Official Frank Ntilikina Thread

nedleeds · Post #821 » by **nedleeds** » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:02 pm

Keep in mind when giving up on Frank, we're pretty sure he just stopped growing. His last measurement was 6' 6".

Clyde_Style · Post #822 » by **Clyde_Style** » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:06 pm

nedleeds wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
nedleeds wrote:Dennis is a bad defender. His time in Dallas showed the same. Frank to me has more potential to be a rotation NBA player than DSJ.

He's turning 21 this Summer and has had awful coaching and sporadic minutes for the most part. I'm all for yanking rookies for lack of effort, but I never saw Frank just die out there and he should have been playing 30+ minutes for the past two years. Playing through tentativeness and mistakes is the most important thing for a young guard. Franks shot isn't totally busted like Lonzo or something, Frank shoots 77% from the line. His 3 point form is great, he just needs to get some reps.

I still think Franks ceiling is something around Jrue Holiday, his floor to me is like Aaron McKie.

All that said I have no faith in the coaching staffs player development ability. The same morons giving minutes to **** Mudiay, Mario and Jordan are still here.

Mike Miller was truly some kind of development maestro in Westchester and now he's planting his flag at MSG so judging our future ability at player development because Fiz is head coach is probably unwarranted now.

Fiz may still be a crap coach with awful rotations and weird justifications, but I'll give him half a season to prove to us his rationales last season were driven by the order to tank. If Fiz has question marks hanging over his ability to coach then this is the season to prove that he can (unless he is told be be a tank commander again).

Oh cool, I just read that he is joining the staff. I agree there is no reason not to keep Fizdale, if only because he seems to get along with his players and I do believe he cares and works. If Miller can help with our players off ball movement, catch and shoot and over all foot work around the perimeter that would be a big boost. Watch Knox and Frank shoot in an empty gym and their shots look great, but in the game Knox would often step out of bounds or not be in the corner ready to shoot. Same with Frank, he has this nice high release, nice arc 3 ball that looks like it should go in. Miller in the last half of his career, when he lost his dunk contest athleticism, was an elite catch and shoot player and had great instincts for getting in position to catch and shoot.

The player and the coach are two different people FYI, he's not the former NBA player. This Mike Miller was a college coach from 1989-2015 until he joined the Knicks in Westchester.

Anyway, I do think guys like Knox and Frank can improve dramatically with what may end up being some simple, but needed corrections.

Clyde_Style · Post #823 » by **Clyde_Style** » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:09 pm

nedleeds wrote:Keep in mind when giving up on Frank, we're pretty sure he just stopped growing. His last measurement was 6' 6".

Frank's arms grew as well and he can now reach Latvia from a sitting position

nedleeds · Post #824 » by **nedleeds** » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:36 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Mike Miller was truly some kind of development maestro in Westchester and now he's planting his flag at MSG so judging our future ability at player development because Fiz is head coach is probably unwarranted now.

Fiz may still be a crap coach with awful rotations and weird justifications, but I'll give him half a season to prove to us his rationales last season were driven by the order to tank. If Fiz has question marks hanging over his ability to coach then this is the season to prove that he can (unless he is told be be a tank commander again).

Oh cool, I just read that he is joining the staff. I agree there is no reason not to keep Fizdale, if only because he seems to get along with his players and I do believe he cares and works. If Miller can help with our players off ball movement, catch and shoot and over all foot work around the perimeter that would be a big boost. Watch Knox and Frank shoot in an empty gym and their shots look great, but in the game Knox would often step out of bounds or not be in the corner ready to shoot. Same with Frank, he has this nice high release, nice arc 3 ball that looks like it should go in. Miller in the last half of his career, when he lost his dunk contest athleticism, was an elite catch and shoot player and had great instincts for getting in position to catch and shoot.

The player and the coach are two different people FYI, he's not the former NBA player. This Mike Miller was a college coach from 1989-2015 until he joined the Knicks in Westchester.

Anyway, I do think guys like Knox and Frank can improve dramatically with what may end up being some simple, but needed corrections.

LOL. I snap assumed because Fiz and Miller were chummy on the Heat. What a **** dunce.

nedleeds · Post #825 » by **nedleeds** » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:36 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
nedleeds wrote:Keep in mind when giving up on Frank, we're pretty sure he just stopped growing. His last measurement was 6' 6".

Frank's arms grew as well and he can now reach Latvia from a sitting position

He just stripped my BBQ sandwich ... and I'm in Atlanta right now.

Clyde_Style · Post #826 » by **Clyde_Style** » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:40 pm

nedleeds wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
Oh cool, I just read that he is joining the staff. I agree there is no reason not to keep Fizdale, if only because he seems to get along with his players and I do believe he cares and works. If Miller can help with our players off ball movement, catch and shoot and over all foot work around the perimeter that would be a big boost. Watch Knox and Frank shoot in an empty gym and their shots look great, but in the game Knox would often step out of bounds or not be in the corner ready to shoot. Same with Frank, he has this nice high release, nice arc 3 ball that looks like it should go in. Miller in the last half of his career, when he lost his dunk contest athleticism, was an elite catch and shoot player and had great instincts for getting in position to catch and shoot.

