Around the Offseason, Take 2

[malik959]

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[GONYK]

Admittedly, I didn't follow Randle's career closely but I do remember when he was with the Lakers that many posters here thought he was was an excellent defender because he could switch easily onto wings. What happened?

He was never excellent. He had just gotten to the point where he wasn't a clear negative. Let's say he was slightly above average.

And that was only when he was playing the 5.

Then I guess I wasn’t referring to you. I know I have an intimate writing style but don’t be fooled by that.

OK.

Those people were wrong

[stuporman]

Wow, Boogie's big body isn't helping him stay healthy. I doubt KD has the same struggle recovering because he's a light body. His burst and quickness might be effected but he's so skilled and tall he'll still be able to produce at a high level even if his body has limitations.... health dependent of course.

[Adelheid]

Holy schit now its reported to be torn acl. Boogie should have taken that 2/40 contract from NO

[Ryusoulger]

I mean some knicks haters would talk(they talk anyway) but the majority would see KD and Kyrie as a turnaround for the knicks organization

The nets were laughed at, stepped on, pushed up, slapped, look at what one average winning season did for us and how the perception changed??

Media speaking the nets are way more respected than the knicks even though we started the decade in a worse situation than y’all

The majority would not see a post-Achilles injury KD and Kyrie as a turn around. Hell, the NYK fanbase in itself was like 50 50 on signing Durant after the injury.

And 80% of the fanbase only wanted Kyrie if it meant getting Durant and 15% did not want him at all. This was before the KD injury. Afterwards, most fans were at peace with Kyrie being a Net.

Just saying, if the NYK fanbase was so split on these two players, I don't see how the majority of the media would be like "great turnaround by the Knicks, they really did it".

I disagree, the Nets, who were considered the little brothers, went from a laughing stock to being taken seriously. The signings of KD and Kyrie would have did wonders for the Knicks but thats past now. The signings the knicks made remind me of the old school NYK. Tough and griddy dudes that can be assets in the future for a star player

[stuporman]

Signing Kyrie and KD would have been a disaster for the Knicks and sure the Nets won the press conference but their fans will get to 'enjoy' their treadmill team for a few years.

[Clyde_Style]

Signing Kyrie and KD would have been a disaster for the Knicks and sure the Nets won the press conference but their fans will get to 'enjoy' their treadmill team for a few years.

Nets got a boost in ticket sales and maybe, just maybe, they'll get one year of playoff fun while KD and Kyrie are healthy at the same time, but they are so unlikely to be a championship caliber team with those two that it won't really matter in the end. The reality will likely be a pale version of the temporary endorphin hit some Nets fans got from signing them.

[Clyde_Style]

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Every clip I see of DSJr looks like so good, I'm now actually hyped to see him this season. His jumper is wet and totally unrecognizable from his past form.

[HarthorneWingo]

Damn Boogie can't catch a break

Maybe he doesn’t keep himself in the shape he needs to be in?

[DOT]

I mean some knicks haters would talk(they talk anyway) but the majority would see KD and Kyrie as a turnaround for the knicks organization

The nets were laughed at, stepped on, pushed up, slapped, look at what one average winning season did for us and how the perception changed??

Media speaking the nets are way more respected than the knicks even though we started the decade in a worse situation than y’all

The majority would not see a post-Achilles injury KD and Kyrie as a turn around. Hell, the NYK fanbase in itself was like 50 50 on signing Durant after the injury.

And 80% of the fanbase only wanted Kyrie if it meant getting Durant and 15% did not want him at all. This was before the KD injury. Afterwards, most fans were at peace with Kyrie being a Net.

Just saying, if the NYK fanbase was so split on these two players, I don't see how the majority of the media would be like "great turnaround by the Knicks, they really did it".

I disagree, the Nets, who were considered the little brothers, went from a laughing stock to being taken seriously. The signings of KD and Kyrie would have did wonders for the Knicks but thats past now. The signings the knicks made remind me of the old school NYK. Tough and griddy dudes that can be assets in the future for a star player

*Are

[DOT]

Signing Kyrie and KD would have been a disaster for the Knicks and sure the Nets won the press conference but their fans will get to 'enjoy' their treadmill team for a few years.

