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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 244 Nate vs Masvidal at MSG for the BMF belt! 

Post#381 » by j4remi » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:53 pm

It's fight night and I'm mostly just here for Jacare vs Blachowicz. I'm a Jacare stan and I'm nervous about him moving up when he's not a particularly big MW. But he's really good and always has grappling, so I'm hopeful.

Other then that, we get Alves vs Brown which should be fire. Bobby Green comes back. James Krause has been cooking at welterweight and he gets Sergio Moraes. The one I'm hype for is Oliveira vs Gordon though, I like Flash Gordon but Charles Oliveira is an ANIMAL. He seems overdue for a big name tbh. Then Rua gets the very poor striking Paul Craig, which should measure if Rua is completely done or not. It's slim pickins but Jacare vs Blachowicz is a good one!
PG - Morris/Caruso
SG - Booker/Brown/Z.Smith
SF - Culver/Thabo
PF - Saric/ Niang
C - Vonleh/Hartenstein/Gafford

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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 244 Nate vs Masvidal at MSG for the BMF belt! 

Post#382 » by j4remi » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:01 pm

Jacare fight was lame, I edged Jan so I wasn't mad at the decision. Jacare's time may have passed, but he should probably give 185 one last go. The Hermanson loss was with a short notice change and he wasn't right mentally for that one. He's also right that he keeps getting the raw end of close decisions. I still think he beat Romero and that rematch is probably never happening unfortunately.

Rua is cooked. Craig always looked like a bad striker, hits hard but no defense. Rua struggled to a draw with him. Oliveira had the performance of the night to me and needs a ranked opponent ASAP. Second goes to Randy Brown for a nice submission win. Tracy Cortez is dreamy, a cool social media personality and had a really solid debut but time will tell with her prospect status in terms of in octagon performance. The learning curve gets steep fast in the UFC but they'll probably be smart and bring her along the right way to lock in some wins and grow her game.

No UFC for the next couple weeks but this weekend has a Bellator event with MVP for a main event. The real main event though is getting another look at Fabian Edwards, idk anybody that doesn't like him as a prospect. He's gonna be a fast riser if Bellator doesn't slow track him MVP style.

I also wanna throw in that the Journey from white belt to black belt interview officially became our most listened to podcast episode out of 30+ episodes (Our Bernie Rally in Queensbridge podcast is a close second place). So to any of yall that peeped it, thank you and much appreciated. We're bringing in a Diamond Gloves boxer who now owns a Gym in Jersey (and also another one of our long time friends) soon. So I'll definitely share it with yall.

Also linked to that BJJ podcast, we went heavy enthusiastic about the Quintet series and the next one got announced not long after. Quintet Ultra is happening in December and the teams will be based on MMA promotion affiliation. UFC, Pride, Strikeforce and WEC will each have five man grappling teams in a relay style BJJ event. I love grappling but understand that a lot of combat sports heads don't enjoy it as much...even those heads that don't really dig it have enjoyed watching Quintet with me. I'm HYPE for this one and would highly recommend yall give it a shot if you have fight pass or some other way to access it lol
PG - Morris/Caruso
SG - Booker/Brown/Z.Smith
SF - Culver/Thabo
PF - Saric/ Niang
C - Vonleh/Hartenstein/Gafford

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IR - Gobert

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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 244 Nate vs Masvidal at MSG for the BMF belt! 

Post#383 » by j4remi » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:46 pm

Alright yall,we got an extra dry weekend. It's weird going back to back with no UFC to look forward to and at least this past weekend we got Edwards and MVP. The most interesting story of the week was Deontay Wilder with another bonkers one punch KO in his rematch with Ortiz. He gave away rounds looking for the right, but man...he just looked a bit craftier about it. He didn't eat anything that felt too threatening, eventually established his jab and then between the jabs, feints and ceding a bit of ground once in awhile...he lined up that right hand. I feel like Wilder never gets the love he deserves in boxing circles because he's not technically pleasing to watch, but his power is just unbelievable and he honestly has grown a lot from when I started hyping him as a potential Klitschko killer (it's been that long fam).

