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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 262 Oliveira vs Chandler (for Khabib's vacant title), Ferguson vs Dariush 

Post#1761 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:04 am

Excellent show on Showtime called The Kings. Part II is on right now. It's focusing on Hearns, Hagler, and Leonard.
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Post#1762 » by matchman » Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:14 am

Yesterday there's quite a number of good fights, maybe except the final one, which is kinda boring.
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Post#1763 » by j4remi » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:20 pm

What's goodie fellas. I was in Vegas last week and spent this week catching up. Still haven't gone back over the Izzy performance or any of the others yet, but I ordered the ppv so I could run it back. Tonight is a really good free card though. Dan Ige vs Korean Zombie fam! Marlon Vera back too.
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Post#1764 » by matchman » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:34 pm

j4remi wrote:What's goodie fellas. I was in Vegas last week and spent this week catching up. Still haven't gone back over the Izzy performance or any of the others yet, but I ordered the ppv so I could run it back. Tonight is a really good free card though. Dan Ige vs Korean Zombie fam! Marlon Vera back too.

Korean Zombie, hopefully after the last strange knockout he can come back strong in this one.
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 262 Oliveira vs Chandler (for Khabib's vacant title), Ferguson vs Dariush 

Post#1765 » by j4remi » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:32 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Excellent show on Showtime called The Kings. Part II is on right now. It's focusing on Hearns, Hagler, and Leonard.


This was a fantastic suggestion Wingo! I binged the whole damned thing in one weekend. The era of the Four Kings is, to me, the greatest era of boxing's illustrious history. To be fair, I can only dream of what the Sugar Ray Robinson run looked like. But this was a period where the best guys in boxing all fought each other...also, it's an era that included a damned good Puerto Rican boxer by the name of Wilfredo Benitez who lasted 15 rounds against two of the four which makes me smile.

Hagler is my favorite boxer of all time. I grew up watching his greatest hits and Hagler vs Hearns is my favorite fight of all time despite it being a short affair. I didn't appreciate Hearns until more recently when I watched his demolitions through. I'd always been a Hagler and Duran guy. If you ever want to see fantastic in-fighting, pull out the Duran tapes. He was incredible in a war, but all of these guys were. I think their ego's really played into how amazing their fights were. Nobody was elusive, they all showed up to prove they weren't just better but also tougher...until Hagler/Leonard, where Leonard fought elusive then unloaded at the ends of rounds.

My one complaint about the Kings documentary is that it lays groundwork for Tyson as the next era, but coulda done with showing some love to the lighter guys that came up as the Kings started falling off. Sweet Pea, Camacho, and Cesar Chavez are the names I associate with the post-Kings era. To be fair, this is personal bias. My household had vhs recordings of all the boxers I name above, so I'm attached to these cats.
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Post#1766 » by j4remi » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:47 pm

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j4remi wrote:What's goodie fellas. I was in Vegas last week and spent this week catching up. Still haven't gone back over the Izzy performance or any of the others yet, but I ordered the ppv so I could run it back. Tonight is a really good free card though. Dan Ige vs Korean Zombie fam! Marlon Vera back too.

Korean Zombie, hopefully after the last strange knockout he can come back strong in this one.


Talk about a fantastic performance. If he didn't hurt his shoulder, that woulda been a rout. I'd have loved to see KZ run through Ige like he was in those first two rounds and do a quick turnaround to rematch Yair. I think a LOT of people counted him out after Ortega, but in my eyes he just got caught underestimating an opponent that he couldn't dictate the stage against (not even Zombie wants to play on the ground with Brian Ortega). This showing was also a good reminder to people that Ortega deserves more credit as a threat to Volkanovski when they inevitably fight. It's a much tougher situation when you can't fall back on level changes to throw off an opponent's striking.

Ariel Helwani said Yair should keep his fight date and face Giga Chikadze. Then you'd let Max come back and fight KZ. I'd love and hate that. I love it because the match-ups are perfect. I'd hate it because Max and KZ are my two favorite guys in the division and I think KZ matches up with Volkanovski better than anyone else in the division...though footwork could be a problem.

This Saturday, we're getting an early card that's once again light on major names but loaded with fights that should be wildly entertaining.

