Woj Knicks plan to cut Noah - Update Pg 52: Noah Will Be Cut Next Wk

[QBoro KnicksFan]

Wouldn’t a buyout be better? If I’m. It mistaken (may deff be but let me see) cutting a player, that players salary stays on your salary cap until completion of the contract. Buyout is you buy him out of the remaining years for a lump sum this year against the cap?


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Its pretty rare to see a player get bought out with 2 years remaining on their contract

I can't recall the last time that happened.....or ever.....can anyone here cite some examples to the contrary?

Ahhh see I didn’t even take that into account. Not sure at all now. But is that how it works with a player on 1 year?


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Big money players that are over the hill and are more trouble than they are worth typically get bought out in the last yr of their deals if they haven't been moved beforehand already. Or traded and bought out by the team acquiring him ala Melo getting traded to and bought out by the Hawks, Nets trading for Howard (off topic,but I dont believe he's washed yet, can still be a solid contributor) and buying him out the next day etc

[Clyde_Style]

Why can't they just let him play for a year and then stretch?

Players Union may force the Knicks to cut ties sooner so Noah can play for another team

The players union has no control as to who a team plays.

To answer the original question it wouldn’t make a difference in the cap according to what I read.

You're saying the union can't take them to court?

[Fat Kat]

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[cuyankees]

For everyone posting about max slots and not realizing, how easy/hard it will to get a max slot

Noah 6.433333333
THJ 18.15
Lee 12.76
Frank 4.885
MR 1.559
Knox 3.74
19' 1st 4.422
19' 2nd 1.79285
KP 27
Rookie Min 0.60237
Rookie Min 0.60237
Rookie Min 0.60237
Rookie Min 0.60237
sum 83.15166333

$~25mn in space assuming KP gets his max extension before EOS.

It isn't an "or" with Noah/Lee, it's an "and".

[Oscirus]

Players Union may force the Knicks to cut ties sooner so Noah can play for another team

The players union has no control as to who a team plays.

To answer the original question it wouldn’t make a difference in the cap according to what I read.

You're saying the union can't take them to court?

For what? The Knicks are honoring his contract and he's getting all his money. Noah just needs to stfu count his money and go play for some contender

[Phish Tank]

For everyone posting about max slots, take what you will from this:

Noah 6.433333333
THJ 18.15
Lee 12.76
Frank 4.885
MR 1.559
Knox 3.74
19' 1st 4.422
19' 2nd 1.79285
KP 27
Rookie Min 0.60237
Rookie Min 0.60237
Rookie Min 0.60237
Rookie Min 0.60237
sum 83.15166333

$~25mn in space assuming KP gets his max extension before EOS.

It isn't an "or" with Noah/Lee, it's an "and".

KP's extension would kick in after we sign our max FAs. His cap hold is like $17M or so. I'd use that #.

[cuyankees]

For everyone posting about max slots, take what you will from this:

Noah 6.433333333
THJ 18.15
Lee 12.76
Frank 4.885
MR 1.559
Knox 3.74
19' 1st 4.422
19' 2nd 1.79285
KP 27
Rookie Min 0.60237
Rookie Min 0.60237
Rookie Min 0.60237
Rookie Min 0.60237
sum 83.15166333

$~25mn in space assuming KP gets his max extension before EOS.

It isn't an "or" with Noah/Lee, it's an "and".

KP's extension would kick in after we sign our max FAs. His cap hold is like $17M or so. I'd use that #.

Please review timing of Embiid n Wiggins max deals and when their salaries changed. Timing is everything...

[Fat]

so.. like would this move look completely idiotic if we dont even get our max guys or? i dont know how this stuff works

[Phish Tank]

For everyone posting about max slots, take what you will from this:

Noah 6.433333333
THJ 18.15
Lee 12.76
Frank 4.885
MR 1.559
Knox 3.74
19' 1st 4.422
19' 2nd 1.79285
KP 27
Rookie Min 0.60237
Rookie Min 0.60237
Rookie Min 0.60237
Rookie Min 0.60237
sum 83.15166333

$~25mn in space assuming KP gets his max extension before EOS.

It isn't an "or" with Noah/Lee, it's an "and".

KP's extension would kick in after we sign our max FAs. His cap hold is like $17M or so. I'd use that #.

Please review timing of Embiid n Wiggins max deals and when their salaries changed. Timing is everything...