Anyway, I've got a podcast interview that I think came out great. Here's the link and run down:
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-fans-perspective/e/65509397?autoplay=true

A few months back two of my friends bought a gym. Dane had trained as a boxer his whole life, competing in the NJ Diamond Gloves tournament at one point and Will had spent years learning Gracie Jiu Jitsu. So now a couple of months into their growth, they stopped by and did an interview for my podcast that I think combat sports heads could appreciate...especially if you've ever contemplated becoming an instructor or going further and opening a school. We get into parents of bullied students thanking Dane, awkward situations for BJJ newcomers, Bareknuckle boxing and some MMA striking talk too.


Here's time stamps if yall want to jump around to topics that interest you.
What is Combat Fit Club 3:30 - (the gym my boys opened)
The Bully 6:50 - (Dane and Will were teaching a bullied student without knowing until his mom came in to thank them within weeks of the kid joining)
North South 15:55 - (Awkward BJJ positions for newcomers)
Will's journey 18:45 - (how he became an enthusiast)
Fugazi instructors 22:05 - (McDojo Instructors and the utility of self-defense vs sport training)
Knight vs Lobov 24:25 - (how Dane gained newfound respect for the sport watching Knight's adjustments)
Bare Knuckle Boxing 26:00 - (a broader discussion of BKB from a Boxer's perspective)
Striking in MMA 40:50 - (Now a boxer's perspective on MMA Striking)
Training lil killers 42:10 - (Young students learning to be tough but disciplined)
Jason Knight bathroom brawl 45:45 - (A viral clip of Knight fighting two dudes in a bathroom stall discussed)
Dane has Spidey sense 53:00 - (Dane can spot trouble coming a mile away)
Jhan Boom will call the cops 54:50 - (Jhan Boom is too old to get mixed up in someone else's scraps)
Being real is a disadvantage 55:50 - (the disadvantages and advantages of refusing to play politics or humor people)
PG - Morris/Caruso
SG - Booker/Brown/Z.Smith
SF - Culver/Thabo
PF - Saric/ Niang
C - Vonleh/Hartenstein/Gafford

Reserve - Alize
IR - Gobert

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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 244 Nate vs Masvidal at MSG for the BMF belt! 

Post#384 » by EliteSmarts » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:08 pm

j4remi wrote:Alright yall,we got an extra dry weekend. It's weird going back to back with no UFC to look forward to and at least this past weekend we got Edwards and MVP. The most interesting story of the week was Deontay Wilder with another bonkers one punch KO in his rematch with Ortiz. He gave away rounds looking for the right, but man...he just looked a bit craftier about it. He didn't eat anything that felt too threatening, eventually established his jab and then between the jabs, feints and ceding a bit of ground once in awhile...he lined up that right hand. I feel like Wilder never gets the love he deserves in boxing circles because he's not technically pleasing to watch, but his power is just unbelievable and he honestly has grown a lot from when I started hyping him as a potential Klitschko killer (it's been that long fam).

Anyway, I've got a podcast interview that I think came out great. Here's the link and run down:
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-fans-perspective/e/65509397?autoplay=true

A few months back two of my friends bought a gym. Dane had trained as a boxer his whole life, competing in the NJ Diamond Gloves tournament at one point and Will had spent years learning Gracie Jiu Jitsu. So now a couple of months into their growth, they stopped by and did an interview for my podcast that I think combat sports heads could appreciate...especially if you've ever contemplated becoming an instructor or going further and opening a school. We get into parents of bullied students thanking Dane, awkward situations for BJJ newcomers, Bareknuckle boxing and some MMA striking talk too.


Here's time stamps if yall want to jump around to topics that interest you.
What is Combat Fit Club 3:30 - (the gym my boys opened)
The Bully 6:50 - (Dane and Will were teaching a bullied student without knowing until his mom came in to thank them within weeks of the kid joining)
North South 15:55 - (Awkward BJJ positions for newcomers)
Will's journey 18:45 - (how he became an enthusiast)
Fugazi instructors 22:05 - (McDojo Instructors and the utility of self-defense vs sport training)
Knight vs Lobov 24:25 - (how Dane gained newfound respect for the sport watching Knight's adjustments)
Bare Knuckle Boxing 26:00 - (a broader discussion of BKB from a Boxer's perspective)
Striking in MMA 40:50 - (Now a boxer's perspective on MMA Striking)
Training lil killers 42:10 - (Young students learning to be tough but disciplined)
Jason Knight bathroom brawl 45:45 - (A viral clip of Knight fighting two dudes in a bathroom stall discussed)
Dane has Spidey sense 53:00 - (Dane can spot trouble coming a mile away)
Jhan Boom will call the cops 54:50 - (Jhan Boom is too old to get mixed up in someone else's scraps)
Being real is a disadvantage 55:50 - (the disadvantages and advantages of refusing to play politics or humor people)