Cyril Gane vs Alexander Volkov
should line-up another HW contender in case Jon Jones continues to fight for better pay. They're the two biggest dudes in the division with super clean striking. Gane should have a striking edge but Volkov has added a mean streak and also should have a ground advantage.

Boser vs OSP could be better than people expect. Boser can get into boring fights but he's a forward guy and I could see him falling into OSP's grip for some grappling exchanges...another von flue choke would be epic and if i can bet on it with crazy odds, I'll put a light wager just for fun.

Fili vs Pineda has fight of the night written all over it. Two dogs who get after it, one a heavy hitter and the other a savvy vet who's fought a who's who of elite competition.

Means vs Dalby just leveled up this card. Means is a late step-in but since moving up in weight he's looking like a TOUGH out. Dalby is also just plain tough. Neither guy has particularly sound defense, both guys hit hard, Means loves to use elbow in close and Dalby likes to power dudes down from clinchwork...it's a recipe for fireworks.

Moicano vs Herbert is similar to the last. Poor defense but quality offense for both fighters means that we may get a straight up show. Moicano has fallen off some, Herbert is trying to prove he's a legit rising prospect. It should be good.

That's all main card, starts at 4:00. If you tune in before that, the undercard kicks off at 1 and it STARTS with Yancy Medeiros...Has Yancy ever had a boring fight? Charlie Rosa and Warly Alves are also on early, two reliably fun fighters to watch. Alves before injuries was a really nice prospect...he stopped Colby Covington with a guillotine which I will forever highlight. At the top of the prelims is Kennedy Nzechukwu who has shown a ton of promise but still has technical aspects to build into his game. He could be a name to watch, so this prelim headliner is a nice chance to build.
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Post#1767 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:57 pm

Remi's back!

How was Vegas? See any fights are just there for fun?
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Post#1768 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:53 pm

Is there a Bellator card on tonight?

And what happened to Remi, again? lol

Don't worry, Second Mate Wingo reporting for duty. Here's the Bellator card tonight on Showtime:

MAIN CARD (Showtime, 9 p.m. ET)

Tim Johnson vs. Valentin Moldavsky – for interim heavyweight title
Liz Carmouche vs. Kana Watanabe
Keoni Diggs vs. Daniel Weichel
Myles Jury vs. Sidney Outlaw
Simon Biyong vs. Christian Edwards

PRELIMINARY CARD (MMA Junkie, 6:30 p.m. ET)

John de Jesus vs. John Teixeira
Taylor Johnson def. Lance Wright via submission (rear-naked choke) – Round 1, 2:58
Jaylon Bates def. Cody Matthews via submission (armbar) – Round 2, 4:04
Corey Samuels def. Isaiah Hokit via knockout (punches) – Round 1, 0:10
Soren Bak def. Bobby Lee via unanimous decision (30-26, 29-27, 29-27)
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 262 Oliveira vs Chandler (for Khabib's vacant title), Ferguson vs Dariush 

Post#1769 » by j4remi » Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:10 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Remi's back!

How was Vegas? See any fights are just there for fun?


Vegas was good fam! I bet on some fights at the sportsbook but that was about it for fights, it was mostly table games and pools.

I didn't catch the Bellator card, but PFL had some interesting outcomes. Anthony Pettis missed the playoffs, just looks like he's finished at this point. Kayla Harrison just keeps steamrolling second-tier talent.
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Post#1770 » by bringbackhoffa » Thu Jul 1, 2021 6:37 pm

This interim HW title is b.s. Ngannou just fought a few months ago and is ready to go in sept. This likely now pushes his next fight to Nov at the earliest.

Why hasn't the UFC done an interim fight at 135, that title has been sidelined for much longer

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Post#1771 » by j4remi » Thu Jul 1, 2021 6:56 pm

bringbackhoffa wrote:This interim HW title is b.s. Ngannou just fought a few months ago and is ready to go in sept. This likely now pushes his next fight to Nov at the earliest.

Why hasn't the UFC done an interim fight at 135, that title has been sidelined for much longer

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I've been raging about this in texts with Kosher from the FTESWL podcast. Ngannou was forced to wait almost a year for Stipe, and when he got impatient; the UFC told him he couldn't have an interim bout even against a top 5 undefeated opponent (Rozenstruik). Ngannou is good for September but the UFC has a sweet deal lined up with Houston, so they HAD to have a big main event and ppv...they settled on Lewis vs Gane which isn't a PPV main event unless they attach an arbitrary belt to it.

