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Re: Bill Simmons: Dolan courting offers for the Knicks 

Post#41 » by E86 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:24 pm

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cuyankees wrote:Adding 75% more OpEx in long term commitments to a biz is a huge decision, a seller would never do that if it's actively shopping.


I understand the idea of not engaging in long-term commitments in a business which you are attempting to sell, however, in this case, those are acquiring assets which directly and immediately will improve the value of the franchise.

In fact, it may be something discussed actively between a buyer and seller during negotiation.

It becomes more an issue for the debatable type of contracts. For example, we would not likely be maxing out Kemba or throwing money at Hardaway in the midst of a sale. Durant is not that situation, it is a no-brainer asset to the team.

Your "sky is falling" proclamation holds little basis in reality, and I believe you simply made that post to create a reaction on the forum.

Wait, so NYK have had 20 years of terrible management, few stars but most valuable tem by a long shot. What does that tell you about the correlation btwn valuation and stars?

KD & KI are $350 mn 5 year commitment, you really think that NYK would add nearly 10% in value (4bn) just from those 2? That's to pretty much break even.

If 2 decades are proof that stars don't matter in NYK valuation, really don't what else will?


I think people think those extra playoff games and jersey sales would increase the already highest in the nba franchise valuation.

The reality is the new owners may not want luxury tax liability, maybe have a different outlook as far as direction, might prefer other players.

I don’t think his post was to get a reaction, he’s right.

But Dolan won’t sell. NBA teams have grown about 200% in value in the last decade and the growth isn’t stopping.
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Re: Bill Simmons: Dolan courting offers for the Knicks 

Post#42 » by Zenzibar » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:25 pm

It's amazing the love Dolan is getting in here today.

Only Knicks fans can trash their team's owner, all others GTFO!
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Re: Bill Simmons: Dolan courting offers for the Knicks 

Post#43 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:25 pm

cuyankees wrote:
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cuyankees wrote:Adding 75% more OpEx in long term commitments to a biz is a huge decision, a seller would never do that if it's actively shopping.


I understand the idea of not engaging in long-term commitments in a business which you are attempting to sell, however, in this case, those are acquiring assets which directly and immediately will improve the value of the franchise.

In fact, it may be something discussed actively between a buyer and seller during negotiation.

It becomes more an issue for the debatable type of contracts. For example, we would not likely be maxing out Kemba or throwing money at Hardaway in the midst of a sale. Durant is not that situation, it is a no-brainer asset to the team.

Your "sky is falling" proclamation holds little basis in reality, and I believe you simply made that post to create a reaction on the forum.

Wait, so NYK have had 20 years of terrible management, few stars but most valuable tem by a long shot. What does that tell you about the correlation btwn valuation and stars?

KD & KI are $350 mn 5 year commitment, you really think that NYK would add nearly 10% in value (4bn) just from those 2? That's to pretty much break even.

If 2 decades are proof that stars don't matter in NYK valuation, really don't what else will?


It tells me the Knicks can be valuable no matter what. Knicks have typically spent a lot of money so that is not an issue. The argument doesn't make sense because there is a salary cap and a min you can spend. Even if the Knicks dont invest in Kyrie and Durant, they will have to spend on someone. That $350mil is not extra money, but much of it will need to be spent regardless. It is far more valuable to spend on Durant and Kyrie, then the likes of Timmy/Lee/Noah. We have had a bunch of years being the #1 spending team, with a losing record, while still being wildly profitable
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Re: Bill Simmons: Dolan courting offers for the Knicks 

Post#44 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:33 pm

Zenzibar wrote:It's amazing the love Dolan is getting in here today.

Only Knicks fans can trash their team's owner, all others GTFO!


There is a time and a place to trash Dolan, and now is not the time when we are trying to lure free agents. :lol:

It's the same reason Bill Simmons is picking now to spark rumors and trash the Knicks...He is feeling threatened
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Re: Bill Simmons: Dolan courting offers for the Knicks 

Post#45 » by Stannis » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:37 pm

It will be good for him. He needs to focus on his dream which is his band:





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Re: Bill Simmons: Dolan courting offers for the Knicks 

Post#46 » by cuyankees » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:38 pm

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cuyankees wrote:
Kampuchea wrote:
I understand the idea of not engaging in long-term commitments in a business which you are attempting to sell, however, in this case, those are acquiring assets which directly and immediately will improve the value of the franchise.

In fact, it may be something discussed actively between a buyer and seller during negotiation.

It becomes more an issue for the debatable type of contracts. For example, we would not likely be maxing out Kemba or throwing money at Hardaway in the midst of a sale. Durant is not that situation, it is a no-brainer asset to the team.

Your "sky is falling" proclamation holds little basis in reality, and I believe you simply made that post to create a reaction on the forum.

Wait, so NYK have had 20 years of terrible management, few stars but most valuable tem by a long shot. What does that tell you about the correlation btwn valuation and stars?

KD & KI are $350 mn 5 year commitment, you really think that NYK would add nearly 10% in value (4bn) just from those 2? That's to pretty much break even.

If 2 decades are proof that stars don't matter in NYK valuation, really don't what else will?


It tells me the Knicks can be valuable no matter what. Knicks have typically spent a lot of money so that is not an issue. The argument doesn't make sense because there is a salary cap and a min you can spend. Even if the Knicks dont invest in Kyrie and Durant, they will have to spend on someone. That $350mil is not extra money, but much of it will need to be spent regardless. It is far more valuable to spend on Durant and Kyrie, then the likes of Timmy/Lee/Noah. We have had a bunch of years being the #1 spending team, with a losing record, while still being wildly profitable

Very key pt that I didn’t know about a salary cap floor. Thank you for sharing that and yes, that makes complete sense. $ has to be spent and wow does that change the dynamic to selling.
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Re: Bill Simmons: Dolan courting offers for the Knicks 

Post#47 » by cuyankees » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:41 pm

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That's what I'm talkin' about! Keep talkin'.

