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Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:07 pm
by TruthBeTold
The truth about Smith Jr. can't be revealed with practice highlights.
The truth about DSJ's improvement will start to show during preseason basketball.
My Prediction:
You will get the same DSJ from last season with improved shooting, that's all. I'm not buying any all star hype just yet.
However, I believe if Smith Jr. becomes a 80+% free throw shooter and an improved 3-pt shooter, all star selection might be a real possibility.
So Knicks fans, stay away from the DSJ practice dunk hype, unless it's being done during a NBA game.
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:17 pm
by Zenzibar
TruthBeTold wrote:The truth about Smith Jr. can't be revealed with practice highlights.
The truth about DSJ's improvement will start to show during preseason basketball.
My Prediction:
You will get the same DSJ from last season with improving shooting, that's all. I'm not buying any all star hype just yet.
However, I believe if Smith Jr. becomes a 80+% free throw shooter and an improve 3 pts shooter, all star selection might be a real possibility.
So Knicks fans, stay away from the DSJ practice dunk hype, unless it's being done during a NBA game.
True.
Also DSJ will have to outplay Frank in camp and scoring on Frankie Noodles will be a difficult task. To me Frank is going for that starting point guard spot and nothing less.
So DSJ will have to be extra ready.
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:38 pm
by bearadonisdna
HarthorneWingo wrote:bearadonisdna wrote:Denny smith looks like a beast.
From that gym video? That ain't FIBA my brother. It's just some silly half-assed pickup game.
Lol I know but he appears to be finishing strong and looks comfortable from range.
The dude had some games where he was stroking it from deep so the more comfortable he gets the better.
He won me over this season with his work ethic. At the very least I feel he can be 1 of the knicks top guards. Either the 1 or 2, if he doesn’t clamp a starting job, he can still be a cog in the backcourt because it isn’t exactly a marquee lineup minus RJ.
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:46 pm
by TheGreenArrow
man I truly believe him and randle can lead us to the promise land.
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:49 pm
by omerome
TruthBeTold wrote:The truth about Smith Jr. can't be revealed with practice highlights.
The truth about DSJ's improvement will start to show during preseason basketball.
My Prediction:
You will get the same DSJ from last season with improving shooting, that's all. I'm not buying any all star hype just yet.
However, I believe if Smith Jr. becomes a 80+% free throw shooter and an improve 3-pt shooter, all star selection might be a real possibility.
So Knicks fans, stay away from the DSJ practice dunk hype, unless it's being done during a NBA game.
If DSJ just came back as the same player with improved shooting, he will be a very good player. And one I am excited to watch next season.
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:13 am
by Jalen Bluntson
Zenzibar wrote:TruthBeTold wrote:The truth about Smith Jr. can't be revealed with practice highlights.
The truth about DSJ's improvement will start to show during preseason basketball.
My Prediction:
You will get the same DSJ from last season with improving shooting, that's all. I'm not buying any all star hype just yet.
However, I believe if Smith Jr. becomes a 80+% free throw shooter and an improve 3 pts shooter, all star selection might be a real possibility.
So Knicks fans, stay away from the DSJ practice dunk hype, unless it's being done during a NBA game.
True.
Also DSJ will have to outplay Frank in camp and scoring on Frankie Noodles will be a difficult task. To me Frank is going for that starting point guard spot and nothing less.
So DSJ will have to be extra ready.
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:55 am
by HarthorneWingo
bearadonisdna wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:bearadonisdna wrote:Denny smith looks like a beast.
From that gym video? That ain't FIBA my brother. It's just some silly half-assed pickup game.
Lol I know but he appears to be finishing strong and looks comfortable from range.
The dude had some games where he was stroking it from deep so the more comfortable he gets the better.
He won me over this season with his work ethic. At the very least I feel he can be 1 of the knicks top guards. Either the 1 or 2, if he doesn’t clamp a starting job, he can still be a cog in the backcourt because it isn’t exactly a marquee lineup minus RJ.
NOBODY'S GUARDING HIM!!!!!! 
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:43 pm
by malik959
Are We Ther Yet wrote:Zenzibar wrote:TruthBeTold wrote:The truth about Smith Jr. can't be revealed with practice highlights.
The truth about DSJ's improvement will start to show during preseason basketball.
My Prediction:
You will get the same DSJ from last season with improving shooting, that's all. I'm not buying any all star hype just yet.
However, I believe if Smith Jr. becomes a 80+% free throw shooter and an improve 3 pts shooter, all star selection might be a real possibility.