Meanwhile...here's Ngannou...closest thing to a Tyson that we've got right now, a HW with exciting style and fights, a rags to riches story, and he's expanding MMA to Africa in a huge way with his charitable efforts. The man is down to fight anyone and is active as hell whenever the UFC lets him fight. He SHOULD be a superstar, but the UFC keeps limiting his appearances with these dumb decisions that hold him back. He's a star off sheer effort and talent even after Dana White completely trashed him and threw him under the bus after he lost a fight. UFC needs new leadership...Whether Hunter Campbell is the problem or Dana White or both.

135 is nuts in comparison. You've got Sterling out hurt and holding the belt off a technicality from a fight he was losing. Yan is the dominant presence who everyone expects to reclaim the belt as soon as Sterling is healthy. Sandhagen is the obvious number three here. Yan vs Sandhagen would be amazing and makes sense for an interim belt while Aljo heals up. But we're getting Sandhagen vs Cruz while another potential star is on the shelf in Petr Yan for no reason other than having to wait for his next title shot.
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Post#1772 » by bringbackhoffa » Thu Jul 1, 2021 7:01 pm

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bringbackhoffa wrote:This interim HW title is b.s. Ngannou just fought a few months ago and is ready to go in sept. This likely now pushes his next fight to Nov at the earliest.

Why hasn't the UFC done an interim fight at 135, that title has been sidelined for much longer

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I've been raging about this in texts with Kosher from the FTESWL podcast. Ngannou was forced to wait almost a year for Stipe, and when he got impatient; the UFC told him he couldn't have an interim bout even against a top 5 undefeated opponent (Rozenstruik). Ngannou is good for September but the UFC has a sweet deal lined up with Houston, so they HAD to have a big main event and ppv...they settled on Lewis vs Gane which isn't a PPV main event unless they attach an arbitrary belt to it.

Meanwhile...here's Ngannou...closest thing to a Tyson that we've got right now, a HW with exciting style and fights, a rags to riches story, and he's expanding MMA to Africa in a huge way with his charitable efforts. The man is down to fight anyone and is active as hell whenever the UFC lets him fight. He SHOULD be a superstar, but the UFC keeps limiting his appearances with these dumb decisions that hold him back. He's a star off sheer effort and talent even after Dana White completely trashed him and threw him under the bus after he lost a fight. UFC needs new leadership...Whether Hunter Campbell is the problem or Dana White or both.
Agree with everything you said. Francis is a worldwide superstar, potentially has even Hollywood written into his future but Dana is just screwing him. Dana even suggested Francis get new management which is completely offside, it is as if Dana is angling for Francis to change management to someone who is more agreeable to the UFC terms (ie Ali).

Ever since that espn deal they kind have started nailing in some of these ppv events. They will load up on 2 or 3 ppv cards a yr and the rest are just mediocre.





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Post#1773 » by j4remi » Thu Jul 1, 2021 7:03 pm

bringbackhoffa wrote:
j4remi wrote:
bringbackhoffa wrote:This interim HW title is b.s. Ngannou just fought a few months ago and is ready to go in sept. This likely now pushes his next fight to Nov at the earliest.

Why hasn't the UFC done an interim fight at 135, that title has been sidelined for much longer

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I've been raging about this in texts with Kosher from the FTESWL podcast. Ngannou was forced to wait almost a year for Stipe, and when he got impatient; the UFC told him he couldn't have an interim bout even against a top 5 undefeated opponent (Rozenstruik). Ngannou is good for September but the UFC has a sweet deal lined up with Houston, so they HAD to have a big main event and ppv...they settled on Lewis vs Gane which isn't a PPV main event unless they attach an arbitrary belt to it.

Meanwhile...here's Ngannou...closest thing to a Tyson that we've got right now, a HW with exciting style and fights, a rags to riches story, and he's expanding MMA to Africa in a huge way with his charitable efforts. The man is down to fight anyone and is active as hell whenever the UFC lets him fight. He SHOULD be a superstar, but the UFC keeps limiting his appearances with these dumb decisions that hold him back. He's a star off sheer effort and talent even after Dana White completely trashed him and threw him under the bus after he lost a fight. UFC needs new leadership...Whether Hunter Campbell is the problem or Dana White or both.
Agree with everything you said. Francis is a worldwide superstar, potentially has even Hollywood written into his future but Dana is just screwing him. Dana even suggested Francis get new management which is completely offside, it is as if Dana is angling for Francis to change management to someone who is more agreeable to the UFC terms (ie Ali).

