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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#561 » by Context » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:58 pm

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I mean if you have any proof that the team was actually tanking on purpose, outside of the hopes and dreams of some that want to believe we weren't as bad as the record, but decided to tank in the first season that the league punished tankers, then I'd love to hear it.

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Sark, how many games did you watch last season?


81

ok...and you didnt see in January when mitch started to play well in the 3rd how Fiz took him out?
“The kid can play,” Robinson said of Barrett“He goes at everybody strong. If he’s a rookie, and he’s doing that, I think he’ll have a great career ahead of him.”
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#562 » by Sark » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:58 pm

Look, he had the worst advanced numbers in the history of advanced numbers. If you need to sleep better at night about it, then do all the mental gymnastics you want. The numbers are what the numbers are.


And tanking shouldn't have been a goal. 33 wins would have gotten us the 1st or 2nd pick. 17 wins got us the 3rd.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#563 » by Sark » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:59 pm

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Sark, how many games did you watch last season?


81

ok...and you didnt see in January when mitch started to play well in the 3rd how Fiz took him out?



Was he in foul trouble? Maybe load management? Taking a player out doesn't = tanking.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#564 » by Context » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:04 pm

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81

ok...and you didnt see in January when mitch started to play well in the 3rd how Fiz took him out?



Was he in foul trouble? Maybe load management? Taking a player out doesn't = tanking.

now i know you didnt watch Sark :lol:
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#565 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:10 pm

Sark wrote:
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Sark wrote:

I mean if you have any proof that the team was actually tanking on purpose, outside of the hopes and dreams of some that want to believe we weren't as bad as the record, but decided to tank in the first season that the league punished tankers, then I'd love to hear it.

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Sark, how many games did you watch last season?


81


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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#566 » by malik959 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:41 pm

Man I don't get it. People want to lose so we could get a better draft pick to build on so we give more minutes to guys that aren't really ready for the grind like Kevin or players that are at best a 3rd or 4th scorer, yet we complain because we don't look good while we lose.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#567 » by Polk377 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:55 am

Knox will be a very good player and I don't care what the numbers were this season. This kid works hard daily and I'm sure someone is breaking down the tape with him helping him get smarter out there. When his body fills out and he has more confidence in his handles, Knox will be a problem.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#568 » by DrCoach » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:22 pm

Polk377 wrote:Knox will be a very good player and I don't care what the numbers were this season. This kid works hard daily and I'm sure someone is breaking down the tape with him helping him get smarter out there. When his body fills out and he has more confidence in his handles, Knox will be a problem.



Giannis had a PER of 10.8 at 19, it was 30.1 this season. Sure glad milwaukee didnt write him off
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#569 » by Fury » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:24 pm

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Polk377 wrote:Knox will be a very good player and I don't care what the numbers were this season. This kid works hard daily and I'm sure someone is breaking down the tape with him helping him get smarter out there. When his body fills out and he has more confidence in his handles, Knox will be a problem.



Giannis had a PER of 10.8 at 19, it was 30.1 this season. Sure glad milwaukee didnt write him off


Tbf, Kevin Knox is worse (PER, TS%, VORP)
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#570 » by DrCoach » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:51 pm

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Polk377 wrote:Knox will be a very good player and I don't care what the numbers were this season. This kid works hard daily and I'm sure someone is breaking down the tape with him helping him get smarter out there. When his body fills out and he has more confidence in his handles, Knox will be a problem.



Giannis had a PER of 10.8 at 19, it was 30.1 this season. Sure glad milwaukee didnt write him off


Tbf, Kevin Knox is worse (PER, TS%, VORP)



You.ve missed the point entirely
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#571 » by Fury » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:52 pm

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Giannis had a PER of 10.8 at 19, it was 30.1 this season. Sure glad milwaukee didnt write him off


Tbf, Kevin Knox is worse (PER, TS%, VORP)



You.ve missed the point entirely


What's the point? Kevin Knox's numbers are abysmal not just bad.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#572 » by DrCoach » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:58 pm

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Tbf, Kevin Knox is worse (PER, TS%, VORP)



You.ve missed the point entirely


What's the point? Kevin Knox's numbers are abysmal not just bad.


