Mudiay: Keeper or Nah?

Fat Kat · Post #221 » by **Fat Kat** » Sun Dec 9, 2018 8:55 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:

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Does anyone know how this results of this chart squares with DPM rating?

Knickstape1214 Is usually up to date on that stat.

HarthorneWingo · Post #222 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Sun Dec 9, 2018 8:56 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:The only thing to make of those stats is that Fiz plays a sh*t ton of lineups. Most of which aren't good.

Except one, which is pretty damn good.

Nice try

Kant argue with the numberos.

HarthorneWingo · Post #223 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Sun Dec 9, 2018 8:57 pm

Fat Kat wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:

Read on Twitter

Does anyone know how this results of this chart squares with DPM rating?

Knickstape1214 Is usually up to date on that stat.

Oh right. There's got to be a way to make some sense out of these stats.

Calling on Front Office Eye.

Dantares · Post #224 » by **Dantares** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:02 pm

Man if he can play well with a floor spacing big man like kornet, I wonder what he will look like playing with KP

NoStatsGuy · Post #225 » by **NoStatsGuy** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:34 pm

i like muds trend. wasnt a big fan of his. but hes starting to grow on me

BLACKFEET 2010 · Post #226 » by **BLACKFEET 2010** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:39 pm

As long as it’s not an overpay, I think Mudiay is a keeper.

thebuzzardman · Post #227 » by **thebuzzardman** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:40 pm

Like how he's been playing, it's still a "it depends"

Depends on who the FA who is signed
Depends if they sign a FA
Depends if Frank emerges more as a PG, but that shouldn't preclude Mudiay, at a certain price
Depends on how much he asks for (see above too)
Depends on who is drafted - ie, Cam or Ja, bye bye Mudiay. Or Frank. Which leads to
Depends on who the FO likes more

Barcs · Post #228 » by **Barcs** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:58 pm

You have to keep Mudiay. He's getting better and better. Looks like he's finally hitting his stride.

robillionaire · Post #229 » by **robillionaire** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:05 pm

I’m still saying nah. I could live with him as a backup on a cheap deal

Fat Kat · Post #230 » by **Fat Kat** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:14 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Like how he's been playing, it's still a "it depends"

Depends on who the FA who is signed
Depends if they sign a FA
Depends if Frank emerges more as a PG, but that shouldn't preclude Mudiay, at a certain price
Depends on how much he asks for (see above too)
Depends on who is drafted - ie, Cam or Ja, bye bye Mudiay. Or Frank. Which leads to
Depends on who the FO likes more

Pretty much this. I want no parts of the high priced PG free agents though

HarthorneWingo · Post #231 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:19 pm

Fat Kat wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Like how he's been playing, it's still a "it depends"

Depends on who the FA who is signed
Depends if they sign a FA
Depends if Frank emerges more as a PG, but that shouldn't preclude Mudiay, at a certain price
Depends on how much he asks for (see above too)
Depends on who is drafted - ie, Cam or Ja, bye bye Mudiay. Or Frank. Which leads to
Depends on who the FO likes more

Pretty much this. I want no parts of the high priced PG free agents - like Kemba - though

I hope you don't mind my edit.

If there was any doubt that we should not sign Kemba to be our PG, I hope last night's performance put that notion to rest.

MaseInYourFace · Post #232 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:24 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Like how he's been playing, it's still a "it depends"

Depends on who the FA who is signed
Depends if they sign a FA
Depends if Frank emerges more as a PG, but that shouldn't preclude Mudiay, at a certain price
Depends on how much he asks for (see above too)
Depends on who is drafted - ie, Cam or Ja, bye bye Mudiay. Or Frank. Which leads to
Depends on who the FO likes more

Pretty much this. I want no parts of the high priced PG free agents - like Kemba - though

I hope you don't mind my edit.

If there was any doubt that we should not sign Kemba to be our PG, I hope last night's performance put that notion to rest.

Why do you say that? Not that I want kemba here, I don't. But last night notwithstanding he's a beast and clearly carrying that sad-sack team.

Fat Kat · Post #233 » by **Fat Kat** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:26 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Like how he's been playing, it's still a "it depends"

Depends on who the FA who is signed
Depends if they sign a FA
Depends if Frank emerges more as a PG, but that shouldn't preclude Mudiay, at a certain price
Depends on how much he asks for (see above too)
Depends on who is drafted - ie, Cam or Ja, bye bye Mudiay. Or Frank. Which leads to
Depends on who the FO likes more

Pretty much this. I want no parts of the high priced PG free agents - like Kemba - though

I hope you don't mind my edit.

If there was any doubt that we should not sign Kemba to be our PG, I hope last night's performance put that notion to rest.

He shoots worse for his career than Timmy :sour:

thebuzzardman · Post #234 » by **thebuzzardman** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:34 pm

Fat Kat wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Like how he's been playing, it's still a "it depends"

Depends on who the FA who is signed
Depends if they sign a FA
Depends if Frank emerges more as a PG, but that shouldn't preclude Mudiay, at a certain price
Depends on how much he asks for (see above too)
Depends on who is drafted - ie, Cam or Ja, bye bye Mudiay. Or Frank. Which leads to
Depends on who the FO likes more

Pretty much this. I want no parts of the high priced PG free agents though

It's a pipe dream, but I'd go for 3-4 years of high level playoff runs with Durant.