Nets got a boost in ticket sales and maybe, just maybe, they'll get one year of playoff fun while KD and Kyrie are healthy at the same time, but they are so unlikely to be a championship caliber team with those two that it won't really matter in the end. The reality will likely be a pale version of the temporary endorphin hit some Nets fans got from signing them.

I think the Nets have done a very good job of building a team when you consider how bleak they looked just 3 years ago

With that being said, I don't really expect it to work out for them. Like, being real they have a pretty nice squad around Kyrie and KD, lots of very quality role players, but KD's gonna miss all of next year, and Kyrie always has some nagging injury, so for likely almost a quarter of the season their #1 guy is gonna be like, Dinwiddie. Who's a fine player, but isn't close to being a #1. Atkinson is a good coach and can get the most out of his guys, so that won't be super terrible, but it's still not ideal.

Plus, Kyrie doesn't exactly have a great track record as a leader. And then when KD gets back, he won't be the same. I know people like to say, "but it was his right foot," but there's really not that much science to that when you think about it. Like, look at the difference in Gordon Hayward. KD likely will never be the same again, plus there's always gonna be injury concerns especially because he also already broke his right foot.

I think they'll be a good team, but they're gonna struggle to get to the top unless Kyrie goes nuclear or something and KD comes back perfectly fine

[Clyde_Style]

Signing Kyrie and KD would have been a disaster for the Knicks and sure the Nets won the press conference but their fans will get to 'enjoy' their treadmill team for a few years.

Nets got a boost in ticket sales and maybe, just maybe, they'll get one year of playoff fun while KD and Kyrie are healthy at the same time, but they are so unlikely to be a championship caliber team with those two that it won't really matter in the end. The reality will likely be a pale version of the temporary endorphin hit some Nets fans got from signing them.

I think the Nets have done a very good job of building a team when you consider how bleak they looked just 3 years ago

With that being said, I don't really expect it to work out for them. Like, being real they have a pretty nice squad around Kyrie and KD, lots of very quality role players, but KD's gonna miss all of next year, and Kyrie always has some nagging injury, so for likely almost a quarter of the season their #1 guy is gonna be like, Dinwiddie. Who's a fine player, but isn't close to being a #1. Atkinson is a good coach and can get the most out of his guys, so that won't be super terrible, but it's still not ideal.

Plus, Kyrie doesn't exactly have a great track record as a leader. And then when KD gets back, he won't be the same. I know people like to say, "but it was his right foot," but there's really not that much science to that when you think about it. Like, look at the difference in Gordon Hayward. KD likely will never be the same again, plus there's always gonna be injury concerns especially because he also already broke his right foot.

I think they'll be a good team, but they're gonna struggle to get to the top unless Kyrie goes nuclear or something and KD comes back perfectly fine

I think the Nets FO did a bang-up job aside from signing the dynamic duo, Flat Earth & Hobbles

[Ryusoulger]

The majority would not see a post-Achilles injury KD and Kyrie as a turn around. Hell, the NYK fanbase in itself was like 50 50 on signing Durant after the injury.

And 80% of the fanbase only wanted Kyrie if it meant getting Durant and 15% did not want him at all. This was before the KD injury. Afterwards, most fans were at peace with Kyrie being a Net.

Just saying, if the NYK fanbase was so split on these two players, I don't see how the majority of the media would be like "great turnaround by the Knicks, they really did it".

I disagree, the Nets, who were considered the little brothers, went from a laughing stock to being taken seriously. The signings of KD and Kyrie would have did wonders for the Knicks but thats past now. The signings the knicks made remind me of the old school NYK. Tough and griddy dudes that can be assets in the future for a star player

*Are

Were*.

[spree2kawhi]

Damn Boogie can't catch a break

Maybe he doesn’t keep himself in the shape he needs to be in?

He probably doesn't, but bumping knees and tearing an ACL has nothing to do with that though.

