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Re: OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA 

Post#441 » by matchman » Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:38 am

tuna108 wrote:
matchman wrote:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-protests-usa-idUSKBN1XO2EU

Two senior U.S. senators began a process on Thursday for the U.S. Senate to quickly pass legislation that would place Hong Kong's special treatment by the United States under extra scrutiny, a sign of support for pro-democracy protesters in the Chinese-ruled city.

U.S. Senators Jim Risch, the Republican chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and Marco Rubio, a senior member of the panel, want to pass the "Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act" by unanimous voice vote.

The legislation would require the secretary of state to certify at least once a year that Hong Kong still retains enough autonomy to warrant the special U.S. trading consideration that bolsters its status as a world financial center.
Another difficult day for HK. Stay safe all. Hopefully magically things get resolved for the day.

The potion is used in the case of CUHK, this time seems to be much more difficult.
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Re: OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA 

Post#442 » by matchman » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:00 am

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/20/us-senate-passes-hong-kong-rights-bill-sending-legislation-to-house.html

KEY POINTS

The U.S. Senate, in a unanimous vote, passed legislation on Tuesday aimed at protecting human rights in Hong Kong amid a crackdown on a pro-democracy protest movement that has gripped the Chinese-ruled financial center for months.

Following the voice vote by senators, the “Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act” now goes to the House of Representatives, which approved its own version of the measure last month.

The two chambers will have to work out their differences before any legislation can be sent to President Donald Trump for his consideration.



Thanks USA for standing with Hong Kong, that is a start. Hopefully UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand will be next in line.
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Re: OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA 

Post#443 » by TimRobbins » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:38 pm

matchman wrote:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-protests-usa-idUSKBN1XO2EU

Two senior U.S. senators began a process on Thursday for the U.S. Senate to quickly pass legislation that would place Hong Kong's special treatment by the United States under extra scrutiny, a sign of support for pro-democracy protesters in the Chinese-ruled city.

U.S. Senators Jim Risch, the Republican chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and Marco Rubio, a senior member of the panel, want to pass the "Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act" by unanimous voice vote.

The legislation would require the secretary of state to certify at least once a year that Hong Kong still retains enough autonomy to warrant the special U.S. trading consideration that bolsters its status as a world financial center.


I know you're suffering over there and I empathize, but why do you think that the US should get involved in this? What is the American interest here? Hong Kong is now part of China. That's something that will not change under any circumstance. What does the US gain from this legislation other than further alienating China?
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Re: OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA 

Post#444 » by matchman » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:28 am

TimRobbins wrote:I know you're suffering over there and I empathize, but why do you think that the US should get involved in this? What is the American interest here? Hong Kong is now part of China. That's something that will not change under any circumstance. What does the US gain from this legislation other than further alienating China?


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The tension between US and PRC is much more than Hong Kong matter, it is like a super heavyweight class of wrestling, but unlike USSR, PRC is a pretender while they want to become the only superpower in the world (gradually), by economic and technological weapons. And PRC's own people is living in a 1984-state, this can only expand with the advancing surveillance technology, national blockchain project and the influence will soon go beyond its national border.

So to have Hong Kong going against PRC and willing their way to expose Xi's ambitions in the world, can only help America and also Europe to wake up early, or before it is too late.
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Re: OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA 

Post#445 » by DOLPHIN2020 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:43 am

TimRobbins wrote:
matchman wrote:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-protests-usa-idUSKBN1XO2EU

Two senior U.S. senators began a process on Thursday for the U.S. Senate to quickly pass legislation that would place Hong Kong's special treatment by the United States under extra scrutiny, a sign of support for pro-democracy protesters in the Chinese-ruled city.

U.S. Senators Jim Risch, the Republican chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and Marco Rubio, a senior member of the panel, want to pass the "Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act" by unanimous voice vote.

The legislation would require the secretary of state to certify at least once a year that Hong Kong still retains enough autonomy to warrant the special U.S. trading consideration that bolsters its status as a world financial center.


