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Re: Around the Offseason, Take 2 

Post#801 » by taj2133 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:36 am

Chemistry could be the Knicks’ big issue more than talent, Randle said. That’s why their get-together in L.A. was crucial. After Labor Day, players start to come to New York for informal workouts as training camp beginning Sept. 30. “It was amazing,’’ Randle said of the L.A. workouts. “Playing 2-on-2, 3-on-3. We got a lot of new guys — we signed seven, we got two rookies RJ [Barrett] and Iggy [Brazdeikis]. It’s important for us to get to know each other, spend time together on the court before training camp starts.”
Julius Randle: “There’s a lot of new pieces. Everyone’s going to be trying to figure out their role. Coach [David Fizdale] is going to do a great job of helping us through that. If we want to be a good team and have a chance, we have to jump-start that process ourselves.”
https://nypost.com/2019/08/24/julius-randle-is-already-attacking-knicks-biggest-issue/
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Re: Around the Offseason, Take 2 

Post#802 » by xNewYorkMadex » Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:01 am

I think the Dwight Howard signing is going to work out for the Lakers.

He still has game left, LeBron will get him the ball in the right places and make his life easier. He really just needs to worry about getting rebounds, which won’t be a problem at all for him, and at least playing average level defense.
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Re: Around the Offseason, Take 2 

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Re: Around the Offseason, Take 2 

Post#805 » by dakomish23 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:07 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
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not while AD is healthy. That guy might be the best big man ever by the time his career is done

Why do people always forget about Shaq, Duncan and Hakeem so quickly? AD and Towns literally have no edge whatsoever.


I didn’t forget about anybody. I watched all those guys play. In the case of Shaq and Duncan, I watched their whole careers.

I didn’t say AD’s there now. I said he could end up being the best ever by the time it’s all said and done. He’s got another 10 years left barring catastrophic injuries. Stick to what was said.

He’s that talented. He just doesn’t have the wins to back it up. The narrative will change dramatically if he starts adding some rings to his resume. It always does. How do I know that? Because it happened for Hakeem and Shaq as they won, along with many others.
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Re: Around the Offseason, Take 2 

Post#806 » by dakomish23 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:08 pm

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spree2kawhi wrote:Why do people always forget about Shaq, Duncan and Hakeem so quickly? AD and Towns literally have no edge whatsoever.

AD is on David Robinson level. Not a bad place to be, but nowhere close to best ever.


David Robinson led his team to the Land of Rings. AD ain't done shyt.


Duncan did. Don’t change history HW




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Re: Around the Offseason, Take 2 

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DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:
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spree2kawhi wrote:Why do people always forget about Shaq, Duncan and Hakeem so quickly? AD and Towns literally have no edge whatsoever.

AD is on David Robinson level. Not a bad place to be, but nowhere close to best ever.

Yeah way to soon for all that


“He could be by the time his career is done.”




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Re: Around the Offseason, Take 2 

Post#808 » by dakomish23 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:18 pm

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dakomish23 wrote:Not sure if already posted

Are We Sure … Karl-Anthony Towns Isn’t the Best Big Man in the NBA?

The Wolves center dominated down the stretch last season. Could he hit an even higher level now that the team is building around him instead of Jimmy Butler?

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Spoiler:
The Wolves center dominated down the stretch last season. Could he hit an even higher level now that the team is building around him instead of Jimmy Butler?

The NBA offseason established a bunch of new story lines that require closer inspection. Throughout the next month-plus, we’re giving second thoughts to the most intriguing ones.

Today’s question: Are we sure Karl-Anthony Towns isn’t already the best big man in the NBA?


Karl-Anthony Towns is 23 years old. He will be 24 for much of the 2019-20 campaign, his fifth season in the NBA. He is just outside the top 10 in NBA MVP futures odds, according to FanDuel, sharing the same odds as Kyrie Irving and Luka Doncic. Depending on how much of a leap Doncic will make in his sophomore season, Towns is the youngest MVP contender in the NBA. Still, his youth—he is only four months older than the Suns’ 2019 lottery pick, Cameron Johnson—belies the exhausting shifts in the way people have reengineered KAT’s narrative and trajectory since his 2015-16 rookie season. Which, if you’ve forgotten, was incredible. He was one of only eight rookies in history to average at least 18 points, 10 rebounds, and 1.5 blocks per game, joining present-and-future Hall of Fame players like Tim Duncan, Shaquille O’Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon, and David Robinson.

He demonstrated unique gifts then—the size, length, and verticality to be an ideal rim protector; the strength to power through fellow centers down on the block; the touch and willingness to extend his range out to the 3-point line; the lateral mobility to one day become an omnipositional defender. It was a foreign combination of skills housed in the frame of a vintage center. But more than that was the idea that his skill set wasn’t just a word cloud waiting to be potentiated—the results were already plain to see. His future, by sheer force of talent, felt predetermined.

