NoLayupRule wrote:Context wrote:after all of this suffering I just cant understand any knick kfan who is ok with "actually good". I have no interest mediocrity- if you have get me KD next year then Im all for it- anyone else is treadmill and a waste of cap space and financial resources....NoLayupRule wrote:forgive me for the delay- its been a long week for me...
i dont fully get your point
my point is butler and irving are way to risky and even if those guys reamin productive and healthy they dont put us in a position to beat GS.
be patient meaning what?
meaning, stop deluding ourselves by taking risks that dont put us in a position to genuinely challenge for a chip....
This same summer KP is getting maxed out
so - that means we should gamble so we dont miss a window of maxing out our cap ability- you dont compound a
current problem by adding more- that will ultimately set you back.
are you suggesting if we simply sit by and let Frank, KP and Knox develop without adding max free agents along side were actually going to get somewhere? dont forget money mitch...yes I am and regardless of what our young guys become by 2021 we will have cap room available assuming that we manage our cap properly going forward...
I dont see Frank becoming his best unless he's playing with a Kyrie
If frank needs Kyrie to become his best then I want him traded...I believe he doesnt need anythng but an opportunity and belief in his ability to become his best...
I dont see KP becoming his best unless he's playing with other all star caliber players-
great players dont need other great players to realize their greatness - they need other great player to become a great team and become champions- thers a difference...
I dont know what to expect for Knox and Robinson until they actually play but they are far from sure bet franchise players
agreed but they have the most potential that Ive seen from knick rookie outside of KP in decades...
I think a lot of people look at Phily and see only the bright side
I always saw hinkies vision from day one. what philly has become today - i saw from the very beginning...
that is a franchise who missed more than they hit. they tanked for ages and basically got three players of value out of several top 3 picks. Embed and Smimmons and Saric and perhaps covington. thats not a high % of return for all those picks
"tanked for ages"? come on nolayup...they played the process they way any rebuilding franchise should-and they were successful at it- ...
meanwhile we have 3 lottery picks on this team - not including all the cast aways we've picked up - and Patience to me sounds like expectation of stardom from them- no -not at all...its essentially taking a page out of phillies book...
personally I see KP as a star, Frank as a supporting player and Knox as a great 3rd option with the potential for some all star level play- I disagree...KP can be a franchise level player-frank has all star potential and so does knox- not to mention, knox also has
the clutch gene BUT they all have to put the work in....
IMO you need to swing with guys like Kyrie and Butler - or preferably Kawhi and Kyrie - because that gets you from potentially good to actually good
I get your points but I dont fully agree
I totally understand the issue with giving max money to kyrie - a player with major injury history and limited defense or passing - but he is the best player available to us unless Kawhi or Durant show some interest.
Butler I dont accept the injury or Thib-years scare. He's always been healthy and productive on both ends. we would be lucky to have such a player.
I personally dont see our best chance of reaching the finals and a title as sitting on young talent and hoping they develop
KP is gonna need to be kept and if we are maxing him we should be looking at spending the remaining cap that same summer to max his potential, IMO
but assume we dont and KP stays and Frank develops and Knox and Robinson look like studs.
best possible case.
Were still not getting anywhere until we develop a winning culture
the east is wide open
Boston, Phily and Toronto are the only good teams. We have the chance to become one and overtake those guys before Chi or whoever else does.
Id prefer to land Durant and Butler but if we can get Kyrie as a free agent I think we have to take the risk
Bolded is a key point that I think many people are overlooking... East became a lot more winnable after the cyborg that is Lebron left. If you have a chance to put yourself in that elite 3-4 teams in the East you have to put yourself there. It's part of the reason that I think the Raptors swung for the fences with Kawhi.