I know you're suffering over there and I empathize, but why do you think that the US should get involved in this? What is the American interest here? Hong Kong is now part of China. That's something that will not change under any circumstance. What does the US gain from this legislation other than further alienating China?
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Re: OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA 

Post#446 » by blanko » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:30 am

Guys look at the liberals who post here.

They dont care about you.
If they like bernie they dont care about you
Of they like lebron they dont care about you.

No one cares about you. Heck they even belittle your struggle brining up irrelevant subjects.



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Re: OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA 

Post#447 » by blanko » Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:31 am

tuna108 wrote:
TimRobbins wrote:
matchman wrote:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-protests-usa-idUSKBN1XO2EU

Two senior U.S. senators began a process on Thursday for the U.S. Senate to quickly pass legislation that would place Hong Kong's special treatment by the United States under extra scrutiny, a sign of support for pro-democracy protesters in the Chinese-ruled city.

U.S. Senators Jim Risch, the Republican chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and Marco Rubio, a senior member of the panel, want to pass the "Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act" by unanimous voice vote.

The legislation would require the secretary of state to certify at least once a year that Hong Kong still retains enough autonomy to warrant the special U.S. trading consideration that bolsters its status as a world financial center.


I know you're suffering over there and I empathize, but why do you think that the US should get involved in this? What is the American interest here? Hong Kong is now part of China. That's something that will not change under any circumstance. What does the US gain from this legislation other than further alienating China?
You serious or trolling?
Well lets be logical, what does the us gain from this?

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Re: OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA 

Post#448 » by matchman » Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:15 am

blanko wrote:Guys look at the liberals who post here.

They dont care about you.
If they like bernie they dont care about you
Of they like lebron they dont care about you.

No one cares about you. Heck they even belittle your struggle brining up irrelevant subjects.



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This is not surprising indeed.

Liberals can be racist too. Guys who claim themselves as peacemakers would not blink an eye on how bloody horrible the Cambodians are suffering during the Pol Pot days; Bush Sr. and Clintons cannot wait to deal with PRC enormous market after the Tiananmen Massacre. Many Americans back in the 1930s approve or tolerate Nazi expansions.

That's why we need to remind them, it is about them not us. We Hong Kong people could be all torn apart or be smashed under the dragon's claws, but all those noble Westerners will be the next after we fell down. In Lord of the Ring style.
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Re: OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA 

Post#449 » by matchman » Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:21 am

blanko wrote:
tuna108 wrote:
TimRobbins wrote:
I know you're suffering over there and I empathize, but why do you think that the US should get involved in this? What is the American interest here? Hong Kong is now part of China. That's something that will not change under any circumstance. What does the US gain from this legislation other than further alienating China?
You serious or trolling?
Well lets be logical, what does the us gain from this?

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Well, maybe billions of USD and capital from the violating Chinese officials who bet their money is safe to invest in America? And some cute kids/teens as hostage who are the children of those who are abusing the Act?
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Re: OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA 

Post#450 » by blanko » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:38 pm

matchman wrote:
blanko wrote:
tuna108 wrote:You serious or trolling?
Well lets be logical, what does the us gain from this?

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Well, maybe billions of USD and capital from the violating Chinese officials who bet their money is safe to invest in America? And some cute kids/teens as hostage who are the children of those who are abusing the Act?
Its chump change. Not worth the smoke with the prc.

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Re: OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA 

Post#451 » by DOLPHIN2020 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:47 pm

blanko wrote:
matchman wrote:
blanko wrote:Well lets be logical, what does the us gain from this?

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Well, maybe billions of USD and capital from the violating Chinese officials who bet their money is safe to invest in America? And some cute kids/teens as hostage who are the children of those who are abusing the Act?
Its chump change. Not worth the smoke with the prc.