I got some questions for you man

Who is Wilder next opponent, is it Fury or the winner of Ruiz & Joshua?

What do you think of Ruiz vs Joshua II, do you think it'll be great fight and worth the hype?

What do you think of matchup of Jon Jones vs Reyes? Some people think Reyes is just meh fighter and just a warm body for Jones. Is Reyes a worthy opponet for Jones?

What's the next Great UFC PPV card, I'm a casual but haven't watched UFC PPV card since McGregor vs Khabib so it's been a while, excited to watch the next great card.

Thanks for your great work!
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Post#385 » by newyorker4ever » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:25 pm

EliteSmarts wrote:
j4remi wrote:Alright yall,we got an extra dry weekend. It's weird going back to back with no UFC to look forward to and at least this past weekend we got Edwards and MVP. The most interesting story of the week was Deontay Wilder with another bonkers one punch KO in his rematch with Ortiz. He gave away rounds looking for the right, but man...he just looked a bit craftier about it. He didn't eat anything that felt too threatening, eventually established his jab and then between the jabs, feints and ceding a bit of ground once in awhile...he lined up that right hand. I feel like Wilder never gets the love he deserves in boxing circles because he's not technically pleasing to watch, but his power is just unbelievable and he honestly has grown a lot from when I started hyping him as a potential Klitschko killer (it's been that long fam).

Anyway, I've got a podcast interview that I think came out great. Here's the link and run down:
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-fans-perspective/e/65509397?autoplay=true

A few months back two of my friends bought a gym. Dane had trained as a boxer his whole life, competing in the NJ Diamond Gloves tournament at one point and Will had spent years learning Gracie Jiu Jitsu. So now a couple of months into their growth, they stopped by and did an interview for my podcast that I think combat sports heads could appreciate...especially if you've ever contemplated becoming an instructor or going further and opening a school. We get into parents of bullied students thanking Dane, awkward situations for BJJ newcomers, Bareknuckle boxing and some MMA striking talk too.


Here's time stamps if yall want to jump around to topics that interest you.
What is Combat Fit Club 3:30 - (the gym my boys opened)
The Bully 6:50 - (Dane and Will were teaching a bullied student without knowing until his mom came in to thank them within weeks of the kid joining)
North South 15:55 - (Awkward BJJ positions for newcomers)
Will's journey 18:45 - (how he became an enthusiast)
Fugazi instructors 22:05 - (McDojo Instructors and the utility of self-defense vs sport training)
Knight vs Lobov 24:25 - (how Dane gained newfound respect for the sport watching Knight's adjustments)
Bare Knuckle Boxing 26:00 - (a broader discussion of BKB from a Boxer's perspective)
Striking in MMA 40:50 - (Now a boxer's perspective on MMA Striking)
Training lil killers 42:10 - (Young students learning to be tough but disciplined)
Jason Knight bathroom brawl 45:45 - (A viral clip of Knight fighting two dudes in a bathroom stall discussed)
Dane has Spidey sense 53:00 - (Dane can spot trouble coming a mile away)
Jhan Boom will call the cops 54:50 - (Jhan Boom is too old to get mixed up in someone else's scraps)
Being real is a disadvantage 55:50 - (the disadvantages and advantages of refusing to play politics or humor people)

I got some questions for you man

Who is Wilder next opponent, is it Fury or the winner of Ruiz & Joshua?

What do you think of Ruiz vs Joshua II, do you think it'll be great fight and worth the hype?

What do you think of matchup of Jon Jones vs Reyes? Some people think Reyes is just meh fighter and just a warm body for Jones. Is Reyes a worthy opponet for Jones?