The player and the coach are two different people FYI, he's not the former NBA player. This Mike Miller was a college coach from 1989-2015 until he joined the Knicks in Westchester.

LOL. I snap assumed because Fiz and Miller were chummy on the Heat. What a **** dunce.

Not a dumb thing. You're not the first and won't be the last who makes that assumption. Anyway, Miller is going to make the Knicks a much better club. He was pumping people with major improvements to their game out of Westchester.

Anyway, I do think guys like Knox and Frank can improve dramatically with what may end up being some simple, but needed corrections.

jvsimonetti0514 · Post #827 » by **jvsimonetti0514** » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:31 pm

If Frank doesn't get traded and we don't get any max guys. What do you think Frank's role will be with the team next year? Back up for DSJR? Back up 3 if we draft RJ? I can't imagine him beating out Trier and Dot for minutes at the 2. I think the experiment of him playing point is officially done. I really can only see him playing the 3.

MaseInYourFace · Post #828 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:48 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If Frank doesn't get traded and we don't get any max guys. What do you think Frank's role will be with the team next year? Back up for DSJR? Back up 3 if we draft RJ? I can't imagine him beating out Trier and Dot for minutes at the 2. I think the experiment of him playing point is officially done. I really can only see him playing the 3.

Wing 3 and D guy. Could be in running to start depending on how he looks.

NYKAL · Post #829 » by **NYKAL** » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:20 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
The player and the coach are two different people FYI, he's not the former NBA player. This Mike Miller was a college coach from 1989-2015 until he joined the Knicks in Westchester.

LOL. I snap assumed because Fiz and Miller were chummy on the Heat. What a **** dunce.

Not a dumb thing. You're not the first and won't be the last who makes that assumption. Anyway, Miller is going to make the Knicks a much better club. He was pumping people with major improvements to their game out of Westchester.

Anyway, I do think guys like Knox and Frank can improve dramatically with what may end up being some simple, but needed corrections.

won't lie, I thought it was Mike Miller the player too.

taj2133 · Post #830 » by **taj2133** » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:52 pm

NYKAL wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
LOL. I snap assumed because Fiz and Miller were chummy on the Heat. What a **** dunce.

Not a dumb thing. You're not the first and won't be the last who makes that assumption. Anyway, Miller is going to make the Knicks a much better club. He was pumping people with major improvements to their game out of Westchester.

Anyway, I do think guys like Knox and Frank can improve dramatically with what may end up being some simple, but needed corrections.

won't lie, I thought it was Mike Miller the player too.

That mike miller is on penny hardaway staff in memphis i heard they are good friends.

ITGM · Post #831 » by **ITGM** » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:05 am

Fat Kat wrote:I would be remiss if I did not point out that Dennis had the best defensive real plus-minus on the team last season.

Now feel free to transform from stat nerd, to eye test warrior.

And you know they will, Bro!

Post #832 » by **DOT** » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:23 am

ITGM wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:I would be remiss if I did not point out that Dennis had the best defensive real plus-minus on the team last season.

Now feel free to transform from stat nerd, to eye test warrior.

And you know they will, Bro!

Isn't that a gif of you running away from that Rockets PG thread after the stats came out that proved you wrong on your brilliant, well thought out point of "lol Frank not good defender, Harden score 63" and video confirmed it?

knicksanity · Post #833 » by **knicksanity** » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:38 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
nedleeds wrote:Dennis is a bad defender. His time in Dallas showed the same. Frank to me has more potential to be a rotation NBA player than DSJ.

He's turning 21 this Summer and has had awful coaching and sporadic minutes for the most part. I'm all for yanking rookies for lack of effort, but I never saw Frank just die out there and he should have been playing 30+ minutes for the past two years. Playing through tentativeness and mistakes is the most important thing for a young guard. Franks shot isn't totally busted like Lonzo or something, Frank shoots 77% from the line. His 3 point form is great, he just needs to get some reps.

I still think Franks ceiling is something around Jrue Holiday, his floor to me is like Aaron McKie.

All that said I have no faith in the coaching staffs player development ability. The same morons giving minutes to **** Mudiay, Mario and Jordan are still here.

Mike Miller was truly some kind of development maestro in Westchester and now he's planting his flag at MSG so judging our future ability at player development because Fiz is head coach is probably unwarranted now.

Fiz may still be a crap coach with awful rotations and weird justifications, but I'll give him half a season to prove to us his rationales last season were driven by the order to tank. If Fiz has question marks hanging over his ability to coach then this is the season to prove that he can (unless he is told be be a tank commander again).