Ever since that espn deal they kind have started nailing in some of these ppv events. They will load up on 2 or 3 ppv cards a yr and the rest are just mediocre.





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That management tip is something I've been complaining about too. Jack Slack kinda put the thought in my head but Malki Kawa and Ali Abdelaziz have stables of fighters that could create a union just on their own. But those dudes are so buddied up to the UFC that I have zero faith they're getting the best deals for the fighters!
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Post#1774 » by bringbackhoffa » Thu Jul 1, 2021 7:14 pm

j4remi wrote:
bringbackhoffa wrote:
j4remi wrote:
I've been raging about this in texts with Kosher from the FTESWL podcast. Ngannou was forced to wait almost a year for Stipe, and when he got impatient; the UFC told him he couldn't have an interim bout even against a top 5 undefeated opponent (Rozenstruik). Ngannou is good for September but the UFC has a sweet deal lined up with Houston, so they HAD to have a big main event and ppv...they settled on Lewis vs Gane which isn't a PPV main event unless they attach an arbitrary belt to it.

Meanwhile...here's Ngannou...closest thing to a Tyson that we've got right now, a HW with exciting style and fights, a rags to riches story, and he's expanding MMA to Africa in a huge way with his charitable efforts. The man is down to fight anyone and is active as hell whenever the UFC lets him fight. He SHOULD be a superstar, but the UFC keeps limiting his appearances with these dumb decisions that hold him back. He's a star off sheer effort and talent even after Dana White completely trashed him and threw him under the bus after he lost a fight. UFC needs new leadership...Whether Hunter Campbell is the problem or Dana White or both.
Agree with everything you said. Francis is a worldwide superstar, potentially has even Hollywood written into his future but Dana is just screwing him. Dana even suggested Francis get new management which is completely offside, it is as if Dana is angling for Francis to change management to someone who is more agreeable to the UFC terms (ie Ali).

Ever since that espn deal they kind have started nailing in some of these ppv events. They will load up on 2 or 3 ppv cards a yr and the rest are just mediocre.





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That management tip is something I've been complaining about too. Jack Slack kinda put the thought in my head but Malki Kawa and Ali Abdelaziz have stables of fighters that could create a union just on their own. But those dudes are so buddied up to the UFC that I have zero faith they're getting the best deals for the fighters!

Its only going to get worse. These young fighters who have aspirations of making it to the big leagues will likely sign with the likes of Ali and Malki because of how many fighters they have signed with the big 3, and won't take into account the monetary impact aligning themselves with those 2 could have. Not surprising that fighters like Izzy, Stiepe, Francis, Dustin, Conor, and now even Jones are not aligned with those 2 guys. The champs that Ali has also do not get paid as much as some of these other champs and fight more frequently, its like these managers will tell the UFC if I get my champ to fight on this card then you got to do me a favor and either sign this guy to a contract or give them a preferable opponent, I guess that's what the managers job is but they are short changing some of there top guys. I cannot wait for Kayla Harrison leaves Ali for more reputable management, will make it easier for me to respect how dominate she has been (I find it very hard to cheer for any fighter on Ali stable)

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Post#1776 » by j4remi » Fri Jul 9, 2021 8:06 pm

It's a McGregor fight week but didn't really have that old Conor magic besides the rabid Conor fans.

I'm not posting last night's cringefest of a press conference. It was lame, Conor's gone full cornball and Poirier looked like the weight cut had him exhausted. Both guys seem to have a poker face about actual gameplans too. Dustin seems confident but you can tell Conor's getting on his nerves a bit and I don't like that because Diamond fights sloppy when he's angry. He got KO'ed by Michael Johnson that way. Then again...I've got zero faith that Conor's ego or comfort level allowed him to do what would be needed to be prepared for an elite lightweight opponent this late.