After he ages out, KP etc are still young enough for another run, if everything is managed correctly

HarthorneWingo · Post #235 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:36 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
Pretty much this. I want no parts of the high priced PG free agents - like Kemba - though

I hope you don't mind my edit.

If there was any doubt that we should not sign Kemba to be our PG, I hope last night's performance put that notion to rest.

Why do you say that? Not that I want kemba here, I don't. But last night notwithstanding he's a beast and clearly carrying that sad-sack team.

Because:

1. He doesn't make the players around him better.

2. He's the kind of PG that always needs the ball in his hands and is a high volume scorer.

3. He's tiny and not very good on defense.

4. I don't see him and KP meshing. KP likes playing with Frank.

5. I don't think we're far enough along in developing the young players to now sign a veteran. I'd rather wait for '20 or '21.

That's all I can think of right now.

Dr. Detfink · Post #236 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:44 pm

This is the right time to move Mudiay.

MaseInYourFace · Post #237 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:46 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
I hope you don't mind my edit.

If there was any doubt that we should not sign Kemba to be our PG, I hope last night's performance put that notion to rest.

Why do you say that? Not that I want kemba here, I don't. But last night notwithstanding he's a beast and clearly carrying that sad-sack team.

Because:

1. He doesn't make the players around him better.

2. He's the kind of PG that always needs the ball in his hands and is a high volume scorer.

3. He's tiny and not very good on defense.

4. I don't see him and KP meshing. KP likes playing with Frank.

5. I don't think we're far enough along in developing the young players to now sign a veteran. I'd rather wait for '20 or '21.

That's all I can think of right now.

Agree for the most part. Not sure about first one though. It's not a great group of players (they've drafted poorly and have made bad roster decisions) but the reason guys like Marvin Williams and Kaminsky have space to shoot is because of Kemba.

HarthorneWingo · Post #238 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:56 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:
Why do you say that? Not that I want kemba here, I don't. But last night notwithstanding he's a beast and clearly carrying that sad-sack team.

Because:

1. He doesn't make the players around him better.

2. He's the kind of PG that always needs the ball in his hands and is a high volume scorer.

3. He's tiny and not very good on defense.

4. I don't see him and KP meshing. KP likes playing with Frank.

5. I don't think we're far enough along in developing the young players to now sign a veteran. I'd rather wait for '20 or '21.

That's all I can think of right now.

Agree for the most part. Not sure about first one though. It's not a great group of players but the reason guys like Marvin Williams and Kaminsky have space to shoot is because of Kemba.

I don't watch enough of them to disagree with you there. But what has it gotten them? I looked at Marvin's stats. They seem to be pretty typical for him though, significantly, he's improved his 3 point FG shooting this season (who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks?). Is that directly attributable to Kemba's play this season? I don't know but it seems just as plausible that Marvin continued to work on his 3 point shooting and now got the hang of it.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima02.html

Frank the Tank is actually have a poorer season this year.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kaminfr01.html

MaseInYourFace · Post #239 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:16 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Because:

1. He doesn't make the players around him better.

2. He's the kind of PG that always needs the ball in his hands and is a high volume scorer.

3. He's tiny and not very good on defense.

4. I don't see him and KP meshing. KP likes playing with Frank.

5. I don't think we're far enough along in developing the young players to now sign a veteran. I'd rather wait for '20 or '21.

That's all I can think of right now.

Agree for the most part. Not sure about first one though. It's not a great group of players but the reason guys like Marvin Williams and Kaminsky have space to shoot is because of Kemba.

I don't watch enough of them to disagree with you there. But what has it gotten them? I looked at Marvin's stats. They seem to be pretty typical for him though, significantly, he's improved his 3 point FG shooting this season (who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks?). Is that directly attributable to Kemba's play this season? I don't know but it seems just as plausible that Marvin continued to work on his 3 point shooting and now got the hang of it.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima02.html

Frank the Tank is actually have a poorer season this year.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kaminfr01.html

It's on them to hit shots but the reason they even have space is because of Kemba. Imagine how much worse that team would be without Kemba.

HarthorneWingo · Post #240 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:35 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:
Agree for the most part. Not sure about first one though. It's not a great group of players but the reason guys like Marvin Williams and Kaminsky have space to shoot is because of Kemba.

I don't watch enough of them to disagree with you there. But what has it gotten them? I looked at Marvin's stats. They seem to be pretty typical for him though, significantly, he's improved his 3 point FG shooting this season (who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks?). Is that directly attributable to Kemba's play this season? I don't know but it seems just as plausible that Marvin continued to work on his 3 point shooting and now got the hang of it.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima02.html

Frank the Tank is actually have a poorer season this year.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kaminfr01.html

It's on them to hit shots but the reason they even have space is because of Kemba. Imagine how much worse that team would be without Kemba.

You think he's a good fit for our team?