Talk about getting the rug pulled out.

Imagine a grand plan to clear books, drum up KD interest, etc and Dolan did it all to prep for a sale. And KP actually never wanted out, but was dealt for a sale...

Ahhhhhhh


Stay woke...

A Knicks sale is my best possible outcome. I'll take "owner X" over Dolan easily. The "what if s/he doesn't spend" bogeyman has never scared me. Our problem has always been that we spend poorly which, in a capped league, is the worst sin.


Plus, these players all want 1+1s these days anyway.

So that’s what KP meant...

Completely agree, a sale would be welcomed bc a new owner would clean house and big believer that any organization’s success or failure starts @ the top.
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Re: Bill Simmons: Dolan courting offers for the Knicks 

Post#48 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:43 pm

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cuyankees wrote:If Dolan is seriously selling, then that's a huge problem for upcoming FA and you can kiss any max cats goodbye


actually it’s all part of the plan

Read on Twitter


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Post#49 » by GEOLINK » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:50 pm

New owner + Durant/Kyrie?

This gonna be another wild summer.
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Re: Bill Simmons: Dolan courting offers for the Knicks 

Post#50 » by NoLayupRule » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:50 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
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cuyankees wrote:If Dolan is seriously selling, then that's a huge problem for upcoming FA and you can kiss any max cats goodbye


actually it’s all part of the plan

Read on Twitter


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Durant going for ownership with Rich

Can you imagine a player/owner?

He would be so pissed at the money he’s paying scrub players. He would be a nightmare in the locker room
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Re: Bill Simmons: Dolan courting offers for the Knicks 

Post#51 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:55 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Tron Carter wrote:
actually it’s all part of the plan

Read on Twitter


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Durant going for ownership with Rich

Can you imagine a player/owner?

He would be so pissed at the money he’s paying scrub players. He would be a nightmare in the locker room


:D

I was thinking post career. But you are right. Yikes. I mean, Jordan as POBO was rough enough. (edited)
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Re: Bill Simmons: Dolan courting offers for the Knicks 

Post#52 » by SmoothLefty21 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:55 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:It's interesting that Bill's take is that "joke franchises" can't turn around.


The real beauty of it is that he's a Boston guy and the Red Sox and Patriots were jokes for a long, long time before turning it around. It happened twice right under his nose and he still acts like franchises can't turn around.
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Post#53 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:57 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:It's interesting that Bill's take is that "joke franchises" can't turn around.


The real beauty of it is that he's a Boston guy and the Red Sox and Patriots were jokes for a long, long time before turning it around. It happened twice right under his nose and he still acts like franchises can't turn around.


Particularly the Patriots.
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Post#54 » by RHODEY » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:00 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:Bill is just mad that AD, Kyrie and/or Durant are considering the Knicks.

Bill has attacked all of those players over the past free weeks whenever their names have been linked to the Knicks in reports.

Bill even got the point on his podcast/twitter where he said Kyrie should get out, and that he no longer wanted to see Kyrie on his Celtics.

The Celtics enter every season praying for players on other teams not getting along with their coach/front office, because that's the only way the Celtics are able to get them.

When was the last time a top player signed with the Celtics as a free agent, instead of asking their former team to be traded?

Bill is afraid of the Knicks becoming a free agency destination, whereas the team he roots far having to lay in the weeds during the season until a disgruntled player asks to be traded.

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Re: Bill Simmons: Dolan courting offers for the Knicks 

Post#55 » by SmoothLefty21 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:08 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
SmoothLefty21 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:It's interesting that Bill's take is that "joke franchises" can't turn around.


The real beauty of it is that he's a Boston guy and the Red Sox and Patriots were jokes for a long, long time before turning it around. It happened twice right under his nose and he still acts like franchises can't turn around.


Particularly the Patriots.


Yep. Pre-Dolan, our history is somewhat similar to the Red Sox. We were fine for four decades, not great but not a laughing stock. Had our ups and downs. We were arguably the second most prominent franchise during the 90s, despite not winning a chip. Many people act like we've been the Dolan-level circus since 1974.
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Post#56 » by RHODEY » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:09 pm

Stannis wrote:It will be good for him. He needs to focus on his dream which is his band:







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Post#57 » by F N 11 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:21 pm

Yo just chill let the Knicks build for once. New owner will come in trying to do things his way. But we finally doing right I think.
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Post#58 » by F N 11 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:23 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:It's amazing the love Dolan is getting in here today.

Only Knicks fans can trash their team's owner, all others GTFO!


There is a time and a place to trash Dolan, and now is not the time when we are trying to lure free agents. :lol:

It's the same reason Bill Simmons is picking now to spark rumors and trash the Knicks...He is feeling threatened

Talk your ish. We finally have a clean slate let’s build first before we tear it down.
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Re: Bill Simmons: Dolan courting offers for the Knicks 

Post#59 » by GEOLINK » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:43 pm

Knicks have a contract to play at MSG if a new owner would come right?
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Re: Bill Simmons: Dolan courting offers for the Knicks 

Post#60 » by cuyankees » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:48 pm

GEOLINK wrote:Knicks have a contract to play at MSG if a new owner would come right?

No, AOC will x the bridge and get it rejected due to tax incentives and Knicks will be forced to relocate to Jersey.

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