For clarity's sake, the adjustments for Conor aren't that difficult. Address the low kicks...easy as stepping back instead of in or taking the weight off your foot. But probably a lot less easy for a guy who has stepped in for his entire career and puts boxing stance weight on his lead foot. Mind the check hook...don't reach, keep punches straight, and don't be baited by the first punch into a rush counter. That one, I actually think Conor ought to be able to handle as long as he stays disciplined and doesn't get reckless or too cocky. Those are doable.

But even with the adjustments to those, Dustin SHOULD have the smarts and chin to survive and make his own adjustments between rounds. We saw him adjust against Alvarez and Gaethje, so he has the fight IQ to pull it off. Between adjustments and Conor's sketchy gas tank, I still have a tough time trusting Mcgregor to beat Poirier. Prime Conor? I think beats this Poirier. Older, comfortable, and out of practice Conor? I need to see it.

The rest of the card is actually pretty stacked too, but it's the first nice day in a week and I'm going out to enjoy this while I've got it. I'll try to spin back around and give yall quick rundowns on the rest because Conor usually brings in some extra eyes.

Actually...one more...Yall KNOW that Wonderboy is my GUY! He's my favorite technical striker to watch (a tie with Max Holloway) and my pick for best chance to upset Usman and Colby Covington. I've been saying this since Usman beat Woodley. I don't think there's a Welterweight with even close to a better argument of deserving the title shot and I include Colby in that (resume aging like soiled milk). But he's fighting Gilbert Burns, who represents the worst match-up possible for Wonderboy of the top five killers...here's why...

Wonderboy is elusive, extends his range because his kicks are fast and accurate as jabs, and has excellent lateral movement to keep from being trapped on the fence. His takedown defense is also high level, though that means we don't know much about his ground game...it looks solid in brief viewings, but that's all. Where he's gotten in trouble is when guys have fast power to catch him coming in, which becomes available as he gains confidence. That got him KO'ed against Pettis and knocked down against Woodley.

Burns is an ADCC-medal winning type of BJJ expert. His striking is very fast and extremely powerful. So we have the speed and the power that could help him intercept Wonderboy and hurt him. He also has a second threat to keep Thompson off-balance. You can intercept on a counter or step in on kicks and try to score a takedown. If Burns gets this to the ground, he's gotta have a grappling edge but we just don't know if the margin is instant murder, do lots of damage, or steal a round. That could force Wonderboy to a less active approach that limits his efficacy and allows Burns to lead the dance in ways most opponents haven't been able to. If Burns is patient, he could even force a gang of hesitant stalemates ala the Woodley fights.

That said...I'm picking Wonderboy. He's rolling, his striking is aesthetically perfect, and I'm just a fan. Burns isn't the technical striking standout that Pettis was in and near prime, his timing isn't what Woodley's was, and he hasn't relied on grappling against opponents in a long time. I'm counting on this one for Wonderboy and lord knows I'll be mad if he doesn't get number one contender status with the win.

If I get a chance I'll tell yall a bit more about, Aldana vs Kunitskaya, O'Malley vs a jobber, Condit vs Griffin, Niko vs Pereira, and Hall vs Topuria (latter three are all on the free portion btw). Those fights all have my eye on them for various reasons. My general Greg Hardy standard applies...he's not good enough to belong on a PPV card. Jessica Eye vs Jennifer Maia has sneaky good potential on the early prelim along with Akhmedov vs Tavares. It's a stacked card without as much name value as we generally expect on a big card. I'm looking forward to it! If yall got specific questions, thoughts, etc...let's talk that UFC PPV ish fam!
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Post#1777 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jul 9, 2021 8:37 pm

Conor has to go back to his old stance and using his kicks if he stands a chance of winning this fight. I don't expect him to do that though. Unless Dustin's weight cut messed him physically, I expect the same result as last time.
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Post#1778 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:22 pm

Conor got into it with RDA backstage calling him “a rat”. RDA says he’ll fight Conor anywhere. What’s this all about?
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 262 Oliveira vs Chandler (for Khabib's vacant title), Ferguson vs Dariush 

Post#1779 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:31 pm

If Conor lands a lucky punch and KOs Poirier it would be worth another $50M to him.

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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 262 Oliveira vs Chandler (for Khabib's vacant title), Ferguson vs Dariush 

Post#1780 » by bringbackhoffa » Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:48 am

That rookie can take a punch

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