Of course, it wasn’t: He was 20 years old. The only thing truly preordained at that age is the swiftness with which attitudes and environments change. Indeed, over the past three seasons, KAT has grown into something else. These days, he’s less Kevin Garnett, more Dirk Nowitzki—a historically good shooter at his position, hidden by his obvious physical gifts. He’s not the all-world defender he flashed the potential of becoming earlier in his career, but he’s developed his offensive game in ways no one could have predicted him to in his lone season at Kentucky—in ways that turn him into a true one-of-one in today’s league.

Unlike either KG or Dirk, though, Towns is playing in an era when teams actually know how to build around an anomalous player. And the Wolves are showing signs that they know what needs to be done to best complement their star. Good timing: Towns’s five-year, $158 million max extension has kicked in and will take him through his age-27 season, the same season Garnett made his first conference final and the year Dirk made his first NBA Finals. For now, youth is still on KAT’s side. And maybe it’s time then, as he enters Year 5 of his career, to start celebrating Towns for what he is rather than what he isn’t.

That player arrived around the time 2019 did. Towns had started to spread his wings after the mid-November trade that sent Jimmy Butler to the Sixers, but he reached a new level after the Wolves fired Tom Thibodeau in early January. In the 37 games Towns played under Wolves coach Ryan Saunders, he averaged 26.8 points (on a ridiculous 54/42/84 shooting split), 12.4 rebounds, 3.7 assists, and 1.3 blocks per game. The most eye-popping figure of the lot might be Towns’s accuracy from 3, hitting 42 percent on nearly five attempts per game. Nowitzki, for what it’s worth, never reached five attempts per game in any season of his career; Towns will almost assuredly surpass it in 2019-20. The second most eye-popping figure might be his assist average, which matches Garnett’s career number. Towns’s ever-expanding perimeter skills slowed the game down for himself, and the space he was suddenly operating in allowed him to flash some dormant creativity as a facilitator.

The Wolves are still asking the world of Towns to bring them back into the playoffs, but for once, they aren’t trying to build a superstructure on top of a lofty idea of what Towns might be; they’re building around the skills he’s already elite at. All the pieces in place at Minnesota now are meant to accentuate Towns’s unique gravity as a sharpshooting, semitraditional big man. The franchise’s confidence in his ability to serve as a primary playmaker for others can be seen in their draft-night moves, trading a point forward in Dario Saric in order to land Jarrett Culver, a Swiss army knife wing who could easily thrive playing under Towns’s auspices in an inverted offensive scheme.

KAT hasn’t quite lived up to his billing as a defensive playmaker after his rookie season, and the Wolves have worked on augmenting his support on that end of the floor with two recent big-men acquisitions in Jordan Bell and Noah Vonleh. Bell cut his teeth on championship Warriors teams as a Draymond Green disciple, moonlighting at center and showcasing his switchability; Vonleh has spent the past few seasons rounding out into a quality role player with the length and mobility to cover a lot of ground on defense.

Minnesota can play big up front, and it can play small, with 3-and-D soldiers like Robert Covington or Jake Layman moving up a position to man the 4. The Wolves have a cadre of players comfortable playing off the ball, cutting and relocating to give Towns the space to either pass, pull up, or drive down the center of the lane. Nikola Jokic is a better passer but even at his most assertive won’t take over a game on offense the same way KAT can; Joel Embiid, Giannis Antetokounmpo, and Anthony Davis all have rightful claims at being better two-way players, but none can shoot nearly as well from distance, which might be just as meaningful to the way teams game-plan around a star.

And that’s where this upcoming season gets interesting for the Wolves. This might just be the year the hype swings all the way back around for their franchise cornerstone. Towns will have not only a sense of continuity, but a sense of agency over the direction of the franchise. They’ve finally gone all in on the actual Karl-Anthony Towns. That’s the biggest change the team could have offered him.


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not while AD is healthy. That guy might be the best big man ever by the time his career is done

AD's not even the best big in the game today. That guy is so overrated, it's unbelievable. I don't care about injuries or how mediocre his supporting cast has been over the years, you can't reach the postseason only twice in your first seven years and be the best big man ever. AD is not KAJ. He's not Shaq, he's not Hakeem, he's not Duncan, and he's not Dirk. Not even close. Closest comparison might be KG and KG made it to the postseason 7 years in a row in Minnesota and his supporting casts were less than impressive.


We’re gonna have to agree to disagree about the opening line. I think without a doubt he’s the best big man in the NBA.