What's the next Great UFC PPV card, I'm a casual but haven't watched UFC PPV card since McGregor vs Khabib so it's been a while, excited to watch the next great card.

Thanks for your great work!


The Wilder vs Fury fight is already set for Feb 22nd.
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Post#386 » by GEOLINK » Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:24 pm

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Post#388 » by j4remi » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:12 pm

EliteSmarts wrote:I got some questions for you man

Who is Wilder next opponent, is it Fury or the winner of Ruiz & Joshua?

What do you think of Ruiz vs Joshua II, do you think it'll be great fight and worth the hype?

What do you think of matchup of Jon Jones vs Reyes? Some people think Reyes is just meh fighter and just a warm body for Jones. Is Reyes a worthy opponet for Jones?

What's the next Great UFC PPV card, I'm a casual but haven't watched UFC PPV card since McGregor vs Khabib so it's been a while, excited to watch the next great card.

Thanks for your great work!


Hey fam, thank you for the look! It's much appreciated! As for your questions:

I think Wilder's next opponent being Fury made the most sense and it was also really smart to get that signed before Joshua vs Ruiz happens. Ruiz stopping Joshua again would potentially cause a debate about who Wilder should fight and we'd get the "ducking" conversations. For my money, treating Wilder/Fury 2 and AJ/Ruiz 2 (and potentially AJ/Ruiz 3 tbh) as a sort of Heavyweight tournament is the way to build up to a massive final match-up between winners.

I couldn't be more excited about a heavyweight fight than I am for Joshua vs Ruiz. There were rumors that Joshua had gotten knocked out badly in training which may have affected his performance but Ruiz also looks to be in the best shape we've seen him. So both fighters should be coming into this one as improved versions of themselves. I have a hard time picking for it, though I tend to think of AJ as too chinny for someone with the hand speed and power of a Ruiz (or a Wilder for that matter). My best guess is a decision goes to AJ and a finish goes to Ruiz, but with heavyweights you never know.

Jones vs Reyes is getting downplayed a little too hard right now. Reyes is a really good all around fighter with pop in both hands and he's only really had trouble with the freak athlete Oezdemir. That said, what Reyes hasn't shown that makes him downplayed is that one individual skill to lean on and beat Jones. Dom's a jack of all trades type but that's not what we tend to expect will unseat Jones who has basically evolved to a master of all type.

One thing I will say though about Reyes/Jones and this would be true of ANYBODY fighting Jones next. Thiago Santos exposed a potential hole in Jon Jones armor. Bones didn't deal with the leg kicks well at all and that's something a good fighter can mimic to see if Jones has figured out a counter. Dominick actually has some nice leg kicks (not Thiago good but no one's are). I tend to think Jon will have a counter ready, he's incredibly smart. But watching for how he intends to discourage leg kicks going forward is half the fun.

The next absolute bombshell UFC is probably gonna come in April 2020. That would be Tony Ferguson vs Khabib Nurmagomedov in Brooklyn. We don't actually have the rest of the fights yet but Khabib is one of the biggest draws in the sport, Ferguson is one of the most exciting fighters in the sport and the UFC only goes big when they put on a card in NY. So I'm expecting that one to be completely loaded.

A more under the radar but stacked with quality fights card is the upcoming 245 one. That's got three title fights and a hype line-up for the main card altogether:
- The grudge match between Colby Covington and Kamaru Usman for the Welterweight title unification finally happens. The only issue is it's two elite wrestlers and if they cancel each other out, that could get boring.

- Max Holloway is my favorite fighter bar none presently. He defends his belt against Alexander Volkanovski. Both guys throw a ton of volume and Volk represents the next generation after Max successfully cleared the division of the last gen. Alex is shorter but more explosive and quick. Max is extremely savvy and uses his length really well. I expect this one to be super entertaining.

- Amanda Nunes is the GOAT female fighter imo and she's defending her belt against Germaine De Randamie. I hate De Randamie but she's an incredibly gifted striker (she had a mini viral moment when clips of her KO'ing a man in a muay thai fight dropped). It's always fun to watch Nunes and this one's a rematch (Amanda won the first time), so they'll come in a bit more prepared for each other. I think it'll be more competitive than a lot of Nunes' recent match-ups.

