Why do people hate Fiz?

Kampuchea · Post #61 » by **Kampuchea** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:10 am

Player development? Hahahaha

thebuzzardman · Post #62 » by **thebuzzardman** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:12 am

drekwins · Post #63 » by **drekwins** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:34 am

bleedblue3303 wrote:I'm confused why some people have Fiz hate.

He seems to be doing a great job of developing young talent.

Mitch, Dotson, Trier,Knox, even Mudiay
all seem to be improving.

He has started a culture where young guys play hard.
And enjoy playing here. Besides Kanter and KP there wasn't any drama here this year. I think it was a great rebuilding year.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY. ALL THIS WHILE MAINTAINING THE TANK!

What more would you like to see him do? I don't think he can complicate the system all that much while guys are still learning how to play the game. Also I think it is a strong possibility that Frank may not be a part of the teams plans anymore. So pretty sure that is why he is not playing.

Just curious why people don't like him. I have been very happy with the job he has done.

3 Main Reasons (at least for me)

1) He chooses favorites irrationally and without justification
2) He preaches defense but doesn't hold anyone accountable to it. Worse, he doesn't reward the guys who do play good D (Mitch, Frank).
3) Many of the young guys have not progressed nearly enough from game 1 until now

Knickmyballz · Post #64 » by **Knickmyballz** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:04 am

Last post pretty much sums it up.

He’s fake hustle.

He will never make the proper personnel calls or coach a talented roster past the second round.

His “ system” is invisible.

Why can’t this franchise hire a decent coach???!

There’s ten guys on this message board who would do a better job!

Greenie · Post #65 » by **Greenie** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:33 am

2010 wrote:
Greenie wrote:
2010 wrote:
See...you focusing on your wants rather than Mitch's needs.

I want what Mitch needs.

Don’t do that dude mess

Then you'd see the value in him splitting time with DJ. DJ has been a blessing for Mitch. You know I'm speaking facts!

No

BallSacBounce · Post #66 » by **BallSacBounce** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:25 am

We hate all our coaches. What makes him so special?

NoStatsGuy · Post #67 » by **NoStatsGuy** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:42 am

what people get wrong about todays NBA and their coaches. its not so much about x's and o's anymore, you need a coach players can relate to, especially young teams.

fiz is checking all those boxes and is a very modern nba coach. i think its mostly internet forums, that hate fizdale. so its whatever, really. I like coach, i hope he stays for a long time.

im starting to think about x and o when we are in the playoffs, when it actually matters a bit.

Sark · Post #68 » by **Sark** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:27 am

NoStatsGuy wrote:what people get wrong about todays NBA and their coaches. its not so much about x's and o's anymore, you need a coach players can relate to, especially young teams.

fiz is checking all those boxes and is a very modern nba coach. i think its mostly internet forums, that hate fizdale. so its whatever, really. I like coach, i hope he stays for a long time.

im starting to think about x and o when we are in the playoffs, when it actually matters a bit.

Eh, just about all the top teams have a good x's and o's coach. I mean Kerr replacing Jackson, and Budenholzer replacing Kidd, and the success that each has had pretty much shows that the schematic guy is outperforming the cool, relatable guy.

thebuzzardman · Post #69 » by **thebuzzardman** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:07 am

Whatever the issues are, it's everyone's fault but Fizzles.

NYKAL · Post #70 » by **NYKAL** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:24 pm

drekwins wrote:
bleedblue3303 wrote:I'm confused why some people have Fiz hate.

He seems to be doing a great job of developing young talent.

Mitch, Dotson, Trier,Knox, even Mudiay
all seem to be improving.

He has started a culture where young guys play hard.
And enjoy playing here. Besides Kanter and KP there wasn't any drama here this year. I think it was a great rebuilding year.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY. ALL THIS WHILE MAINTAINING THE TANK!

What more would you like to see him do? I don't think he can complicate the system all that much while guys are still learning how to play the game. Also I think it is a strong possibility that Frank may not be a part of the teams plans anymore. So pretty sure that is why he is not playing.

Just curious why people don't like him. I have been very happy with the job he has done.

3 Main Reasons (at least for me)

1) He chooses favorites irrationally and without justification
2) He preaches defense but doesn't hold anyone accountable to it. Worse, he doesn't reward the guys who do play good D (Mitch, Frank).
3) Many of the young guys have not progressed nearly enough from game 1 until now

Mitch is not ready 30 plus minutes a game and last night was the proof. No one should even be mentioning Frank since he's been MIA far too long to even be part of the "current" discussion.

So, the biggest critique I got from this entire thread was that he wasn't playing Mitch and Frank as much as some want. LMAO ya'll going bat **** crazy over a season without meaning. Hold players accountable...for what when most won't be back next season.

Fiz could sit on the bench and not engage with the team for the entire game and I wouldn't care. I'm seeing growth from everyone not named Frank so, he's doing good imo.

Phish Tank · Post #71 » by **Phish Tank** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:11 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Whatever the issues are, it's everyone's fault but Fizzles.

Fizzles, flat, Canada Dry.

What's the best nickname to adopt :lol:

?

stuporman · Post #72 » by **stuporman** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:19 pm

Many people are miserable self sufferers so......