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Sure Mate, you worry about how to bring down Donald Trump and all the wrong he has done to America while we face and fight for issues of survival. Glad the senate and congress have members with a bit wider view of the world.
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Re: OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA 

Post#452 » by blanko » Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:42 pm

tuna108 wrote:
blanko wrote:
matchman wrote:Well, maybe billions of USD and capital from the violating Chinese officials who bet their money is safe to invest in America? And some cute kids/teens as hostage who are the children of those who are abusing the Act?
Its chump change. Not worth the smoke with the prc.

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Sure Mate, you worry about how to bring down Donald Trump and all the wrong he has done to America while we face and fight for issues of survival. Glad the senate and congress have members with a bit wider view of the world.
Is it only me?
Look at the thread, multiple posters dont care. At least i am being logical instead of minimizing the struggle of hong kong.
My replies have been consistent.

Bottom line is this: china could Tiananmen hong kong and no nation in the world would put sanctions on china.

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Re: OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA 

Post#453 » by TimRobbins » Sat Nov 23, 2019 10:02 am

matchman wrote:This is not surprising indeed.

Liberals can be racist too. Guys who claim themselves as peacemakers would not blink an eye on how bloody horrible the Cambodians are suffering during the Pol Pot days; Bush Sr. and Clintons cannot wait to deal with PRC enormous market after the Tiananmen Massacre. Many Americans back in the 1930s approve or tolerate Nazi expansions.

That's why we need to remind them, it is about them not us. We Hong Kong people could be all torn apart or be smashed under the dragon's claws, but all those noble Westerners will be the next after we fell down. In Lord of the Ring style.


Comparing china to Nazi Germany is a completely flawed argument which does nothing to support your cause. China has shown NOTHING to think it has expansionist aspirations. In fact, it has shown everything that is does not. China is extremely averse to using its military power outside of China.

I think there is very little to worry about Chinese tanks rolling through Asia. It's not going to happen.

Like it or not, Hong Kong is part of China and there isn't anybody in the world who is willing to dispute that. Chinese did not occupy Hong Kong by force. I understand and empathize with HK residents' struggle for freedom and democracy, but with all due respect, this is none of the US' business. The US cannot tell China how to rule Hong Kong. We're talking about some extradition law. We're not talking about concentration camps and gas chambers. The US cannot and should not intervene with this.
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Re: OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA 

Post#454 » by Zenzibar » Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:12 pm

Just ran across this as an alternative news outlet of a possibly government destabilizing and provoking effort from abroad.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/11/why-the-hong-kong-riots-are-coming-to-an-end.html#more



Why The Hong Kong Riots Are Coming To An End.

The U.S. sponsored riots in Hong Kong are mostly over. They were sustained much longer than we had expected.

The "marginal violence" campaign of the "pro-democratic" students has failed to win more support for them. Regular Hongkongers are increasingly willing to take a stand against further provocations:

Demonstrators gathered at about 12.30pm on a bridge outside Exchange Square, which houses Hong Kong’s stock exchange in the city’s financial heartland, in another round of lunchtime protests that have been staged most days over the past two weeks.
Scuffles broke out after a pro-police group of about 50 people showed up about an hour later, but police arrived soon after to clear the area.

During at least two altercations between some members of each group, an anti-government contingent yelled “go back to China” at their adversaries, and one of their number kicked a woman walking towards the smaller group.

Ten days ago the core of the black clad rioters began to paralyze Hong Kong's traffic during regular workdays. They ransacked nearly every metro stations and barricaded large thoroughfares and tunnels. Schools were closed, businesses and workers were severely harmed.

One 70 year old street cleaner was killed when he was hit by a stone thrown by the rioters against civilians who tried to remove a barricade. A 57 year old man was drenched with gasoline and set alight after he verbally disagreed with the rioter's ransacking of a metro station. A policeman was shot with an arrow.