Too bad they didn't short list Mike Miller as a HC last season :cry:

Clyde_Style · Post #834 » by **Clyde_Style** » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:38 am

knicksanity wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
nedleeds wrote:Dennis is a bad defender. His time in Dallas showed the same. Frank to me has more potential to be a rotation NBA player than DSJ.

He's turning 21 this Summer and has had awful coaching and sporadic minutes for the most part. I'm all for yanking rookies for lack of effort, but I never saw Frank just die out there and he should have been playing 30+ minutes for the past two years. Playing through tentativeness and mistakes is the most important thing for a young guard. Franks shot isn't totally busted like Lonzo or something, Frank shoots 77% from the line. His 3 point form is great, he just needs to get some reps.

I still think Franks ceiling is something around Jrue Holiday, his floor to me is like Aaron McKie.

All that said I have no faith in the coaching staffs player development ability. The same morons giving minutes to **** Mudiay, Mario and Jordan are still here.

Mike Miller was truly some kind of development maestro in Westchester and now he's planting his flag at MSG so judging our future ability at player development because Fiz is head coach is probably unwarranted now.

Fiz may still be a crap coach with awful rotations and weird justifications, but I'll give him half a season to prove to us his rationales last season were driven by the order to tank. If Fiz has question marks hanging over his ability to coach then this is the season to prove that he can (unless he is told be be a tank commander again).

Too bad they didn't short list Mike Miller as a HC last season

He's on the staff now. If Fiz fails, he can step in.

knicksanity · Post #835 » by **knicksanity** » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:43 am

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If Frank doesn't get traded and we don't get any max guys. What do you think Frank's role will be with the team next year? Back up for DSJR? Back up 3 if we draft RJ? I can't imagine him beating out Trier and Dot for minutes at the 2. I think the experiment of him playing point is officially done. I really can only see him playing the 3.

Too bad he'll be our 7th or 8th Man off the bench :cry:

I do have a feeling that Dotson will get traded on draft night :oops:

nedleeds · Post #836 » by **nedleeds** » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:45 am

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If Frank doesn't get traded and we don't get any max guys. What do you think Frank's role will be with the team next year? Back up for DSJR? Back up 3 if we draft RJ? I can't imagine him beating out Trier and Dot for minutes at the 2. I think the experiment of him playing point is officially done. I really can only see him playing the 3.

Should? Or will? He should have been starting and playing all of Mudiays minutes last year.

taj2133 · Post #837 » by **taj2133** » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:50 am

knicksanity wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If Frank doesn't get traded and we don't get any max guys. What do you think Frank's role will be with the team next year? Back up for DSJR? Back up 3 if we draft RJ? I can't imagine him beating out Trier and Dot for minutes at the 2. I think the experiment of him playing point is officially done. I really can only see him playing the 3.

Too bad he'll be our 7th or 8th Man off the bench

I do have a feeling that Dotson will get traded on draft night

Dotson more apart of this team future than frank is and i believe there is 60 percent chance frank is off this team this summer.

Clyde_Style · Post #838 » by **Clyde_Style** » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:56 am

taj2133 wrote:
knicksanity wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If Frank doesn't get traded and we don't get any max guys. What do you think Frank's role will be with the team next year? Back up for DSJR? Back up 3 if we draft RJ? I can't imagine him beating out Trier and Dot for minutes at the 2. I think the experiment of him playing point is officially done. I really can only see him playing the 3.

Too bad he'll be our 7th or 8th Man off the bench

I do have a feeling that Dotson will get traded on draft night

Dotson more apart of this team future than frank is and i believe there is 60 percent chance frank is off this team this summer.

Dotson is a good player. He performed better than Frank, that is clear.

I hope they keep Dot at least.

KnicksGadfly · Post #839 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:59 am

nedleeds wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If Frank doesn't get traded and we don't get any max guys. What do you think Frank's role will be with the team next year? Back up for DSJR? Back up 3 if we draft RJ? I can't imagine him beating out Trier and Dot for minutes at the 2. I think the experiment of him playing point is officially done. I really can only see him playing the 3.

Should? Or will? He should have been starting and playing all of Mudiays minutes last year.

I'd argue that that's more of an indictment of Mudiay or his contract status than an argument for Frank's play.

I would just tell Frank, your refusal and inability to hit a shot is selfishness. You're making your teammates carry you. That seems to be his motivator...he's a team player.

If Frank can hit a shot though, I think he should start.

Phish Tank · Post #840 » by **Phish Tank** » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:08 am

taj2133 wrote:
knicksanity wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If Frank doesn't get traded and we don't get any max guys. What do you think Frank's role will be with the team next year? Back up for DSJR? Back up 3 if we draft RJ? I can't imagine him beating out Trier and Dot for minutes at the 2. I think the experiment of him playing point is officially done. I really can only see him playing the 3.

Too bad he'll be our 7th or 8th Man off the bench

I do have a feeling that Dotson will get traded on draft night

Dotson more apart of this team future than frank is and i believe there is 60 percent chance frank is off this team this summer.

why not 61%? or 62%?