PG Thread: Welcome to Tank City

[HEZI]

Right, and not at Mudiay or Burke or anyone else who saw the majority of PG time. Let's just ignore that Mudiay was averaging about 30 mpg over the last 10+ games, or more, before he got hurt. And Frank started, what, two games after that and got hurt?

Keep the Frank agenda posting going though. I mean, Mudiay got lots of time, DSJr is here, Frank's not even playing, but you're still posting about him.

My shots at Fiz have nothing to do with Frank. He's just not that good, low level of talent aside. It's possible to know the talent level is low, and Fiz sort of coaches a crap offense. Actually, and now a crap defense. Other than that soft zone BS he throws in is tankalicious, so that's appreciated.

Only one of those guys is a system player that needs to be told what plays to run each time down the floor, got drafted to be the teams PG and remember the questions Fizdale has had to answer about him? The why he doesn't trust him and stuff like that? Well the answers were obvious but he never wanted to expose Frank like that but some of these comments about DSJ reveal a lot. As if the trade to get him didn't say enough.

So, why was Fiz calling plays for Mudiay, which was obvious enough watching the games?

And whatever the trade reveals, the topic was Fiz, not Frank, but again, it's you, so most topics are Frank

The topic is DSJ and his ability to run point and do what Fizdale wants him to do. You spent most of the time here scrapping on the dude when he was in Dallas and buttering up golden boy but now the situation got interesting so lets talk about it. No we won't leave Frank out the discussion, he belongs in it, why? Because his days as a Knick are numbered. He's on the way out and its clear.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Only one of those guys is a system player that needs to be told what plays to run each time down the floor, got drafted to be the teams PG and remember the questions Fizdale has had to answer about him? The why he doesn't trust him and stuff like that? Well the answers were obvious but he never wanted to expose Frank like that but some of these comments about DSJ reveal a lot. As if the trade to get him didn't say enough.

So, why was Fiz calling plays for Mudiay, which was obvious enough watching the games?

And whatever the trade reveals, the topic was Fiz, not Frank, but again, it's you, so most topics are Frank

The topic is DSJ and his ability to run point and do what Fizdale wants him to do. You spent most of the time here scrapping on the dude when he was in Dallas and buttering up golden boy but now the situation got interesting so lets talk about it. No we won't leave Frank out the discussion, he belongs in it, why? Because his days as a Knick are numbered. He's on the way out and its clear.

Spoiler:

[DOT]

I like what I see out of DSJ

Dude's ball dominant, but he seems to be fine with running the offense and getting guys in sets, not just calling his own number (like some of our previous guards), and while his defense isn't spectacular, he gives effort and is athletic enough to make it work more often than not

Just needs to get his shot to fall

[Clyde_Style]

I like what I see out of DSJ

Dude's ball dominant, but he seems to be fine with running the offense and getting guys in sets, not just calling his own number (like some of our previous guards), and while his defense isn't spectacular, he gives effort and is athletic enough to make it work more often than not

Just needs to get his shot to fall

Also he's very strong at his size. He's not a big guy for the NBA, but he gets pretty physical. He was bouncing off bigs in the air and maintaining body control to convert at the rim which was pretty impressive.

[Clyde_Style]

Only one of those guys is a system player that needs to be told what plays to run each time down the floor, got drafted to be the teams PG and remember the questions Fizdale has had to answer about him? The why he doesn't trust him and stuff like that? Well the answers were obvious but he never wanted to expose Frank like that but some of these comments about DSJ reveal a lot. As if the trade to get him didn't say enough.

So, why was Fiz calling plays for Mudiay, which was obvious enough watching the games?

And whatever the trade reveals, the topic was Fiz, not Frank, but again, it's you, so most topics are Frank

The topic is DSJ and his ability to run point and do what Fizdale wants him to do. You spent most of the time here scrapping on the dude when he was in Dallas and buttering up golden boy but now the situation got interesting so lets talk about it. No we won't leave Frank out the discussion, he belongs in it, why? Because his days as a Knick are numbered. He's on the way out and its clear.