The rioters occupied the Chinese University and the Polytechnic University (PolyU) which are next to large streets and the important Cross-Harbor-Tunnel. Using the universities as logistic bases and fortifications they managed to keep many roads closed throughout day and night. After some negotiations with the president of the Chinese University the rioters evacuated from there while leaving some 8,000 petrol bombs behind. They concentrated in the PolyU next to the Cross-Harbor-Tunnel.

That was a mistake.

Last Sunday the police surrounded the PolyU and let no one leave. Those who wanted out were either arrested or, when under 18, identified and handed to their parents. There were several violent battles when the rioters attempted to break through the police cordon but only a few escaped.


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After a few days most of those inside PolyU surrendered to the police.

Today there are still some 30 rioter holed up in a PolyU building. The police are waiting them out. They said that it had made more than a thousand arrests. The university is ransacked and there was significant battle damage. The rioters again left thousands of Molotov cocktails and other weapons behind.

The blockage of the city traffic and the increasing damage caused by rioter vandalism has alienated even those away who earlier supported them. As the police now have most of the core rioters under arrest there is little chance that such violent protests will continue.

On Sunday there will be citywide district council elections in Hong Kong. China had pushed for the elections to go forward under all circumstances. Riot police will guard all polling stations.

Weeks ago the "pro-dem" candidates, who supported the rioters, were still poised to win more seats than they had held before the protests. But they now fear that the general public will punish them for the mayhem they have caused and will choose establishment candidates:

Chinese University political scientist Ivan Choy Chi-keung said while the turnout could set another record, the overall situation was more unpredictable than before.
“The pan-democrats could have won a landslide victory if the elections had been held in the summer, when the protests erupted,” Choy said. “But after the recent clashes at two universities, undecided voters may be worried about public order and be discouraged from voting.

He was referring to fiery battles protesters fought with police outside Chinese University on November 12, followed by more confrontations outside Polytechnic University last week.

“It will be difficult for the camp to win more than half of the seats, as some originally envisaged,” Choy said.

The Hong Kong government has conceded none of the protesters' "five demands". The only thing that the protesters have won is the passing of legislation by the U.S. Congress:

The House of Representatives on Wednesday followed the lead of the Senate in overwhelmingly approving two pieces of legislation: The Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act, which requires the president to annually review the favourable trading status that the US gives to Hong Kong, threatening to revoke it and impose penalties against officials if freedoms are determined to have been quashed; and the Protect Hong Kong Act, which will block the sale of tear gas and other policing items.
The former, although largely symbolic, could alter Washington’s relationship with Hong Kong and Beijing.

US President Donald Trump has a straightforward choice on legislation passed on to him by the United States Congress supporting the protests that have engulfed Hong Kong – approve or veto. Coming amid tough bargaining on his trade war with China, he may be tempted to make his decision part of the negotiations.
...
But Beijing sees such measures as striking at the heart of Chinese sovereignty. Radical protesters could be spurred to greater violence. Unspecified countermeasures are promised should Trump give his approval.
...
But the trade war, violence and legislation have damaged business sentiment in Hong Kong. Approval or not, pessimism and uncertainty have already been deepened. There can be no winners.

Trump wants the trade deal with China and will therefore likely veto the bill:

Speaking on the “Fox & Friends” morning program, the president said that he was balancing competing priorities in the U.S.-China relationship.
“We have to stand with Hong Kong, but I’m also standing with President Xi [Jinping], he’s a friend of mine. He’s an incredible guy, but we have to stand … I’d like to see them work it out, okay?” the president said. “I stand with freedom, I stand with all of the things that I want to do, but we are also in the process of making one of the largest trade deals in history. And if we could do that, it would be great.”

A veto would only have a temporary impact as the law has passed the House and Senate by veto proof majorities.

The idea behind the protests and the rioters In Hong Kong was all along to provoke another Tian An Men incident. This was quite obvious since the start of the protest. It now gets publicly acknowledged:

BBC Newsnight @BBCNewsnight - 11:00 UTC · Nov 19, 2019
“Some of the protesters seem to have an objective to provoke a military confrontation with China. They seem to want a Tiananmen Square outcome as success.”