- Then Jose Aldo moves down to 135 and fights Marlon Moraes who just fought for the belt. We're talking about to of the fastest power strikers in MMA, hair trigger counter hitters. Aldo was still comfortably top 5 in the stacked 145 and Moraes is probably top 3 in the also stacked 135 lbs division. So this could be fast, it could be a chess match but it's going to be a sight to behold.

- And last the legend, Uriah Faber goes up against the next 135 contender for the belt in my book Peter Yan. Yan is really special, great boxing and striking overall on top of a high level wrestling acumen. Faber brings veteran experience and some tried and true techniques. If he gets you in a choke off a scramble, he can end the fight and if you let him land the overhand right...you've blown it. This is really a great chance to showcase for Yan though, because we know what to expect from Faber.

That card doesn't have the names to pop though. It's one that might not do huge numbers but then after the fact people will talk about it being a good one. The April card will be the true must-see if I had to predict. Khabib vs Tony is special, you don't get dominant guys like that to cross paths at a perfect time. This is their 5th attempt and they've both only become bigger names with bigger resumes after each try.
PG - Morris/Caruso
SG - Booker/Brown/Z.Smith
SF - Culver/Thabo
PF - Saric/ Niang
C - Vonleh/Hartenstein/Gafford

Reserve - Alize
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 244 Nate vs Masvidal at MSG for the BMF belt! 

Post#389 » by j4remi » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:14 pm

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Conor at WW again took me by surprise.


First thing I said when I saw WW...he's gonna gun for Masvidal if he wins. Second thing I said...that's not a good idea. :lol:

It also gives him an excuse to fight Cowboy instead of Gaethje, who just beat Cowboy. Justin's too close to a title shot at 155 to do a WW fight imo.
PG - Morris/Caruso
SG - Booker/Brown/Z.Smith
SF - Culver/Thabo
PF - Saric/ Niang
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Post#390 » by EliteSmarts » Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:48 pm

j4remi wrote:
EliteSmarts wrote:I got some questions for you man

Who is Wilder next opponent, is it Fury or the winner of Ruiz & Joshua?

What do you think of Ruiz vs Joshua II, do you think it'll be great fight and worth the hype?

What do you think of matchup of Jon Jones vs Reyes? Some people think Reyes is just meh fighter and just a warm body for Jones. Is Reyes a worthy opponet for Jones?

What's the next Great UFC PPV card, I'm a casual but haven't watched UFC PPV card since McGregor vs Khabib so it's been a while, excited to watch the next great card.

Thanks for your great work!


Hey fam, thank you for the look! It's much appreciated! As for your questions:

I think Wilder's next opponent being Fury made the most sense and it was also really smart to get that signed before Joshua vs Ruiz happens. Ruiz stopping Joshua again would potentially cause a debate about who Wilder should fight and we'd get the "ducking" conversations. For my money, treating Wilder/Fury 2 and AJ/Ruiz 2 (and potentially AJ/Ruiz 3 tbh) as a sort of Heavyweight tournament is the way to build up to a massive final match-up between winners.

I couldn't be more excited about a heavyweight fight than I am for Joshua vs Ruiz. There were rumors that Joshua had gotten knocked out badly in training which may have affected his performance but Ruiz also looks to be in the best shape we've seen him. So both fighters should be coming into this one as improved versions of themselves. I have a hard time picking for it, though I tend to think of AJ as too chinny for someone with the hand speed and power of a Ruiz (or a Wilder for that matter). My best guess is a decision goes to AJ and a finish goes to Ruiz, but with heavyweights you never know.

Jones vs Reyes is getting downplayed a little too hard right now. Reyes is a really good all around fighter with pop in both hands and he's only really had trouble with the freak athlete Oezdemir. That said, what Reyes hasn't shown that makes him downplayed is that one individual skill to lean on and beat Jones. Dom's a jack of all trades type but that's not what we tend to expect will unseat Jones who has basically evolved to a master of all type.

One thing I will say though about Reyes/Jones and this would be true of ANYBODY fighting Jones next. Thiago Santos exposed a potential hole in Jon Jones armor. Bones didn't deal with the leg kicks well at all and that's something a good fighter can mimic to see if Jones has figured out a counter. Dominick actually has some nice leg kicks (not Thiago good but no one's are). I tend to think Jon will have a counter ready, he's incredibly smart. But watching for how he intends to discourage leg kicks going forward is half the fun.