So Knicks fans, stay away from the DSJ practice dunk hype, unless it's being done during a NBA game.
True.
Also DSJ will have to outplay Frank in camp and scoring on Frankie Noodles will be a difficult task. To me Frank is going for that starting point guard spot and nothing less.
So DSJ will have to be extra ready.
Thing is "IF" DSJ's shot has improved it opens up things for him because now you HAVE to guard him on the perimeter. You have to respect his shot and it opens things up for other players on the court because they no longer can just guard the lane. If they guard him tight he has the ability to blow by you. So I do expect his scoring to go up. So can he become an All Star? I don't see it this year, but if he continues this improvement and continues to work on his body than yes I do see it.
Currently we have an offense with no black holes so the ball will no longer stick to just one person. DSJ can pass, RJ can pass, Randle can pass, Morris can pass and each can bring the ball up. So ball movement will be the key and It will start with DSJ. We have the talent, but Fiz needs to prove that he can develop these kids to work together and run a real system.
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:14 pm
by HerSports85
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:23 pm
by taj2133
Zenzibar wrote:TruthBeTold wrote:The truth about Smith Jr. can't be revealed with practice highlights.
The truth about DSJ's improvement will start to show during preseason basketball.
My Prediction:
You will get the same DSJ from last season with improving shooting, that's all. I'm not buying any all star hype just yet.
However, I believe if Smith Jr. becomes a 80+% free throw shooter and an improve 3 pts shooter, all star selection might be a real possibility.
So Knicks fans, stay away from the DSJ practice dunk hype, unless it's being done during a NBA game.
True.
Also DSJ will have to outplay Frank in camp and scoring on Frankie Noodles will be a difficult task. To me Frank is going for that starting point guard spot and nothing less.
So DSJ will have to be extra ready.
I doubt frank will be the starter he will have to complete 180 in camp and everything will have to be perfect for frank and management. I see dsj as the starting point guard if frank wins the job props to him i would be impressed if he did.
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:24 pm
by god shammgod
frank aint starting. c'mon.
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:09 pm
by Jeff Van Gully
why we even talking about frank here?
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:21 pm
by MadGrinch
Jeff Van Gully wrote:why we even talking about frank here?
Because the topic shifted to who starts at point guard
And that will be frank
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:25 pm
by DOT
MadGrinch wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:why we even talking about frank here?
Because the topic shifted to who starts at point guard
And that will be frank
I will bet you any amount of money it's not
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:51 pm
by MadGrinch
K-DOT wrote:MadGrinch wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:why we even talking about frank here?
Because the topic shifted to who starts at point guard
And that will be frank
I will bet you any amount of money it's not
If I thought you were good for the money I’d take you on it
Truthfully it’s not even because I think frank is better , it’s because of RJ , RJ is going to start unless he is absolutely trash in preseason. They are going to build marketing campaigns around him and push him for ROY.
And RJ is not an off ball player and since the offense will obviously run through Julius ... you can only have but so many players who need the ball to be successful.
It’s possible Elfrid starts , but the player with the least amount of off ball value is clearly DSJ , there is no way he starts.
Frank provides 3-4 positions of switchability , is a high bbiq player who has years of off ball experience , he makes the most sense
Elfrid had like 5 triple doubles last season and is a + defender is just big enough and strong enough to guard 2s at least occasionally.
Smith kind of leaves RJ on an island because Barrett can’t shoot and can’t cover for him defensively, they both can’t have the ball . He makes the least sense.
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:26 pm
by DOT
MadGrinch wrote:K-DOT wrote:MadGrinch wrote: Because the topic shifted to who starts at point guard
And that will be frank
I will bet you any amount of money it's not
If I thought you were good for the money I’d take you on it
Truthfully it’s not even because I think frank is better , it’s because of RJ , RJ is going to start unless he is absolutely trash in preseason. They are going to build marketing campaigns around him and push him for ROY.
And RJ is not an off ball player and since the offense will obviously run through Julius ... you can only have but so many players who need the ball to be successful.
It’s possible Elfrid starts , but the player with the least amount of off ball value is clearly DSJ , there is no way he starts.
Frank provides 3-4 positions of switchability , is a high bbiq player who has years of off ball experience , he makes the most sense
Elfrid had like 5 triple doubles last season and is a + defender is just big enough and strong enough to guard 2s at least occasionally.
Smith kind of leaves RJ on an island because Barrett can’t shoot and can’t cover for him defensively, they both can’t have the ball . He makes the least sense.
