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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#761 » by MaseInYourFace » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:28 pm

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NYKnickerbocker wrote:Hopefully he closer to the agent zero comp than the Jennings lol


interesting to choose arenas as the high endpoint.


Interesting yes but I do feel Arenas is slightly overlooked. Dude was a beast during his brief prime.
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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#762 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:10 pm

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interesting to choose arenas as the high endpoint.


Interesting yes but I do feel Arenas is slightly overlooked. Dude was a beast during his brief prime.


he put up the numbers. but, man was he ever the definition of empty calories.
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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#763 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:04 pm

I have legally changed his name to "Dennis Spliff, Jr." until further notice.

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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#765 » by cgmw » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:48 pm

K-DOT wrote:So I've been having some fun with a new tool I found on stats.nba.com that allows you to see stuff like Ortg, Drtg, Netrtg, other stuff, for a player when another player is on or off the court

I was doing some digging, and I saw some stuff I expected, like Tim being an absolute black hole for advanced stats, it was pretty brutal, and so was Knox but that's to be expected. Then I thought, let me see what DSJ was about, cause I was pretty sure he was better than the numbers said

I'm going through, and turns out Mitch and DJ didn't really change much which I was surprised about given how bad DJ was for us, but then I found this:

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=1628372&VsPlayerID=1628995&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star

It's DSJ's advanced stats for when Knox was on the court with him vs off (I limited the dates to post ASB to only get DSJ's play with the Knicks). DSJ had an Ortg of 100.9 and Drtg of 113.1 when Knox was on the floor with him for a Netrtg of -12.1, which is terrible. But when DSJ wasn't sharing the court with Knox?

107 Ortg, 101.1 Drtg, +5.9 Netrtg

Meaning we were 18 points per 100 possessions better with DSJ when Knox was off the court vs on the court. That's insane to me. DSJ's also 30 points better with Dot than without. Now, to be fair, this is a pretty small sample size, but even still, I think it's big enough to show a trend. Really just shows how bad Knox was last year, but I think some of us are underrating DSJ.

Also, just as a side thought, I'm really upset we didn't get to see Frank and DSJ play together. Cause both of their advanced stats were dragged down by playing most of their minutes with terrible players statistically (Knox for DSJ, Tim for Frank), both synergized really well with Dot, both pairs (DSJ/Dot and Frank/Dot) were kind of symbiotic, in both cases both were better off with the other on, worse with the other off. So, I'd be interested to see how a DSJ/Frank/Dot lineup looks statistically. Could just be small sample sizes though, so take everything I've said with a grain of salt.

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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#766 » by Knicksfan1992 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:02 pm

I feel like Dennis's obvious upside comp. is pre-injury Derrick Rose. Obviously I don't think DSJ is a future MVP but Rose probably shouldn't have won that award that year anyway. Efficiency numbers didn't love him but he was an overhwelmingly athletic force. Similar to Westbrook and Dennis in that regard. I don't think DSJ has the same level of horizontal/change of direction explosion that pre-injury Rose had, but I do think he is a little bit smarter of a player at the same stage. Hopefully Dennis can continue to avoid the big knee injuries that seem to plague those modern hyper-athletic guards... Luckily he was born with 2 ACLs but he doesn't get a re-do on the next torn ACL :lol:
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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#767 » by 2010 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:06 pm

I still think Smith Jr.'s best comp is pre-injury riddled Baron Davis.
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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#768 » by TheGreenArrow » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:09 pm

Best comp is a more athletic cp3.
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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#770 » by Nazrmohamed » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:49 pm

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interesting to choose arenas as the high endpoint.


Interesting yes but I do feel Arenas is slightly overlooked. Dude was a beast during his brief prime.


he put up the numbers. but, man was he ever the definition of empty calories.


People say that but let's face it. Those Wizards teams were never exactly the pinnacle of high level talent. Antoine Jamison sure hed talented but not in that winners way, Larry Hugh's was the teams second best player and Caron Butler. All guys I feel like you split up in the right situation and fans would say they were good players but not great players. Arenas was carrying that team and hitting a ton of clutch shots. I feel like the team was never a mature team at any point and hes not excluded. Definitely not a leader in any regard. That was really the issue but in terms of production and shots that counted, I'd stop short of saying they were empty.
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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#771 » by Nazrmohamed » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:52 pm

2010 wrote:I still think Smith Jr.'s best comp is pre-injury riddled Baron Davis.


That's really generous. In fact I don't like it. Maybe athletically but Baron was a leader for sure. Dude is a natural troop rallyer and guys play looser around him. Hell even post injury and old he was probably the second most influential architects of the 18-6 finish during Woodsons interim coaching stint
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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#772 » by melo4three » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:08 pm

2010 wrote:I still think Smith Jr.'s best comp is pre-injury riddled Baron Davis.


I think that would be his floor
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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#773 » by blueNorange » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:44 pm

i think there's more francis in dsj than davis, davis used his 220 pound body to full advantage.
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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#774 » by mpharris36 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:07 am

am I seriously seeing people compare him to HOF players or players that won MVP's...lord have mercy.

I'm excited about his development but pump the breaks fellas.
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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#775 » by 2010 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:48 am

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2010 wrote:I still think Smith Jr.'s best comp is pre-injury riddled Baron Davis.


I think that would be his floor


You're obviously either too young, or don't remember pre-injuries B-Diddy.

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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#776 » by 2010 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:51 am

blueNorange wrote:i think there's more francis in dsj than davis, davis used his 220 pound body to full advantage.


B-Diddy in his prime was only about 205–209lbs. Y'all keep thinking about the corpse of B-Diddy when he became a chucker and lost athleticism. Had to get by on post-ups, long threes, slick passing and guile.
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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#777 » by DaGawd » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:36 am

TheGreenArrow wrote:Best comp is a more athletic cp3.

Hell nah. That's the GOAT og. Dennis doesn't pass the rock nearly as masterfully as CP3.. not a knock on Dennis.. CP is/was just that damn great at playing the pg position
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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#778 » by MaseInYourFace » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:51 am

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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#779 » by TheGreenArrow » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:04 am

DaGawd wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:Best comp is a more athletic cp3.

Hell nah. That's the GOAT og. Dennis doesn't pass the rock nearly as masterfully as CP3.. not a knock on Dennis.. CP is/was just that damn great at playing the pg position


I actuallly beleive dsjrs passing ability is severely underrated.

I think he can be just as good if not better a point god as cp3.

His ceiling is that high imo.
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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread 

Post#780 » by melo4three » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:08 am

2010 wrote:
melo4three wrote:
2010 wrote:I still think Smith Jr.'s best comp is pre-injury riddled Baron Davis.


I think that would be his floor


You're obviously either too young, or don't remember pre-injuries B-Diddy.

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I do, he was nice. Nothing super special though and he was dealing with injuries his whole career from 23 on


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