B8RcDeMktfxC wrote: malik959 wrote:
Actually, KP never fulfilled "great" when he was here. Just "very good".
Also, he didn't want to be here, so for once the Knicks were proactive and cleared cap space and got back some assets.
It wasn't all for "KD & KI". Not by a long shot.
It was about cap space and taking a shot, for sure. It was also about making a decision not tying the franchise to KP for the next 5 years, if he wanted to be here or not, and he didn't.
It's almost like this hasn't been discussed over 500 pages or anything.
Yeah, the Knicks may have missed out on a "HOF'er".
It's just as likely they missed out on maxing out another version of Kevin Love.
The Knicks did not
trade KP because we were trying to add KD + KI, the Knicks trading him because they knew he would bolt for nothing "Good Riddense!" I don't want anyone that doesn't want to be here because it starts to show on and off court (Think Lebron). Bad body language destroys team chemistry. KP, especially with his off court issues (Rape allegations was not the only incident ) was becoming more and more of an uncontrolled diva right before our eyes and each one of us saw it so nobody can say "I didn't see that coming. Dude was known for drinking too much, coming on to other guy's girlfriends, and refused to listen to the FO when told to bring it down a notch. He had to go.
MSG spin devotees.
No one knows how KP will turn out this season. Maybe he's crippled forever and is completely worthless (in NBA terms). About 75% of the posters on the board hope that that is what happens. The median outcome is that he's really, really good (and I don't care if you equate that to great or not, 'cos I jdfc), but hasn't had enough reps to learn how to effectively pass out of the double team. That's still a really, really good player. Top 15% outcome is that he's one of the top <name-your-number> players in the league, where <name-your-number> is any integer <= 20.
There's an aspect we'll never know the real story.
IF the guy didn't want to stay, at all, he could become Lebron James X Dirk, and there wasn't sh*t the Knicks could do but trade him and get value. IF that was true, they made the right move.
*How the relationship got there is another story and involves yet MORE guessing, as to who is at fault etc. Another thing we'll never really know.
IF the reason is that KP wasn't a solid citizen, off the court, then that's not really the most solid basketball reason. I'll just discount that as MSG propaganda to make the decision, whatever it was for, more palatable, I guess. Just silly.
IF the reason is, the Knicks weren't sold on KP as a #1 option, but felt he'd be overpaid as a 2nd banana, AND/OR that maybe his injury history made them feel that in either capacity they wouldn't get BOTH max value out of his deal AND that it would handcuff the team moving forward, than that's something that will be up for debate over the next couple of years, in terms of decision making. There are certainly valid reasons to see why a front office might want to hedge AWAY from such a player and there are valid reasons to have that player stay, in terms of roster building etc.
To me, right now, I'm just rehashing things I said immediately after the trade. I can understand the trade; I can understand where it might not work out. Hopefully it won't be like the Melo trade and get re-litigated, as it were, after every good or bad KP game or DSJr trade or who the Knicks drafted or whatever*
*Insert RealGM Knicks bus photo here