You are entitled to your opinion AFAIK, but your certainties are still opinions, not certainties. How about you wait until the dust clears Friday morning to see if Frank remains a Knick? He might be gone, he might not so you can ease up on those kinds of proclamations while still hating on Frank.

[dakomish23]

DSJ needs to work on his tear drop game. He’s not going to be able to get to the rack every time. Plus, if the defense knows he will try and make them, it will pull the big out and open up passing lanes, especially lobs to Mitch.

[F N 11]

DSJ has done things in 2 games that I have rarely seen from ANY of our point guards since Jeremy Lin. He finds guys period. He has a lot of room to grow. If Mudiay was allowed to shoot even tho his jump shot was not a strength then so should Jr. 8 if his 11 made field goals were in the paint.

Frank has a lot of work to do on the offensive end. In the mean time maybe getting some open shots and driving lanes open up Bc of DSJ can help him. He can focus on helping Dennis run the offense and play Defense. If we are trying to build a top Defense trading Frank is a mistake. Numbers don’t lie. I’m a Frank guy and I’m not trashing either guy. I swear people just wanna thrash 20 year olds for fun.

ALL our young guys have potential. Support them and let them develop.

[shmeakone]

His strength and body control are really impressive.

I only see him getting stronger and stronger. A prime Baron Davis comparison isn't out of the question.

I think we've got our PG of the future.

[IllmaticHandler]

Word on the street the real reason why Mitch went off last night is that he finally got a Blue Check...You heard it here first.

[DOT]

I like what I see out of DSJ

Dude's ball dominant, but he seems to be fine with running the offense and getting guys in sets, not just calling his own number (like some of our previous guards), and while his defense isn't spectacular, he gives effort and is athletic enough to make it work more often than not

Just needs to get his shot to fall

Also he's very strong at his size. He's not a big guy for the NBA, but he gets pretty physical. He was bouncing off bigs in the air and maintaining body control to convert at the rim which was pretty impressive.

He also seems to know how to use his size and athleticism, which is probably my biggest problem with Mudiay. He's a big guy with pretty good athleticism, but he never seems to be able to use it to get by guys, and when he does, he doesn't convert at the rim as much as he should, being 55% at the rim for the year with only 8 dunks

DSJ on the other hand is 60% at the rim for the year with 21 dunks (fun fact, last year DSJ had 40 dunks, which is 1 less than Mudiay's career total of 41)

[HEZI]

So, why was Fiz calling plays for Mudiay, which was obvious enough watching the games?

And whatever the trade reveals, the topic was Fiz, not Frank, but again, it's you, so most topics are Frank

The topic is DSJ and his ability to run point and do what Fizdale wants him to do. You spent most of the time here scrapping on the dude when he was in Dallas and buttering up golden boy but now the situation got interesting so lets talk about it. No we won't leave Frank out the discussion, he belongs in it, why? Because his days as a Knick are numbered. He's on the way out and its clear.

You are entitled to your opinion AFAIK, but your certainties are still opinions, not certainties. How about you wait until the dust clears Friday morning to see if Frank remains a Knick? He might be gone, he might not so you can ease up on those kinds of proclamations while still hating on Frank.

You think if he makes it past the trade deadline that he's safe? Or part of the long term plan? Look at the players after Zion, all wing players. Chances are we are taking a wing, whether its Reddish or Culver or Barrett. Guys that will only push Frank out the rotation more. Then we got free agents to target. You really see Frank fitting in with the bigger picture? He's looking like a summer asset right now

[Clyde_Style]

I like what I see out of DSJ

Dude's ball dominant, but he seems to be fine with running the offense and getting guys in sets, not just calling his own number (like some of our previous guards), and while his defense isn't spectacular, he gives effort and is athletic enough to make it work more often than not

Just needs to get his shot to fall

Also he's very strong at his size. He's not a big guy for the NBA, but he gets pretty physical. He was bouncing off bigs in the air and maintaining body control to convert at the rim which was pretty impressive.