Fmr Foreign Sec @Jeremy_Hunt says he is “concerned with the tactics” with some of #HongKong’s protesters

Had China moved troops to Hong Kong, or allowed more force to be used against the protesters, the U.S. would have used that to press its allies to put strong sanctions on China. The protesters' violence was designed to achieve that outcome. The plan was part of the larger U.S. strategy of decoupling from China.

The plan failed because China was too smart to give the U.S. what it wanted. Now it is Trump who is under pressure. He needs the trade deal with China because the current trade war is doing harm to the U.S. economy and endangers his reelection.

Which is probably the real reason why the protests have died down.
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Post#455 » by matchman » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:21 am

Zenzibar wrote:Just ran across this as an alternative news outlet of a possibly government destabilizing and provoking effort from abroad.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/11/why-the-hong-kong-riots-are-coming-to-an-end.html#more



Why The Hong Kong Riots Are Coming To An End.

The U.S. sponsored riots in Hong Kong are mostly over. They were sustained much longer than we had expected.

The "marginal violence" campaign of the "pro-democratic" students has failed to win more support for them. Regular Hongkongers are increasingly willing to take a stand against further provocations:

Demonstrators gathered at about 12.30pm on a bridge outside Exchange Square, which houses Hong Kong’s stock exchange in the city’s financial heartland, in another round of lunchtime protests that have been staged most days over the past two weeks.
Scuffles broke out after a pro-police group of about 50 people showed up about an hour later, but police arrived soon after to clear the area.

During at least two altercations between some members of each group, an anti-government contingent yelled “go back to China” at their adversaries, and one of their number kicked a woman walking towards the smaller group.

Ten days ago the core of the black clad rioters began to paralyze Hong Kong's traffic during regular workdays. They ransacked nearly every metro stations and barricaded large thoroughfares and tunnels. Schools were closed, businesses and workers were severely harmed.

One 70 year old street cleaner was killed when he was hit by a stone thrown by the rioters against civilians who tried to remove a barricade. A 57 year old man was drenched with gasoline and set alight after he verbally disagreed with the rioter's ransacking of a metro station. A policeman was shot with an arrow.

The rioters occupied the Chinese University and the Polytechnic University (PolyU) which are next to large streets and the important Cross-Harbor-Tunnel. Using the universities as logistic bases and fortifications they managed to keep many roads closed throughout day and night. After some negotiations with the president of the Chinese University the rioters evacuated from there while leaving some 8,000 petrol bombs behind. They concentrated in the PolyU next to the Cross-Harbor-Tunnel.

That was a mistake.

Last Sunday the police surrounded the PolyU and let no one leave. Those who wanted out were either arrested or, when under 18, identified and handed to their parents. There were several violent battles when the rioters attempted to break through the police cordon but only a few escaped.


bigger
After a few days most of those inside PolyU surrendered to the police.

Today there are still some 30 rioter holed up in a PolyU building. The police are waiting them out. They said that it had made more than a thousand arrests. The university is ransacked and there was significant battle damage. The rioters again left thousands of Molotov cocktails and other weapons behind.

The blockage of the city traffic and the increasing damage caused by rioter vandalism has alienated even those away who earlier supported them. As the police now have most of the core rioters under arrest there is little chance that such violent protests will continue.

On Sunday there will be citywide district council elections in Hong Kong. China had pushed for the elections to go forward under all circumstances. Riot police will guard all polling stations.

Weeks ago the "pro-dem" candidates, who supported the rioters, were still poised to win more seats than they had held before the protests. But they now fear that the general public will punish them for the mayhem they have caused and will choose establishment candidates:

Chinese University political scientist Ivan Choy Chi-keung said while the turnout could set another record, the overall situation was more unpredictable than before.
“The pan-democrats could have won a landslide victory if the elections had been held in the summer, when the protests erupted,” Choy said. “But after the recent clashes at two universities, undecided voters may be worried about public order and be discouraged from voting.