Its elementary. But everyone learns at their own pace
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#573 » by Fury » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:02 pm

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You.ve missed the point entirely


What's the point? Kevin Knox's numbers are abysmal not just bad.


Its elementary. But everyone learns at their own pace


What I'm trying to say is that not everyone who is young is going to be good. Giannis showed signs through his peripheral numbers. Knox hasn't shown ****.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#574 » by DrCoach » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:25 pm

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What's the point? Kevin Knox's numbers are abysmal not just bad.


Its elementary. But everyone learns at their own pace


What I'm trying to say is that not everyone who is young is going to be good. Giannis showed signs through his peripheral numbers. Knox hasn't shown ****.



thanks for refuting a point, that nobody made.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#575 » by Fury » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:28 pm

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Its elementary. But everyone learns at their own pace


What I'm trying to say is that not everyone who is young is going to be good. Giannis showed signs through his peripheral numbers. Knox hasn't shown ****.



thanks for refuting a point, that nobody made.


Ok lets keep comparing **** Giannis and Kevin Knox
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#576 » by DrCoach » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:35 pm

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What I'm trying to say is that not everyone who is young is going to be good. Giannis showed signs through his peripheral numbers. Knox hasn't shown ****.



thanks for refuting a point, that nobody made.


Ok lets keep comparing **** Giannis and Kevin Knox



Thanks for making two points that nobody made
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#577 » by Fury » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:38 pm

DrCoach wrote:
Fury wrote:
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thanks for refuting a point, that nobody made.


Ok lets keep comparing **** Giannis and Kevin Knox



Thanks for making two points that nobody made


DrCoach wrote:
Polk377 wrote:Knox will be a very good player and I don't care what the numbers were this season. This kid works hard daily and I'm sure someone is breaking down the tape with him helping him get smarter out there. When his body fills out and he has more confidence in his handles, Knox will be a problem.



Giannis had a PER of 10.8 at 19, it was 30.1 this season. Sure glad milwaukee didnt write him off


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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#578 » by DrCoach » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:40 pm

Fury wrote:
DrCoach wrote:
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Ok lets keep comparing **** Giannis and Kevin Knox



Thanks for making two points that nobody made


DrCoach wrote:
Polk377 wrote:Knox will be a very good player and I don't care what the numbers were this season. This kid works hard daily and I'm sure someone is breaking down the tape with him helping him get smarter out there. When his body fills out and he has more confidence in his handles, Knox will be a problem.



Giannis had a PER of 10.8 at 19, it was 30.1 this season. Sure glad milwaukee didnt write him off


lol


Exactly
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#579 » by Cookies4Life » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:46 pm

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Tbf, Kevin Knox is worse (PER, TS%, VORP)



You.ve missed the point entirely


What's the point? Kevin Knox's numbers are abysmal not just bad.


It's worrisome how his numbers looked last season; pretty much all the advanced metrics paint Knox in a terrible light. It would be one thing if he was just getting spot minutes as an 18 year old rookie but he was a starter for the majority of the season and played heavy minutes, so a lot of those numbers do look appalling.

I also see the other perspective that he's really young, has to fill into his body, work on some actual go-to moves offensively, build on his stamina and conditioning which I hope was the reason his defense was so putrid last season. He also played with arguably the worst starting PG in the league who didn't look like he knew how to orchestrate an offense in Mudiay.

He is really young and hopefully he'll use all that experience from last season and look to improve in pretty much every facet to his game. His physical attributes are impressive and he does seem like he can be a do-it-all type of player on the offensive end since the fundamentals are there. He just needs a LOT of improving in all aspects of his game.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#580 » by K-DOT » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:50 pm

DrCoach wrote:
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Thanks for making two points that nobody made


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Giannis had a PER of 10.8 at 19, it was 30.1 this season. Sure glad milwaukee didnt write him off


lol


Exactly

Aight, you've both made your points

Both of you are pretty, now let's stop going at each other
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