Official 2020 Mets Thread, p. 50

[blueNorange]

I think a big question is what do we do with Dom, He is definitely a starting caliber player who we need to find a position for.

He'll probably be in a trade of some kind. If we package him with Noah, we should get something sweet back.

you're not going to get a starter better than noah via trade or free agency sans cole.

[Stannis]

This how I feel. Who the hell do the Mets get if they were to trade Thor?

Nobody better imo, even if they package him with Dom Smith

EDIT: Thor has two more years of arbitration. Just keep him...

He's in that awkward spot where his trade value is not that high but still has potential.

[HarthorneWingo]

This how I feel. Who the hell do the Mets get if they were to trade Thor?

Nobody better imo, even if they package him with Dom Smith

EDIT: Thor has two more years of arbitration. Just keep him...

He's in that awkward spot where his trade value is not that high but still has potential.

Move Lugo into the rotation. Get back a stud pitcher who’s almost ready and maybe a stud catching prospect to take over for Ramos after next season?

What about trading JD Davis to an AL team that needs a DH and keeping Dominic Smith for LF?

[blueNorange]

This how I feel. Who the hell do the Mets get if they were to trade Thor?

Nobody better imo, even if they package him with Dom Smith

EDIT: Thor has two more years of arbitration. Just keep him...

He's in that awkward spot where his trade value is not that high but still has potential.

Move Lugo into the rotation. Get back a stud pitcher who’s almost ready and maybe a stud catching prospect to take over for Ramos after next season?

What about trading JD Davis to an AL team that needs a DH and keeping Dominic Smith for LF?

how many times are you going to have to be told that lugo as a starter is just an average pitcher vs lugo the reliever is one of the most dominant pitchers in the game. lugo historically is bad 3rd time around, he's had more than enough games to prove this.

4.06 era in 168 innings as a starter
2.52 era in 178 innings as a reliever

lugo is also pitching with a partially torn ucl, that's why his days off are a big deal with him, so you want him to routinely throw 100+ every 5 days?

davis is better than smith with the bat, and has more power that justifies playing his terrible defense in lf whereas with smith, the bat didn't make up for the glove. so you keep davis.

also, who's the stud pitcher? better yet, who replaces the mets best reliever(lugo) after he gets moved to the rotation? if you're going to make terrible takes, at least have a plan with to go along with it instead of saying " trade for a stud pitcher/catcher".

you don't even know the mets have one of the better catching prospects in baseball.

[prolific96]

What sort of package would Boston ask for to get another Mookie in a Mets uniform? Would Dom, Thor and Nimmo get it done? It would give Boston 3 low cost controllable players while they get their payroll in order. Would the coupons even consider dropping 400 million on a player?

[HarthorneWingo]

What sort of package would Boston ask for to get another Mookie in a Mets uniform? Would Dom, Thor and Nimmo get it done? It would give Boston 3 low cost controllable players while they get their payroll in order. Would the coupons even consider dropping 400 million on a player?

I don't know what Boston's money situation is. Usually, it's never a problem but they have Betts and their third basemen who they want to extend. I just don't know if they can afford both?

I would offer the Red Sox Thor, Dom, and JD instead of Nimmo. We need his OBP at the top of the lineup. JD's a DH anyhow.

[mpharris36]

What sort of package would Boston ask for to get another Mookie in a Mets uniform? Would Dom, Thor and Nimmo get it done? It would give Boston 3 low cost controllable players while they get their payroll in order. Would the coupons even consider dropping 400 million on a player?

I don't know what Boston's money situation is. Usually, it's never a problem but they have Betts and their third basemen who they want to extend. I just don't know if they can afford both?

I would offer the Red Sox Thor, Dom, and JD instead of Nimmo. We need his OBP at the top of the lineup. JD's a DH anyhow.

what are the mets doing with cespedes next year.

Nimmo
Betts
Mcneil
Alonso
Conforto
Ramos
Cano
Rosario

that is one hell of a lineup...with cespedes getting ABs as well you could go

Betts
Mcneil
Alonso
Conforto
Cespedes
Cano
Ramos
Rosario

[prolific96]

What sort of package would Boston ask for to get another Mookie in a Mets uniform? Would Dom, Thor and Nimmo get it done? It would give Boston 3 low cost controllable players while they get their payroll in order. Would the coupons even consider dropping 400 million on a player?

I don't know what Boston's money situation is. Usually, it's never a problem but they have Betts and their third basemen who they want to extend. I just don't know if they can afford both?

I would offer the Red Sox Thor, Dom, and JD instead of Nimmo. We need his OBP at the top of the lineup. JD's a DH anyhow.

I was skeptical of Boston's cap concerns but the yankees also spent a couple seasons getting below the tax threshold so maybe there is some truth to it.

Like you I'd prefer to keep Nimmo over JD. The OBP and positional flexibility would be desirable.

With all the good coaching candidates now available, do you think they move on from Callaway?

[prolific96]

What sort of package would Boston ask for to get another Mookie in a Mets uniform? Would Dom, Thor and Nimmo get it done? It would give Boston 3 low cost controllable players while they get their payroll in order. Would the coupons even consider dropping 400 million on a player?

I don't know what Boston's money situation is. Usually, it's never a problem but they have Betts and their third basemen who they want to extend. I just don't know if they can afford both?