He was referring to fiery battles protesters fought with police outside Chinese University on November 12, followed by more confrontations outside Polytechnic University last week.

“It will be difficult for the camp to win more than half of the seats, as some originally envisaged,” Choy said.

The Hong Kong government has conceded none of the protesters' "five demands". The only thing that the protesters have won is the passing of legislation by the U.S. Congress:

The House of Representatives on Wednesday followed the lead of the Senate in overwhelmingly approving two pieces of legislation: The Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act, which requires the president to annually review the favourable trading status that the US gives to Hong Kong, threatening to revoke it and impose penalties against officials if freedoms are determined to have been quashed; and the Protect Hong Kong Act, which will block the sale of tear gas and other policing items.
The former, although largely symbolic, could alter Washington’s relationship with Hong Kong and Beijing.

US President Donald Trump has a straightforward choice on legislation passed on to him by the United States Congress supporting the protests that have engulfed Hong Kong – approve or veto. Coming amid tough bargaining on his trade war with China, he may be tempted to make his decision part of the negotiations.
...
But Beijing sees such measures as striking at the heart of Chinese sovereignty. Radical protesters could be spurred to greater violence. Unspecified countermeasures are promised should Trump give his approval.
...
But the trade war, violence and legislation have damaged business sentiment in Hong Kong. Approval or not, pessimism and uncertainty have already been deepened. There can be no winners.

Trump wants the trade deal with China and will therefore likely veto the bill:

Speaking on the “Fox & Friends” morning program, the president said that he was balancing competing priorities in the U.S.-China relationship.
“We have to stand with Hong Kong, but I’m also standing with President Xi [Jinping], he’s a friend of mine. He’s an incredible guy, but we have to stand … I’d like to see them work it out, okay?” the president said. “I stand with freedom, I stand with all of the things that I want to do, but we are also in the process of making one of the largest trade deals in history. And if we could do that, it would be great.”

A veto would only have a temporary impact as the law has passed the House and Senate by veto proof majorities.

The idea behind the protests and the rioters In Hong Kong was all along to provoke another Tian An Men incident. This was quite obvious since the start of the protest. It now gets publicly acknowledged:

BBC Newsnight @BBCNewsnight - 11:00 UTC · Nov 19, 2019
“Some of the protesters seem to have an objective to provoke a military confrontation with China. They seem to want a Tiananmen Square outcome as success.”

Fmr Foreign Sec @Jeremy_Hunt says he is “concerned with the tactics” with some of #HongKong’s protesters

Had China moved troops to Hong Kong, or allowed more force to be used against the protesters, the U.S. would have used that to press its allies to put strong sanctions on China. The protesters' violence was designed to achieve that outcome. The plan was part of the larger U.S. strategy of decoupling from China.

The plan failed because China was too smart to give the U.S. what it wanted. Now it is Trump who is under pressure. He needs the trade deal with China because the current trade war is doing harm to the U.S. economy and endangers his reelection.

Which is probably the real reason why the protests have died down.


Well, today is poll day, we will see how it goes. Although it is only a district election, it is still the closest thing Hong Kong can have as universal suffrage. All district council members, more than four hundred will be elected today. Long queues can be found in most districts since 7:30am.

Referring to above article, it has selectively not mentioned anything about the reason behind the increasing violence, which is the overuse of power by Hong Kong Police, as well as incompetence from Hong Kong government, is what makes people so angry. I don't want to speculate the press background, or how much funding or influence they may receive from the shadow CCP-supported corporations or organizations.

Like that of Ukraine, there are quite an increasing immigrants from mainland China each and every day and become permanent citizens. They are in general more inclined to pro-CCP parties, or easily tempted by some small incentives, namely "snake soup, veggie dishes, mooncake and rice dumplings". That plays an important role in any elections.