He also seems to know how to use his size and athleticism, which is probably my biggest problem with Mudiay. He's a big guy with pretty good athleticism, but he never seems to be able to use it to get by guys, and when he does, he doesn't convert at the rim as much as he should, being 55% at the rim for the year with only 8 dunks

DSJ on the other hand is 60% at the rim for the year with 21 dunks (fun fact, last year DSJ had 40 dunks, which is 1 less than Mudiay's career total of 41)

It probably explains Mudiay's mid-paint pull-ups with the funky extension on his shot. It's almost like he developed that in response to frustrations with converting at the rim (or maybe just getting tired of hitting the floor like a sack of spuds on his drives).

[Clyde_Style]

The topic is DSJ and his ability to run point and do what Fizdale wants him to do. You spent most of the time here scrapping on the dude when he was in Dallas and buttering up golden boy but now the situation got interesting so lets talk about it. No we won't leave Frank out the discussion, he belongs in it, why? Because his days as a Knick are numbered. He's on the way out and its clear.

You are entitled to your opinion AFAIK, but your certainties are still opinions, not certainties. How about you wait until the dust clears Friday morning to see if Frank remains a Knick? He might be gone, he might not so you can ease up on those kinds of proclamations while still hating on Frank.

You think if he makes it past the trade deadline that he's safe? Or part of the long term plan? Look at the players after Zion, all wing players. Chances are we are taking a wing, whether its Reddish or Culver or Barrett. Guys that will only push Frank out the rotation more. Then we got free agents to target. You really see Frank fitting in with the bigger picture? He's looking like a summer asset right now

You heard me and understood what I meant. Like I said, damn him all you want, but at least don't try to dictate the conversation by claiming your OPINION on his outcome or your OPINION on what the FO intends is a more accurate analysis than others. You don't know what they intend for Frank so that's the part I'm suggesting you ease up on. Otherwise, bombs away

[HEZI]

You are entitled to your opinion AFAIK, but your certainties are still opinions, not certainties. How about you wait until the dust clears Friday morning to see if Frank remains a Knick? He might be gone, he might not so you can ease up on those kinds of proclamations while still hating on Frank.

You think if he makes it past the trade deadline that he's safe? Or part of the long term plan? Look at the players after Zion, all wing players. Chances are we are taking a wing, whether its Reddish or Culver or Barrett. Guys that will only push Frank out the rotation more. Then we got free agents to target. You really see Frank fitting in with the bigger picture? He's looking like a summer asset right now

You heard me and understood what I meant. Like I said, damn him all you want, but at least don't try to dictate the conversation by claiming your OPINION on his outcome or your OPINION on what the FO intends is a more accurate analysis than others. You don't know what they intend for Frank so that's the part I'm suggesting you ease up on. Otherwise, bombs away

You right its just opinion. I lost count with how many replacements we've brought in since drafting him though. Writings on the wall, no team does that to a player they are committed to. Now we got a more talented young PG whos on a cheaper long term deal than Frank but hey you right we still dont know

Spoiler:

He gone

[Juco24]

I like what I see out of DSJ

Dude's ball dominant, but he seems to be fine with running the offense and getting guys in sets, not just calling his own number (like some of our previous guards), and while his defense isn't spectacular, he gives effort and is athletic enough to make it work more often than not

Just needs to get his shot to fall

Also he's very strong at his size. He's not a big guy for the NBA, but he gets pretty physical. He was bouncing off bigs in the air and maintaining body control to convert at the rim which was pretty impressive.