35 out of 82 games last year we started Tim and one of Mudiay or Trey, including the first game of the season
I don't think Fiz is gonna have any qualms about starting both DSJ and RJ
you can only have but so many players who need the ball to be successful.
That doesn't mean Fiz won't try
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:34 pm
by thebuzzardman
K-DOT wrote:MadGrinch wrote:K-DOT wrote:I will bet you any amount of money it's not
If I thought you were good for the money I’d take you on it
Truthfully it’s not even because I think frank is better , it’s because of RJ , RJ is going to start unless he is absolutely trash in preseason. They are going to build marketing campaigns around him and push him for ROY.
And RJ is not an off ball player and since the offense will obviously run through Julius ... you can only have but so many players who need the ball to be successful.
It’s possible Elfrid starts , but the player with the least amount of off ball value is clearly DSJ , there is no way he starts.
Frank provides 3-4 positions of switchability , is a high bbiq player who has years of off ball experience , he makes the most sense
Elfrid had like 5 triple doubles last season and is a + defender is just big enough and strong enough to guard 2s at least occasionally.
Smith kind of leaves RJ on an island because Barrett can’t shoot and can’t cover for him defensively, they both can’t have the ball . He makes the least sense.
35 out of 82 games last year we started Tim and one of Mudiay or Trey, including the first game of the season
I don't think Fiz is gonna have any qualms about starting both DSJ and RJ
you can only have but so many players who need the ball to be successful.
That doesn't mean Fiz won't try
Fun debate!
I don't think Fiz would specifically care if there were 5 guys who'd like to dominate the ball. Therefore, DSJr COULD start next to RJ. I get that "better RJ" is probably unlocked with the ball in his hands, but it's reasonable to think RJ could play some off the ball and be a secondary facilitator, where DSJr is off the ball - which isn't ideal, maybe, but a lot depends on how both DSJr and RJ's jumper come along.
To the second point, if it's going to be some other caretaker, off the guard PG next to RJ doing the heavy lifting on running the offense, that'll be Payton, based on experience, not only in time in the league, but also as being an on again, off again, PG, next to JRue. Combine that with the fact that Perry loves Payton, and also Perry loves playing guards HE brought in, if the starting PG isn't DSDJr, it'll be Payton.
And maybe DSJr and Trier are an attack dog combo off the bench. In any event, DSJr starting or Trier off the bench, Fiz is going to have them in the rotation.
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:44 am
by MadGrinch
K-DOT wrote:
That doesn't mean Fiz won't try
You should throw everything you saw Fizdale do last season out .
It was a tanking season
To give you good idea of how Fizdale sees the world take a look at his 2016-17 grizzlies
The previous season they had 8 players avg in double figures
Under Fizdale the next season 3 , both Conley and Gasol had career seasons Zach became a 6th man off the bench
He basically gave the ball to his scorers , put in some shooters to space the floor and played his defensive players more
They shot over 600 more 3s than the 2015-16 team
Even the knicks last season shot over 500 more threes than horncek’s team...and that team had KP shooting them
I’m assuming only 4 players will get the green light to shoot as much they please smith, portis ,randle and Barrett and that fizdale will try to space them out to get the most of them
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:01 am
by DOT
MadGrinch wrote:To give you good idea of how Fizdale sees the world take a look at his 2016-17 grizzlies
The previous season they had 8 players avg in double figures
Under Fizdale the next season 3 , both Conley and Gasol had career seasons Zach became a 6th man off the bench
He basically gave the ball to his scorers , put in some shooters to space the floor and played his defensive players more
They also set a record in 2016 for most players to play minutes for a team in a season at 26 IIRC.
If you make the number 14 per game instead of 10, they go from 4 players in 2016 (Randolph, Conley, Gasol, and Lance Stephenson who played only 26 games) to 3 in 2017 (Randolph, Conley, and Gasol). That double figures number is cause everyone got injured in 2016, so backups got more minutes which led to more points.
Fizdale's offense is give it to the players and let them do what they want. That works when you're an assistant in Miami with the Heatles and they're 3 superstars who know how to play, or Memphis with vets who have played together for years and a PG who's a great floor general, but we don't have any of the above.
Plus, none of this means he isn't starting DSJ because of RJ which was the start of this. He likes ball dominant guards, and doesn't really give any thought to balance or defense
Re: Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:11 am
by god shammgod
kadeem allen has almost as much a chance as frank at starting.