The pro-democratic audience are most likely home grown people or the first or second generation of the early mainland immigrants (since they came to Hong Kong to escape from CCP suppression after 1949 and before 1997)
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Re: OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA 

Post#456 » by Zenzibar » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:40 am

But the People of Hong Kong are friendly hard working people who don't welcome violence of any kind, irregardless of viewpoints.
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Post#457 » by matchman » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:07 am

Zenzibar wrote:But the People of Hong Kong are friendly hard working people who don't welcome violence of any kind, irregardless of viewpoints.


Yes I agree before this campaign, most of HK people are as apolitical as you can imagine, and almost a dominated majority hated violence.


But out of everyone's surprise, pro-Beijing camp or what they claim as "silent majority", does not go in the way they wish for. Instead it is a landslide blowout.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50531408



Hong Kong's opposition pro-democracy movement has made major gains in the Chinese territory's district council elections, local media reports say.

It took 201 of the first 241 seats declared, according to the South China Morning Post newspaper. Pro-Beijing candidates took just 28.

More than 2.9m people voted, a turnout of more than 71%, against 47% in 2015.

The election was billed as a test of support for embattled Chief Executive Carrie Lam.

Hong Kong's district councillors mainly deal with local issues such as bus routes and garbage collection - however, the polls were widely seen as a test of public opinion on the government's handling of five months of unrest and pro-democracy protests.
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Post#458 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:12 am

matchman wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:But the People of Hong Kong are friendly hard working people who don't welcome violence of any kind, irregardless of viewpoints.


Yes I agree before this campaign, most of HK people are as apolitical as you can imagine, and almost a dominated majority hated violence.


But out of everyone's surprise, pro-Beijing camp or what they claim as "silent majority", does not go in the way they wish for. Instead it is a landslide blowout.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50531408



Hong Kong's opposition pro-democracy movement has made major gains in the Chinese territory's district council elections, local media reports say.

It took 201 of the first 241 seats declared, according to the South China Morning Post newspaper. Pro-Beijing candidates took just 28.

More than 2.9m people voted, a turnout of more than 71%, against 47% in 2015.

The election was billed as a test of support for embattled Chief Executive Carrie Lam.

Hong Kong's district councillors mainly deal with local issues such as bus routes and garbage collection - however, the polls were widely seen as a test of public opinion on the government's handling of five months of unrest and pro-democracy protests.


Congratulations

I hope this buys HK some breathing room and creates some kind of buffer from the PRC
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Re: OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA 

Post#459 » by KnicksGadfly » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:57 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
matchman wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:But the People of Hong Kong are friendly hard working people who don't welcome violence of any kind, irregardless of viewpoints.


Yes I agree before this campaign, most of HK people are as apolitical as you can imagine, and almost a dominated majority hated violence.


But out of everyone's surprise, pro-Beijing camp or what they claim as "silent majority", does not go in the way they wish for. Instead it is a landslide blowout.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50531408



Hong Kong's opposition pro-democracy movement has made major gains in the Chinese territory's district council elections, local media reports say.

It took 201 of the first 241 seats declared, according to the South China Morning Post newspaper. Pro-Beijing candidates took just 28.

More than 2.9m people voted, a turnout of more than 71%, against 47% in 2015.

The election was billed as a test of support for embattled Chief Executive Carrie Lam.

Hong Kong's district councillors mainly deal with local issues such as bus routes and garbage collection - however, the polls were widely seen as a test of public opinion on the government's handling of five months of unrest and pro-democracy protests.


Congratulations

I hope this buys HK some breathing room and creates some kind of buffer from the PRC


I'm a bit pessimistic. Also, there's a crapton of fake news about Hong Kong now in China. Basically, they can spin any victory as Western interference.
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Re: OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA 

Post#460 » by Rasho Brezec » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:43 pm

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