The next absolute bombshell UFC is probably gonna come in April 2020. That would be Tony Ferguson vs Khabib Nurmagomedov in Brooklyn. We don't actually have the rest of the fights yet but Khabib is one of the biggest draws in the sport, Ferguson is one of the most exciting fighters in the sport and the UFC only goes big when they put on a card in NY. So I'm expecting that one to be completely loaded.

A more under the radar but stacked with quality fights card is the upcoming 245 one. That's got three title fights and a hype line-up for the main card altogether:
- The grudge match between Colby Covington and Kamaru Usman for the Welterweight title unification finally happens. The only issue is it's two elite wrestlers and if they cancel each other out, that could get boring.

- Max Holloway is my favorite fighter bar none presently. He defends his belt against Alexander Volkanovski. Both guys throw a ton of volume and Volk represents the next generation after Max successfully cleared the division of the last gen. Alex is shorter but more explosive and quick. Max is extremely savvy and uses his length really well. I expect this one to be super entertaining.

- Amanda Nunes is the GOAT female fighter imo and she's defending her belt against Germaine De Randamie. I hate De Randamie but she's an incredibly gifted striker (she had a mini viral moment when clips of her KO'ing a man in a muay thai fight dropped). It's always fun to watch Nunes and this one's a rematch (Amanda won the first time), so they'll come in a bit more prepared for each other. I think it'll be more competitive than a lot of Nunes' recent match-ups.

- Then Jose Aldo moves down to 135 and fights Marlon Moraes who just fought for the belt. We're talking about to of the fastest power strikers in MMA, hair trigger counter hitters. Aldo was still comfortably top 5 in the stacked 145 and Moraes is probably top 3 in the also stacked 135 lbs division. So this could be fast, it could be a chess match but it's going to be a sight to behold.

- And last the legend, Uriah Faber goes up against the next 135 contender for the belt in my book Peter Yan. Yan is really special, great boxing and striking overall on top of a high level wrestling acumen. Faber brings veteran experience and some tried and true techniques. If he gets you in a choke off a scramble, he can end the fight and if you let him land the overhand right...you've blown it. This is really a great chance to showcase for Yan though, because we know what to expect from Faber.

That card doesn't have the names to pop though. It's one that might not do huge numbers but then after the fact people will talk about it being a good one. The April card will be the true must-see if I had to predict. Khabib vs Tony is special, you don't get dominant guys like that to cross paths at a perfect time. This is their 5th attempt and they've both only become bigger names with bigger resumes after each try.

I appreciate the excellent knowledge my brother, keep up the great work!
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 244 Nate vs Masvidal at MSG for the BMF belt! 

Post#391 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:33 pm

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Conor at WW again took me by surprise.


First thing I said when I saw WW...he's gonna gun for Masvidal if he wins. Second thing I said...that's not a good idea. :lol:

It also gives him an excuse to fight Cowboy instead of Gaethje, who just beat Cowboy. Justin's too close to a title shot at 155 to do a WW fight imo.


:nod:

Too much money, too much No. 12 and too much whatever else Conor has been indulging in. This guy has lost his edge and mental focus and he's going to fight a guy who always always has that edge and focus, even if he may be beginning the decline of his career.

I'd put some money down on Cowboy.
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Post#392 » by newyorker4ever » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:52 pm

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Conor at WW again took me by surprise.


First thing I said when I saw WW...he's gonna gun for Masvidal if he wins. Second thing I said...that's not a good idea. :lol:

It also gives him an excuse to fight Cowboy instead of Gaethje, who just beat Cowboy. Justin's too close to a title shot at 155 to do a WW fight imo.


:nod:

Too much money, too much No. 12 and too much whatever else Conor has been indulging in. This guy has lost his edge and mental focus and he's going to fight a guy who always always has that edge and focus, even if he may be beginning the decline of his career.

I'd put some money down on Cowboy.