[stuporman]

Signing Kyrie and KD would have been a disaster for the Knicks and sure the Nets won the press conference but their fans will get to 'enjoy' their treadmill team for a few years.

Nets got a boost in ticket sales and maybe, just maybe, they'll get one year of playoff fun while KD and Kyrie are healthy at the same time, but they are so unlikely to be a championship caliber team with those two that it won't really matter in the end. The reality will likely be a pale version of the temporary endorphin hit some Nets fans got from signing them.

They built a scrappy team in short order through talent evaluation and good coaching from a pretty difficult situation and then they did the Knicksy thing. They let go of their best young player who lead them to the playoffs and went star chasing on a couple of guys who have their issues.

The KD of the past few years can lead a team in the east to the finals even with just Kyrie surrounded by a well constructed and coached team. Kyrie is a second round exit at best without him but will the Nets ever get anything resembling a prime KD and how long if at all.

[Stannis]

I mean some knicks haters would talk(they talk anyway) but the majority would see KD and Kyrie as a turnaround for the knicks organization

The nets were laughed at, stepped on, pushed up, slapped, look at what one average winning season did for us and how the perception changed??

Media speaking the nets are way more respected than the knicks even though we started the decade in a worse situation than y’all

The majority would not see a post-Achilles injury KD and Kyrie as a turn around. Hell, the NYK fanbase in itself was like 50 50 on signing Durant after the injury.

And 80% of the fanbase only wanted Kyrie if it meant getting Durant and 15% did not want him at all. This was before the KD injury. Afterwards, most fans were at peace with Kyrie being a Net.

Just saying, if the NYK fanbase was so split on these two players, I don't see how the majority of the media would be like "great turnaround by the Knicks, they really did it".

I disagree, the Nets, who were considered the little brothers, went from a laughing stock to being taken seriously. The signings of KD and Kyrie would have did wonders for the Knicks but thats past now.

That's to be determined. But two things are for sure. Knicks FO did not want Kyrie running the locker room while KD was away. This is known. Two, Knicks were very hesitant to offer a KD a max post injury. You don't hear this in the media or from general NBA fans. You just hear, "lol they lost KD and Kyrie to the Nets".

Side note, Nets are still considered "the little brothers" and that's being generous. Every article or piece associates them with the Knicks.

[Stannis]

They built a scrappy team in short order through talent evaluation and good coaching from a pretty difficult situation and then they did the Knicksy thing. They let go of their best young player who lead them to the playoffs and went star chasing on a couple of guys who have their issues.

This is how I feel.

They didn't stay their course. And changed their game plan trying "take the city". That's never going to happen, and I'm not sure why that means so much to them.

[iLLmatic860]

They built a scrappy team in short order through talent evaluation and good coaching from a pretty difficult situation and then they did the Knicksy thing. They let go of their best young player who lead them to the playoffs and went star chasing on a couple of guys who have their issues.

This is how I feel.

They didn't stay their course. And changed their game plan trying "take the city". That's never going to happen, and I'm not sure why that means so much to them.

I think thats media driven tbh. I dont see anybody in real life saying Brooklyn is taking over New York.

[shtolky]

I disagree, the Nets, who were considered the little brothers, went from a laughing stock to being taken seriously. The signings of KD and Kyrie would have did wonders for the Knicks but thats past now. The signings the knicks made remind me of the old school NYK. Tough and griddy dudes that can be assets in the future for a star player

*Are

Were*.

There is a reason why the Knicks are mentioned literally every time someone mentions the Nets. That's not to take away from the fact that the Nets have done a wonderful job coming back from the Boston trade, but it's pretty clear they are still the little brothers of NYC, it's not even close really.

[iLLmatic860]

I disagree, the Nets, who were considered the little brothers, went from a laughing stock to being taken seriously. The signings of KD and Kyrie would have did wonders for the Knicks but thats past now. The signings the knicks made remind me of the old school NYK. Tough and griddy dudes that can be assets in the future for a star player

*Are

Were*.

For somebody to have just “turned the corner” and sign Kd and Kyrie you seem pretty insecure lol