott Walker's Non-Meeting Meant Something to Somebody’

https://urbanmilwaukee.com/pressrelease/gov-scott-walker-political-operation-snagged-250000-check-mere-days-after-meeting-with-accused-russian-spy/

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MADISON, Wis. — As Gov. Scott Walker desperately tries to downplay his meeting with accused Russian spy Maria Butina at a 2015 VIP reception, a new report discloses his political operation mere days later snagged a $250,000 donation from a billionaire who made a fortune in Russian oil.

According to a report in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

“Days after Walker’s photo was taken with Butina and Torshin, Our American Revival received $250,000 from Access Industries, a company founded by Ukrainian-born billionaire Len Blavatnik. Blavatnik, who has U.S. and U.K. citizenship, previously was part owner of a Russian oil company … Months after the Our American Revival donation, Access Industries gave $1.5 million to a super PAC supporting Walker’s presidential run.”

One Wisconsin Now Research Director Joanna Beilman-Dulin commented, “The timing of this quarter-million dollar contribution sure looks like Scott Walker’s non-meeting meant something to somebody.”

According to earlier news reports, the accused Russian spy, Maria Butina, used her NRA connections to get access to U.S. politicians, including Walker. Widely circulated photos show Butina pictured meeting with Walker at an Spring 2015 NRA event and attending the invite only kick-off of his presidential campaign in July 2015.

One Wisconsin Now previously noted how the NRA has had a 25-year relationship with Walker, starting with a $250 donation to his 1993 State Assembly campaign and totaling $3.5 million to date on behalf of his political ambitions.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#305 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 9, 2018 5:36 pm

Per the above links re: Gov. Walker, the funneling of Russian money into political PAC funds was through these dual-citizenship donors. There is a money trail of Russians connected to Putin and the Oligarchs who made these donations.
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Post#306 » by stuporman » Thu Aug 9, 2018 5:55 pm

In the end Trump's own words and the shifting explanations he gives coupled with the interactions his campaign and business dealings have with Russians are going to be what exposes him in history.

Although, ultimately it won't be the knock out blow that his critics are hoping for and his devotees will continue to believe the tweeter creep over the evidence.
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Post#307 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 9, 2018 6:30 pm

stuporman wrote:In the end Trump's own words and the shifting explanations he gives coupled with the interactions his campaign and business dealings have with Russians are going to be what exposes him in history.

Although, ultimately it won't be the knock out blow that his critics are hoping for and his devotees will continue to believe the tweeter creep over the evidence.


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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#308 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Aug 9, 2018 8:48 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:Per the above links re: Gov. Walker, the funneling of Russian money into political PAC funds was through these dual-citizenship donors. There is a money trail of Russians connected to Putin and the Oligarchs who made these donations.


Oh well ... :D

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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#309 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Aug 9, 2018 8:49 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
stuporman wrote:In the end Trump's own words and the shifting explanations he gives coupled with the interactions his campaign and business dealings have with Russians are going to be what exposes him in history.

Although, ultimately it won't be the knock out blow that his critics are hoping for and his devotees will continue to believe the tweeter creep over the evidence.


Please explain


Stupor, what does that "knockout blow" look like? I mean even Devin Nunes thinks Trump committed a crime and must be protected from Mueller.
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Post#310 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Aug 9, 2018 8:50 pm

If anyone would like to join me? :D Edit: And buy a stinkin' podcasts, ya bastids!

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Post#311 » by stuporman » Thu Aug 9, 2018 9:13 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
stuporman wrote:In the end Trump's own words and the shifting explanations he gives coupled with the interactions his campaign and business dealings have with Russians are going to be what exposes him in history.

Although, ultimately it won't be the knock out blow that his critics are hoping for and his devotees will continue to believe the tweeter creep over the evidence.


Please explain


Stupor, what does that "knockout blow" look like? I mean even Devin Nunes thinks Trump committed a crime and must be protected from Mueller.