I would offer the Red Sox Thor, Dom, and JD instead of Nimmo. We need his OBP at the top of the lineup. JD's a DH anyhow.

what are the mets doing with cespedes next year.

Nimmo
Betts
Mcneil
Alonso
Conforto
Ramos
Cano
Rosario

that is one hell of a lineup...with cespedes getting ABs as well you could go

Betts
Mcneil
Alonso
Conforto
Cespedes
Cano
Ramos
Rosario

That is a hell of lineup with quality depth to boot. For so long the Mets had such an awful offense.

Have to assume Cespedes is with the Mets unless until July. Can't imagine the Mets eating the money necessary to move him.

[HarthorneWingo]

I don't know what Boston's money situation is. Usually, it's never a problem but they have Betts and their third basemen who they want to extend. I just don't know if they can afford both?

I would offer the Red Sox Thor, Dom, and JD instead of Nimmo. We need his OBP at the top of the lineup. JD's a DH anyhow.

what are the mets doing with cespedes next year.

Nimmo
Betts
Mcneil
Alonso
Conforto
Ramos
Cano
Rosario

that is one hell of a lineup...with cespedes getting ABs as well you could go

Betts
Mcneil
Alonso
Conforto
Cespedes
Cano
Ramos
Rosario

That is a hell of lineup with quality depth to boot. For so long the Mets had such an awful offense.

Have to assume Cespedes is with the Mets unless until July. Can't imagine the Mets eating the money necessary to move him.

Cespedes is going to work on his farm and ride his horses next season. Oh, and play golf when no one is looking.

[nyk2017]

This how I feel. Who the hell do the Mets get if they were to trade Thor?

Nobody better imo, even if they package him with Dom Smith

EDIT: Thor has two more years of arbitration. Just keep him...

He's in that awkward spot where his trade value is not that high but still has potential.

They should trade him for Kris Bryant. Both guys need a change of scenery. We could move Lugo to the starting rotation. We would be set with our lineup and starting pitching for the next 3-5 years

[Stannis]

I don't get the point of moving Lugo as a starter? Our bullpen already sucks. And we saw how Lugo does as a starter, which is very average at best. It just doesn't make sense to turn a good reliever into an average pitcher, when you already have 4 starters with upside.

[HarthorneWingo]

I don't get the point of moving Lugo as a starter? Our bullpen already sucks. And we saw how Lugo does as a starter, which is very average at best. It just doesn't make sense to turn a good reliever into an average pitcher, when you already have 4 starters with upside.

The Lugo that struggled a bit as a starter was a couple years ago. I think he's developed a lot since then. Also, he said he wants to be a starter. We'll make other moves to solidify the BP. It'll be an interesting offseason for sure.

Why haven't we fired Callaway yet? All the best managers on the market will be gone by the time Jeff makes up his damn mind.

[blueNorange]

lugo finding success as a reliever doesn't mean he'll have success as a starter, it means his stuff plays better as a reliever.

it's insane how you can't wrap your head around this, and you've yet to say who replaces lugo in the bp.

[HarthorneWingo]

lugo finding success as a reliever doesn't mean he'll have success as a starter, it means his stuff plays better as a reliever.

it's insane how you can't wrap your head around this, and you've yet to say who replaces lugo in the bp.

It's insane that you think players can't develop.

[blueNorange]

lugo finding success as a reliever doesn't mean he'll have success as a starter, it means his stuff plays better as a reliever.

it's insane how you can't wrap your head around this, and you've yet to say who replaces lugo in the bp.

It's insane that you think players can't develop.

except he didn't develop at all, he just maxes out as a reliever.

average fastball and slider as a starter is 91 mph and 85 mph
average fastball and slider as a reliever is 94 mph and 88 mph.

these are huge differences. this is the difference between someone average 7 k/9 as a starter and 10 k/9 as a reliever. it's the difference between wanting an okay player vs one of the best relievers in all of baseball.

but then again you wanted nothing to do with pete alonso, you thought he was all smoke. the great adrian gonzalez was good, dom smith is in his way. L's L's Ls' L's is all you take.

[HarthorneWingo]

lugo finding success as a reliever doesn't mean he'll have success as a starter, it means his stuff plays better as a reliever.

it's insane how you can't wrap your head around this, and you've yet to say who replaces lugo in the bp.

It's insane that you think players can't develop.

except he didn't develop at all, he just maxes out as a reliever.

average fastball and slider as a starter is 91 mph and 85 mph
average fastball and slider as a reliever is 94 mph and 88 mph.

these are huge differences. this is the difference between someone average 7 k/9 as a starter and 10 k/9 as a reliever. it's the difference between wanting an okay player vs one of the best relievers in all of baseball.

but then again you wanted nothing to do with pete alonso, you thought he was all smoke. the great adrian gonzalez was good, dom smith is in his way. L's L's Ls' L's is all you take.

Ok, whatever.

[reub]

Our bullpen sucks. So make our only good relief pitcher a starter. Smh.

[blueNorange]

Our bullpen sucks. So make our only good relief pitcher a starter. Smh.

when we agree on something, you know harthorne is wrong.

[blueNorange]

btw mickey is no lock for next season's job, a lot of beat writers think he's gone.