KP ain't getting an extension until the 2019 FA hits. He's not getting one before that.

[DOT]

so.. like would this move look completely idiotic if we dont even get our max guys or? i dont know how this stuff works

Absolutely

We can't un-stretch his contract, so we're stuck with his money for another 4 years regardless of if a max FA signs or not

[Tron Carter]

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[Dantares]

Isn't there a deadline for kp's extension like at the beginning of this season? If we can't agree to a deal then his cap hold is just 17 million right?

[Juggynaut]

Paying 16 million this season and 5.3 million over the next 3 years isn't that bad.

[F N 11]

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Too fin bad we ain’t giving no first round pick

[mpharris36]

so.. like would this move look completely idiotic if we dont even get our max guys or? i dont know how this stuff works

Absolutely

We can't un-stretch his contract, so we're stuck with his money for another 4 years regardless of if a max FA signs or not

i get the feeling it has less to do with opening up a max spot next year as moving on from his negative attitude and freeing up a roster spot...maybe they just don't want him in the building anymore and it could be a players association nightmare just telling the guy to stay home.

i agree they should wait...but there seems to be other factors in this that fans aren't aware of.

[QBoro KnicksFan]

so.. like would this move look completely idiotic if we dont even get our max guys or? i dont know how this stuff works

From mgmt's perspective, this move only results in a W if its the first move towards making room for a max slot. Which means we still have to find takers for Lee + Lance and/or THJr.....if we don't then the move proves to be unnecessary and senseless. I already believe that it is but whatever.....more mins for Money Makin Mitch

[mpharris36]

Paying 16 million this season and 5.3 million over the next 3 years isn't that bad.

agreed and the knicks were never sitting out next year FA's whether we get one of the big guys or not. They will sign someone (which could be bad) I'm just being realistic about it.

[Phish Tank]

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Too fin bad we ain’t giving no first round pick

and we shouldn't listen to advice from a guy who was part of throwing away 1st round picks like halloween candy

[Spree2Houston]

Dumping lee doesn’t appear to be easy

Then who cares. We already got the max slot set.

No we don’t

Yes we do. There's countless articles on the internet (use google if u need help) that show the cap breakdown if we stretch Noah. It isn't 32 milion but it'll be close to 30 million. Before you mention Kyrie penny pinching over 2 million, just remember KD signed with the Warriors for 2-year 53 million, a shade over 25 million per year while OKC could've offered 33 million. Lebron left money on the table when he came to Miami, Lamarcus Alridge left money on the table when we went to the Spurs, and even Kawhi Leonard now. Those are the most recent examples. There's PLENTY of examples I can give. But those are stars leaving money on the table to go to the organization that they desired. It'll all depend on how KP looks next season and how our young guys develop. If they look as good as we think they can be, then Kyrie will come here. Our young core with Kyrie is Top 3 in the east. So it isn't like he's leaving money on the table for a potentially bad team.

Kyrie gave up the Super-max when he forced his way out of Cleveland as well. That's another 20-30 million. Do you really think he's going to penny pinch over 2 million dollars to go the Location where he really wants to go to ??? If you really believe that then you're crazy.

[DOT]

Then who cares. We already got the max slot set.

No we don’t

Yes we do. There's countless articles on the internet (use google if u need help) that show the cap breakdown if we stretch Noah. It isn't 32 milion but it'll be close to 30 million. Before you mention Kyrie penny pinching over 2 million, just remember KD signed with the Warriors for 2-year 53 million, a shade over 25 million per year while OKC could've offered 33 million. Lebron left money on the table when he came to Miami, Lamarcus Alridge left money on the table when we went to the Spurs, and even Kawhi Leonard now. Those are the most recent examples. There's PLENTY of examples I can give. But those are stars leaving money on the table to go to the organization that they desired. It'll all depend on how KP looks next season and how our young guys develop. If they look as good as we think they can be, then Kyrie will come here. Our young core with Kyrie is Top 3 in the east. So it isn't like he's leaving money on the table for a potentially bad team.

Kyrie gave up the Super-max when he forced his way out of Cleveland as well. That's another 20-30 million. Do you really think he's going to penny pinch over 2 million dollars to go the Location where he really wants to go to ??? If you really believe that then you're crazy.

We have 32 million if our draft pick is worse than 3

Or if we renounce Burke with everyone except KP