I'm a huge Cowboy Cerrone fan but i'm actually a little worried about him with this fight. Connor has been through a lot of stuff since he's been gone, or should i say that he's gotten himself into a lot of stuff since he's been out, but i don't think Cowboy will be able to handle the power Connor has in that left hand especially if he goes to the body where Cowboy has been hurt by being hit before. He's lost his last two fights and he's obviously getting old for the fight game. Cowboy does have a very underrated ground game so i think it would be smart for Cowboy to get him down but Connor has good take down defense as well so maybe he can land some good kicks on him.
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 244 Nate vs Masvidal at MSG for the BMF belt! 

Post#393 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:03 pm

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First thing I said when I saw WW...he's gonna gun for Masvidal if he wins. Second thing I said...that's not a good idea. :lol:

It also gives him an excuse to fight Cowboy instead of Gaethje, who just beat Cowboy. Justin's too close to a title shot at 155 to do a WW fight imo.


:nod:

Too much money, too much No. 12 and too much whatever else Conor has been indulging in. This guy has lost his edge and mental focus and he's going to fight a guy who always always has that edge and focus, even if he may be beginning the decline of his career.

I'd put some money down on Cowboy.


I'm a huge Cowboy Cerrone fan but i'm actually a little worried about him with this fight. Connor has been through a lot of stuff since he's been gone, or should i say that he's gotten himself into a lot of stuff since he's been out, but i don't think Cowboy will be able to handle the power Connor has in that left hand especially if he goes to the body where Cowboy has been hurt by being hit before. He's lost his last two fights and he's obviously getting old for the fight game. Cowboy does have a very underrated ground game so i think it would be smart for Cowboy to get him down but Connor has good take down defense as well so maybe he can land some good kicks on him.


But you're analyzing the fight as if Conor has been fighting and is battle-tested. What I'm saying is that he's not mentally ready to fight yet because he's still descending downward. He hasn't gotten his life together yet. I think he should've taken an easier warmup fight first. There would be no shame if he had chosen to do that. His mind still ain't right.
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Re: Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 244 Nate vs Masvidal at MSG for the BMF belt! 

Post#394 » by GEOLINK » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:23 pm

Gotta see if Conor has the same power in his left hand after breaking it in sparring.

I'm sure Conor will win the fight.

It's the smart fight for him to take and it's the one he should've taken a year ago instead of coming back after two years to fight Khabib.

If it's true that he's wants to fight Masvidal or Diaz, if he wins this, before he fights Khabib/Tony winner in December, then that's the right path.

Is it wrong for him to leap frog other contenders? Absolutely.

But the only draw in the company has the power to do that.

Just like GSP came back and challenged for the MW title.

I think Dana carefully picked who Conor fights in his comeback unlike willy nilly putting him against someone who is counter his style of fighting like Gaethje or someone else on the rankings would be.
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Post#395 » by GEOLINK » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:27 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:
:nod:

Too much money, too much No. 12 and too much whatever else Conor has been indulging in. This guy has lost his edge and mental focus and he's going to fight a guy who always always has that edge and focus, even if he may be beginning the decline of his career.

I'd put some money down on Cowboy.


I'm a huge Cowboy Cerrone fan but i'm actually a little worried about him with this fight. Connor has been through a lot of stuff since he's been gone, or should i say that he's gotten himself into a lot of stuff since he's been out, but i don't think Cowboy will be able to handle the power Connor has in that left hand especially if he goes to the body where Cowboy has been hurt by being hit before. He's lost his last two fights and he's obviously getting old for the fight game. Cowboy does have a very underrated ground game so i think it would be smart for Cowboy to get him down but Connor has good take down defense as well so maybe he can land some good kicks on him.


But you're analyzing the fight as if Conor has been fighting and is battle-tested. What I'm saying is that he's not mentally ready to fight yet because he's still descending downward. He hasn't gotten his life together yet. I think he should've taken an easier warmup fight first. There would be no shame if he had chosen to do that. His mind still ain't right.

I think the first press conference will be the truth teller on where he's at mentally right now.

I think he's serious this time about his comeback. He's stayed out of the news, outside of stuff he did earlier this year, for the most part and has been in camp training.

Why I say the first press conference? Because if he looks out of it like he did here



Then that means he's not taking Cerrone seriously, which will mean bad things for him.

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