Richard4444 · Post #73 » by **Richard4444** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:46 pm

How can he really coach if our orginal roster was: 3 rookies (Knox, Trier and Mitch), 3 sophomores with little playing time in NBA (Frank, Dotson and Kornet), 4 former busts who hardly would stay (Mario, Vonleh, Burke and Mudd), 2 Near Retirement players (Lance and Lee), 1 Injured player (KP). And the most experienced healthy players at their prime was Tim and Kanter? That was a tank roster from the beginning. That was almost uncoachable.

To make things worst 50 to 90% of the roster will not stay. And by next season the team system will be changed to please our new Max FA signings.

DowNY · Post #74 » by **DowNY** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:52 pm

Scapegoat

shtolky · Post #75 » by **shtolky** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:04 pm

Who is the best player on the team? Who are the 3 best players on the team?

NYKAL · Post #76 » by **NYKAL** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:51 pm

shtolky wrote:Who is the best player on the team? Who are the 3 best players on the team?

Mudiay, Mario & Kornet (green font)

Kampuchea · Post #77 » by **Kampuchea** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:02 pm

Richard4444 wrote:How can he really coach if our orginal roster was: 3 rookies (Knox, Trier and Mitch), 3 sophomores with little playing time in NBA (Frank, Dotson and Kornet), 4 former busts who hardly would stay (Mario, Vonleh, Burke and Mudd), 2 Near Retirement players (Lance and Lee), 1 Injured player (KP). And the most experienced healthy players at their prime was Tim and Kanter? That was a tank roster from the beginning. That was almost uncoachable.

To make things worst 50 to 90% of the roster will not stay. And by next season the team system will be changed to please our new Max FA signings.

So he can't coach because of the roster? :crazy:

Even if the players suck, defense is driven a bunch by effort and I have seen a consistent lack of effort. Lack of effort is something the coach definitely needs to be held accountable for, at least partially.

It's not all bad, he at least plays the younger players which coaches like Horny did not want to do.

There is a good chance our roster sucks again next year, so he also can't really coach again next year as well? :banghead:

Gravy · Post #78 » by **Gravy** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:16 pm

shtolky wrote:Who is the best player on the team? Who are the 3 best players on the team?

I'd have to say Mudiay, Dotson and DJ.

DJ just edges out Mitch by experience and strength. DSJ and Mudiay are neck and neck but Mudiay is playing now.

Richard4444 · Post #79 » by **Richard4444** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:31 pm

Kampuchea wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:How can he really coach if our orginal roster was: 3 rookies (Knox, Trier and Mitch), 3 sophomores with little playing time in NBA (Frank, Dotson and Kornet), 4 former busts who hardly would stay (Mario, Vonleh, Burke and Mudd), 2 Near Retirement players (Lance and Lee), 1 Injured player (KP). And the most experienced healthy players at their prime was Tim and Kanter? That was a tank roster from the beginning. That was almost uncoachable.

To make things worst 50 to 90% of the roster will not stay. And by next season the team system will be changed to please our new Max FA signings.

So he can't coach because of the roster?

Even if the players suck, defense is driven a bunch by effort and I have seen a consistent lack of effort. Lack of effort is something the coach definitely needs to be held accountable for, at least partially.

It's not all bad, he at least plays the younger players which coaches like Horny did not want to do.

There is a good chance our roster sucks again next year, so he also can't really coach again next year as well?

The points are:

1) Our rookies and sophomores players dont have enough experience, developed individuals skills set, developed physical tools to properly execute team play. They are too green. You have to keep explaining basic things. You have to try to keep things too simple.

2) Fomer (?) busts players dont have a great skill set, will problably leave the team and they are more interested in individuals stats than team development.

3) Veteran players will not stay in team and dont have physical conditional or skill set to make a great difference.

How can you coach a team that half of the roster has yet to learn the Basic of NBA and the other half will leave the team and not interested in team play? And all you gonna reach will not matter at all because you have to star over next season with a totally new roster and the main focus of the team will switch to Durant, Irving and AD/Zion/Beal.

Jeffrey · Post #80 » by **Jeffrey** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:38 pm

There are some attributes that you want to see from coaches:

1. Overall Strategy (offense & defense)
2. Rotations/Minutes
3. Babysitting (keep egos in check, locker room attitude)
4. In-game strategies (after timeouts, after halftime, after quarters)

Overall Strategy - I have yet to see a reasonable overall strategy and his quote from earlier this season was a bit concerning. Something in the tune of "not having a strategy and letting the kids do their thing" and then complained about the kids not running plays about a month ago. If you look at Atkinson or Budenholzer, you know their strategy. You look at Carlisle, you know his strategy. Popovich too.

Rotations/Minutes - I disagree with Frank's inconsistent minutes. At least give him the keys and lets see what he does before giving him the boot. Knox is doing the same stuff and we have yet to see him ride the pine for a long period of time. But overall, it's been okay.

Babysitting - team as a whole, likes Fizdale. NBA players as a whole likes Fizdale. So he can talk to players and locker room is positive. Problem with this is... clock is ticking when players will say... "What's your strategy, coach?".

In-game strategies - LOL lets work on overall strategy first.