Man, I loved it when he pushed Drummond!! DSJ has swag

[thebuzzardman]

The topic is DSJ and his ability to run point and do what Fizdale wants him to do. You spent most of the time here scrapping on the dude when he was in Dallas and buttering up golden boy but now the situation got interesting so lets talk about it. No we won't leave Frank out the discussion, he belongs in it, why? Because his days as a Knick are numbered. He's on the way out and its clear.

You are entitled to your opinion AFAIK, but your certainties are still opinions, not certainties. How about you wait until the dust clears Friday morning to see if Frank remains a Knick? He might be gone, he might not so you can ease up on those kinds of proclamations while still hating on Frank.

You think if he makes it past the trade deadline that he's safe? Or part of the long term plan? Look at the players after Zion, all wing players. Chances are we are taking a wing, whether its Reddish or Culver or Barrett. Guys that will only push Frank out the rotation more. Then we got free agents to target. You really see Frank fitting in with the bigger picture? He's looking like a summer asset right now

Actually I've posted several times across multiple topics that I saw him gone by the deadline, in a draft day deal, post draft, certainly if Kyrie came as a FA, high probability if Zion wasn't drafted but a SG/SF type of PG type was drafted (everybodies consensus picks 2-6), and even a scenario where Kyrie doesn't come, Zion IS drafted (less SG glut) but FO decides to retain Mudiay as backup PG and roll with Trier Dot. So, whatever the order of events are, outside the trade deadline, yeah.

[Tron Carter]

and of course every dsj performance is going to turn into a referendum on frank who isn’t even playing.

I don’t get why we need to be so eager to ship frank out without even giving him and dsj a chance to co exist. as if his nothing contract is crippling our max cap space

how about we just chill the **** out and see how schit plays out because news flash if and when we land kyrie both these fools will be either coming off the bench or in different uniforms. and only one of them NEEDS the ball in their hands to be effective.

[Juco24]

DSJ has done things in 2 games that I have rarely seen from ANY of our point guards since Jeremy Lin. He finds guys period. He has a lot of room to grow. If Mudiay was allowed to shoot even tho his jump shot was not a strength then so should Jr. 8 if his 11 made field goals were in the paint.

Frank has a lot of work to do on the offensive end. In the mean time maybe getting some open shots and driving lanes open up Bc of DSJ can help him. He can focus on helping Dennis run the offense and play Defense. If we are trying to build a top Defense trading Frank is a mistake. Numbers don’t lie. I’m a Frank guy and I’m not trashing either guy. I swear people just wanna thrash 20 year olds for fun.

ALL our young guys have potential. Support them and let them develop.

PREACH!!! Let the church say amen!

Me whishpering...: do we really want to spend a max contract on a PG?

Continuing to whishper... Hey Kev, can you bring Klay with you? (not trying to be greedy--- but...) lol

[F N 11]

DSJ has done things in 2 games that I have rarely seen from ANY of our point guards since Jeremy Lin. He finds guys period. He has a lot of room to grow. If Mudiay was allowed to shoot even tho his jump shot was not a strength then so should Jr. 8 if his 11 made field goals were in the paint.

Frank has a lot of work to do on the offensive end. In the mean time maybe getting some open shots and driving lanes open up Bc of DSJ can help him. He can focus on helping Dennis run the offense and play Defense. If we are trying to build a top Defense trading Frank is a mistake. Numbers don’t lie. I’m a Frank guy and I’m not trashing either guy. I swear people just wanna thrash 20 year olds for fun.

ALL our young guys have potential. Support them and let them develop.

PREACH!!! Let the church say amen!

Me whishpering...: do we really want to spend a max contract on a PG?

Continuing to whishper... Hey Kev, can you bring Klay with you? (not trying to be greedy--- but...) lol

DSJ has 25 and 12 with Klay last night.

[Juco24]

I forgot who I was debating against but someone said Matthews was a better shooter than THJ... well, while that may be the case - in this game I swear I thought I was having flashbacks. Please get this dude away from NY. A one-time good guard, this dude has become a chucker! Good riddance!!