Woj Knicks plan to cut Noah - Update Pg 52: Noah Will Be Cut Next Wk

[dakomish23]

Does anybody have a subscription to the Athletic?

https://theathletic.com/475233/2018/08/16/leroux-why-the-knicks-should-not-stretch-joakim-noah-for-now/

[GONYK]

Does anybody have a subscription to the Athletic?

https://theathletic.com/475233/2018/08/16/leroux-why-the-knicks-should-not-stretch-joakim-noah-for-now/

Here is the part you want

The summer of 2019 is the primary reason why the Knicks will probably stretch Noah and there is a clear rationale behind it. They owe him $19.3 million for 2019-20, which the stretch provision can spread over three seasons, so they would turn that sum into $6,431,667 obligations for 2019-20, 2020-21 and 2021-22 to create an extra $12.8 million in 2019 cap space. If the front office is convinced they will be able to sign free agents that specific summer, adding long-term dead money to clear space makes sense unless that remaining stretched $6.4 million creates problems that would necessitate clearing the full amount. It should also be noted that the front office must wait until at least September 1st of this year to stretch Noah because they want to keep his full 2018-19 salary on the books and only spread out the final season.

The first reason the Knicks should not stretch Noah centers on that $6.4 million. It makes sense that one of the NBA’s glamour franchises would have lofty aspirations in a summer where they can have significant cap space and some of their best-case scenarios require massive flexibility. For example, at the current $109 million estimate for next season, a team would need $65.4 million in space to sign two max players with 7-9 years of experience and another $5.5 million if one of the players could make the full 35% maximum. Using the more modest $65.4 million in space, a franchise could only have $43.6 million in salary and cap holds on their books when the signings occur.

That money goes quickly for the Knicks. Starting from the core and moving out, pending restricted free agent Porzingis has a $17.1 million cap hold while rookies Kevin Knox and Mitchell Robinson will make a combined $6 million, so more than half of that $43.6 million is gone in three players. Frank Ntilikina’s third year salary cuts the available total down to $15.7 million, barely more than Courtney Lee’s final season and $2.4 million less than they owe Tim Hardaway Jr. in 2019-20. While that stretched $6.4 million may not seem like a lot, it makes it incredibly challenging for the Knicks to add in two max players without losing key pieces or sacrificing major assets to offload undesirable salary. Think of that immovable money like an obstacle in the road that may or may not affect the team’s path, depending on where the offseason takes them.

A challenging and ambitious goal like trying to sign two max players increases the value of flexibility, which is the primary reason why the front office should not stretch Noah now. They have more than a year, any time between September 1, 2018 and August 31, 2019, to stretch his final season and the timing within that window does not change the amount or structure at all. It looks like Noah’s remaining contract will stay undesirable, but having another option to bring up in negotiations could help and the league may look dramatically different at the trade deadline, much less next summer. There may be a trade partner who would prefer a contract that expires in 2020, to Hardaway Jr’s two years and $31.2 million. The Knicks will then have to find takers for at least two of Hardaway Jr., Lee and Noah. If the right free agents say yes next summer, presenting different options is useful, especially since the stretch option will still be available.

The most significant downside to keeping Noah on the team this season is losing a roster spot. Even if the team pays the center to stay at home, he still takes up one of their fifteen slots and that has consequences for the franchise. That said, the Knicks do not look like a playoff team this season. With Porzingis missing extended time they should be able to make do with fourteen players, especially if they can get some minutes from their two-way signees. Either way, doing without one roster spot is an insufficient downside for sacrificing significant flexibility ahead of one of the Knicks’ most important offseasons in decades.

It could very well turn out that keeping Noah on the roster for another eleven months ends up being for nothing and they stretch him on exactly the same terms after spending a season with one fewer available player on roster. However, the Knicks front office needs to do everything in their power to maximize the 2019 offseason and that means holding off on using the stretch provision, at least for now.

[Appleshampoo]

Can we also stretch Courtney Lee if necessary? Or are teams limited in the amount they can use this method within a certain time?