It's probably what he pays Russian hookers extra for... :lol: .... allegedly.
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Post#312 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 9, 2018 9:16 pm

The Omarosa Tapes are on deck
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Post#313 » by stuporman » Thu Aug 9, 2018 9:20 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:The Omarosa Sex Tapes are on deck


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Post#314 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 9, 2018 9:26 pm

:wavefinger: Nah

but they are Oval Office recordings of Trump

The guy is partially senile already so catching him on tape while babbling in the WH when there are no cameras around is bound to hammer home how unstable of mind he is (maybe not for us, but especially for those who weren't ready to accept the truth that he is profoundly cognitively impaired)
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Post#315 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:53 am

Clyde_Style wrote:The Omarosa Tapes are on deck


Yeah! She's a sneaky, conniving bitch. She must've taped conversations and stolen emails/documents.


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Post#316 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:55 am

stuporman wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Please explain


Stupor, what does that "knockout blow" look like? I mean even Devin Nunes thinks Trump committed a crime and must be protected from Mueller.


It's probably what he pays Russian hookers extra for... :lol: .... allegedly.


Yeah, the "home run" would definitely be the pee tapes. Honestly, that's all I've been looking for during this entire investigation. Get me that pee tape and I'm good to go. We can shut down this witch hunt after that. :lol:
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Post#317 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:56 pm

Latest from the OP's Author John Schindler

The website version has underscores I did not replicate

Donald Trump’s Nightmare Isn’t Robert Mueller
By John R. Schindler • 08/09/18 1:00pm

http://observer.com/2018/08/vladimir-putin-can-do-much-worse-than-impeach-donald-trump/

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Judging from the unhinged tone of his tweets—which is nothing new, but still perhaps the best barometer of our 45th president’s mood on any given day—Donald Trump is worried about his future. He should be, as the Special Counsel investigation of his Russia ties inches ever-closer to the president’s inner circle. Since his first day in the Oval Office 19 months ago, our commander-in-chief has employed Twitter as his bullhorn to the public and, in an irony which Trump won’t appreciate until it’s too late, tweeting may prove to be his undoing.

Take President Trump’s recent tweet regarding the infamous June 9, 2016 meeting in Manhattan’s Trump Tower between representatives of the then-Republican presidential candidate, led by Trump’s oldest son, Don Jr., and several Russians, led by Natalya Veselnitskaya, a Moscow attorney who was there due to her Kremlin connections. That meeting has been the focus of attention by the media as well as Robert Mueller and his Special Counsel investigators. From the moment word of the secret encounter went public, Team Trump has stuck to the storyline that the meeting was innocuous, about nothing more than adoptions. The president insisted this was the case, as has Don Jr., who sold that story to the Senate Judiciary Committee last September.

This was the sort of absurd lie that the president and his entourage excel in, and it was only a matter of time before the mendacious cover exploded. Few, however, expected President Trump to set off the fuse, yet that was exactly what he did last Sunday with this: “Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics – and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!”

One flick of the thumbs blew apart more than a year’s worth of increasingly threadbare lies about the June 9, 2016 meeting which, as the president has now admitted, was an effort to obtain derogatory information on Hillary Clinton from the Kremlin. Trump’s panicked advisers have reportedly urged him to tweet no more about that meeting, but it’s too late, the grievous damage to the president has already been done—by his own feed.

Now that the president has admitted some truth, it’s time to see the Trump Tower rendezvous for what it really was. This was a secret meeting between those close to Candidate Trump and representatives of Vladimir Putin’s Kremlin. Veselnitskaya is a known Russian intelligence operative, as I reported at the beginning of this year, based on a Swiss spy case in which she was directly involved. Moreover, she admitted on camera back in April that she is “an informant” for the Kremlin, establishing that she is no mere attorney. There can be no doubt that the Trump Tower meeting, from Moscow’s viewpoint, was a clandestine intelligence operation.

Neither was Veselnitskaya the only Russian spy in the room. Attendee Rinat Akhmetshin, a naturalized American citizen and Washington, DC lobbyist for pro-Putin causes, was affiliated with Kremlin military intelligence, that is GRU, in his homeland, as he himself admits. Since President Putin has been quite clear that in his Russia “there are no ‘former’ intelligence officers,” we can state with confidence that Moscow considered the Trump Tower rendezvous to be a spy affair.

President Trump insists that this was nothing special, that “oppo” as the pols call it is traded all the time in Washington. This is true. But they do not obtain intelligence on their election opponents from hostile foreign intelligence services. That is simply not done. These are rules that everybody in Washington knows—except our president. Perhaps Candidate Trump had been dealing with shady Russians for so long that he thought there was nothing untoward about obtaining dirty secrets about Hillary Clinton from Moscow’s spy agencies. The Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission are likely to take a different view.