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[Deeeez Knicks]

Because we want to maximize KP's Bird Rights.

What we do with the money is a separate issue than having the money available.

Is it maximizing KP’s bird rights if they sign middling players? Ppl said that the THJ contract was fine b/c we’re not going to sign anyone of consequence anyway.

The use it or lose it method is how WAS & POR shot stuck with a lot of bad deals.

What about maximizing our flexibility in 2020 & beyond?

If maximizing KP’s bird rights in 2019 was such a priority, why spend 17 mil on THJ in 2017 to that ridiculous deal?

Perry was not making the decisions at that point...dummy mills was.

Yeah, '19 should have been the target, but Mills messed up. After Timmy, I would have cut my losses and focused on beyond '19 especially with KP's injury. His injury really reduced our odds to sign any max cats in '19. We will be bad, and probably not at the point yet of attracting free agents.

I get wanting to maximize KP's lower cap hold ($10mil less), but the thing is by doing so we are reducing Frank's lower salary and cap hold ($6.4mil) along with other rookie salaries. Noah, Lee and Timmy were all off the books by '21. Our young core would be developing. By then hopefully we are more competive. There is a great free agent class. Things were setting up nicely in '21. They still could be, but its a little money less to play with.

[dakomish23]

Can we also stretch Courtney Lee if necessary? Or are teams limited in the amount they can use this method within a certain time?

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I thought it was that the stretched amount can’t be more than 15% of your cap? Think I read in the CBAFAQ

[cgf]

Can we also stretch Courtney Lee if necessary? Or are teams limited in the amount they can use this method within a certain time?

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I thought it was that the stretched amount can’t be more than 15% of your cap? Think I read in the CBAFAQ

Correct, a team cannot have more than 15% of the cap devoted to stretched salary.

So in theory, we could stretch Lee as well, if they don't trade him, but the series of events it would take for that to be necessary is very unlikely.

[magnumt]

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[seren]

I have zero confidence the management can use that cap space to a good use.

[cuyankees]

I have zero confidence the management can use that cap space to a good use.

Kemba, Kemba, Kemba!

[nyk2017]

Quick question - if we don't get any of the top FA's next year, can we turn around and un-stretch and have his entire salary count for 2019? We can then try again for a big time FA in 2020 with more cap space. Does anyone know?

[GONYK]

Quick question - if we don't get any of the top FA's next year, can we turn around and un-stretch and have his entire salary count for 2019? We can then try again for a big time FA in 2020 with more cap space. Does anyone know?

No, we can't do that.

[WargamesX]

I have zero confidence the management can use that cap space to a good use.

Kemba, Kemba, Kemba!

I hope they go after youth with potential. Kemba ain't leading the knicks all the way.
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[seren]

We should have sat his arse and wait until next summer. Keep him until a free agent commits. You could also trade him as an expiring with an asset if you needed more cap. Now we are still under max and that doesn't even include our first round pick.

[cuyankees]

Quick question - if we don't get any of the top FA's next year, can we turn around and un-stretch and have his entire salary count for 2019? We can then try again for a big time FA in 2020 with more cap space. Does anyone know?

Yes, Knicks can...

After they hit the reset button on their Franchise mode to get a redo.

[cuyankees]

I have zero confidence the management can use that cap space to a good use.

Kemba, Kemba, Kemba!

I hope they go after youth with potential. Kemba ain't leading the knicks all the way.
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Knicks aren’t getting KD so it’s Kemba by default.

[robillionaire]

13 5 and 3. Paying him until 2022 to produce for other teams.

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[TheGreenArrow]

13 5 and 3. Paying him until 2022 to produce for other teams.

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I hate my knicks man. I really do.

[cuyankees]

Haaa, love that we stretch Noah and he’s running the floor and dishing, guarding AD and doing everything Kanter can do. Just another example that Pills are completely imbeciles and we’re destined for another decade of mediocrity.

[god shammgod]

i have no use for him or kanter

[DaGawd]

13 5 and 3. Paying him until 2022 to produce for other teams.

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over under on the amount of games before hes injured? I give it 15..