Nevertheless, in one tweet, President Trump shattered his mantra of “NO COLLUSION” that he yelled in so many tweets before. Whatever laws may have been broken on June 9, 2016—we can expect an eventual ruling on that from Team Mueller—by parlaying with Russian spies against the Democrats, that fateful meeting certainly represented collusion with Moscow.

Neither should we take seriously the president’s assertion that he did not know about a meeting in his own building, on a day he admits he was in that building. Leaving aside President Trump’s well-honed micromanagement and his general lack of confidence in Don Jr., it defies belief that he was in the dark. Since everything else Team Trump has stated about the meeting turned out to be a lie, why should the president’s claim of unawareness be any different?

It seems more than coincidental that, two days before that meeting, Candidate Trump boasted at a rally, “I am going to give a major speech on – probably Monday of next week – and we’re going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons. I think you’re going to find it very informative, and very, very interesting.” That reveal never happened, presumably because Veselnitskaya did not bring the desired kompromat on Hillary to New York with her. The last word here can be left with Steve Bannon, the president’s former ideologist, who deemed the June 9, 2016 event “treasonous” and “unpatriotic,” adding there was “zero chance” that Don Jr. didn’t introduce his father to Kremlin representatives that day.

It’s difficult to portray the president’s legal situation as anything but grim in the aftermath of Sunday’s confessional tweet. However, Donald Trump’s real concern should not be with Robert Mueller and his veteran investigators, but with his amigo manqué in the Kremlin. Vladimir Putin no longer bothers to conceal his disappointment with President Trump. In the aftermath of our president’s embarrassingly obsequious performance in Helsinki, following their long-awaited “one-on-one date” in the Finnish capital, Trump added fuel to the political conflagration by publicly inviting the Russian president to a follow-up summit in Washington—only to have Putin turn him down.

Putin has good reason to be dissatisfied with Trump, in whom the Kremlin invested such high hopes. Everybody mirror-images, and Putin imagined that Trump, once in office, could shift American policy more to Russia’s liking. He didn’t realize that Moscow is not Washington, and our president and his top advisers don’t make all the big decisions by themselves. As a result, U.S. policies towards Russia—on Ukraine, on Syria, on NATO, on sanctions—are unquestionably tougher now than they were under Barack Obama. Congress, the Pentagon, and other key Beltway stakeholders have blocked Trump’s repeated efforts to bring Washington into line with Moscow’s wishes.

Kremlin disappointment with the White House is showing. This week, the administration announced more sanctions on Moscow for its brazen assassination effort in March against Sergei Skripal, a GRU defector living in Britain, and his daughter. The attack left the Skripals near death for a time, and lingering effects from the Russian military-grade nerve agent last month killed an innocent British woman. Moscow’s response to new U.S. sanctions has been furious. Today, Putin’s spokesman denounced the sanctions as “absolutely unlawful,” while a top Russian diplomat at the UN castigated them as “the theater of the absurd,” adding piquantly, “Only one rule: blame everything on Russia, no matter how absurd and fake it is. Let us welcome the United Sanctions of America!”

The Kremlin’s ability to harm President Trump should not be underestimated. Given the president’s longstanding ties to dubious Russians, a matter he has treated with the greatest secrecy, there’s no doubt that Putin possesses kompromat on Trump, including some of a sordid variety, to be released as needed. If the Kremlin believes that Trump has no chance of helping Russia anymore, they will sacrifice him to create ever-greater chaos in America and the West. Keep in mind that Natalya Veselnitskaya’s bombshell interview this spring was only possible with Kremlin permission.

President Trump has more than mere kompromat to worry about here. Under Vladimir Putin, Russian intelligence has embarked on a global assassination spree of a kind not seen in the Kremlin since Stalin’s time. Indeed, the attempted hit on Skripal, employing a nerve agent in an English city without regard for civilian casualties, was more brazen even than what Stalin’s killer spies did. Not to mention that, less than three years ago, Putin’s operatives murdered in the heart of our nation’s capital, just a mile from the White House. That message was hard to miss. Robert Mueller can open the door to Donald Trump’s impeachment and prosecution. Vladimir Putin can do worse and does not need to play by any legal rules.
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Better than his "waters from the north" tweet. Simple. To the point. I give it three stars.
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