You can’t count last season when they weren’t even playing him to make sure he didn’t get injured. Look at the other seasons. His teams have been ravaged by injuries and terrible management decisions. How are those teams supposed to make it in the buzzsaw that is the West?

Also, I said by the time his career is done. I didn’t say right now. 10 years from now if he adds some rings he’s going to be in the convo at the minimum.




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Re: Around the Offseason, Take 2 

Post#809 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:16 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:AD is on David Robinson level. Not a bad place to be, but nowhere close to best ever.


David Robinson led his team to the Land of Rings. AD ain't done shyt.


Duncan did. Don’t change history HW


Well, then at least David got his team into the playoffs. :lol:
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Re: Around the Offseason, Take 2 

Post#811 » by Chanel Bomber » Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:46 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:Not sure if already posted

Are We Sure … Karl-Anthony Towns Isn’t the Best Big Man in the NBA?

The Wolves center dominated down the stretch last season. Could he hit an even higher level now that the team is building around him instead of Jimmy Butler?

Danny ChauAug 12, 2019, 5:30am EDT

Spoiler:
The Wolves center dominated down the stretch last season. Could he hit an even higher level now that the team is building around him instead of Jimmy Butler?

The NBA offseason established a bunch of new story lines that require closer inspection. Throughout the next month-plus, we’re giving second thoughts to the most intriguing ones.

Today’s question: Are we sure Karl-Anthony Towns isn’t already the best big man in the NBA?


Karl-Anthony Towns is 23 years old. He will be 24 for much of the 2019-20 campaign, his fifth season in the NBA. He is just outside the top 10 in NBA MVP futures odds, according to FanDuel, sharing the same odds as Kyrie Irving and Luka Doncic. Depending on how much of a leap Doncic will make in his sophomore season, Towns is the youngest MVP contender in the NBA. Still, his youth—he is only four months older than the Suns’ 2019 lottery pick, Cameron Johnson—belies the exhausting shifts in the way people have reengineered KAT’s narrative and trajectory since his 2015-16 rookie season. Which, if you’ve forgotten, was incredible. He was one of only eight rookies in history to average at least 18 points, 10 rebounds, and 1.5 blocks per game, joining present-and-future Hall of Fame players like Tim Duncan, Shaquille O’Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon, and David Robinson.

He demonstrated unique gifts then—the size, length, and verticality to be an ideal rim protector; the strength to power through fellow centers down on the block; the touch and willingness to extend his range out to the 3-point line; the lateral mobility to one day become an omnipositional defender. It was a foreign combination of skills housed in the frame of a vintage center. But more than that was the idea that his skill set wasn’t just a word cloud waiting to be potentiated—the results were already plain to see. His future, by sheer force of talent, felt predetermined.

Of course, it wasn’t: He was 20 years old. The only thing truly preordained at that age is the swiftness with which attitudes and environments change. Indeed, over the past three seasons, KAT has grown into something else. These days, he’s less Kevin Garnett, more Dirk Nowitzki—a historically good shooter at his position, hidden by his obvious physical gifts. He’s not the all-world defender he flashed the potential of becoming earlier in his career, but he’s developed his offensive game in ways no one could have predicted him to in his lone season at Kentucky—in ways that turn him into a true one-of-one in today’s league.

Unlike either KG or Dirk, though, Towns is playing in an era when teams actually know how to build around an anomalous player. And the Wolves are showing signs that they know what needs to be done to best complement their star. Good timing: Towns’s five-year, $158 million max extension has kicked in and will take him through his age-27 season, the same season Garnett made his first conference final and the year Dirk made his first NBA Finals. For now, youth is still on KAT’s side. And maybe it’s time then, as he enters Year 5 of his career, to start celebrating Towns for what he is rather than what he isn’t.

That player arrived around the time 2019 did. Towns had started to spread his wings after the mid-November trade that sent Jimmy Butler to the Sixers, but he reached a new level after the Wolves fired Tom Thibodeau in early January. In the 37 games Towns played under Wolves coach Ryan Saunders, he averaged 26.8 points (on a ridiculous 54/42/84 shooting split), 12.4 rebounds, 3.7 assists, and 1.3 blocks per game. The most eye-popping figure of the lot might be Towns’s accuracy from 3, hitting 42 percent on nearly five attempts per game. Nowitzki, for what it’s worth, never reached five attempts per game in any season of his career; Towns will almost assuredly surpass it in 2019-20. The second most eye-popping figure might be his assist average, which matches Garnett’s career number. Towns’s ever-expanding perimeter skills slowed the game down for himself, and the space he was suddenly operating in allowed him to flash some dormant creativity as a facilitator.

The Wolves are still asking the world of Towns to bring them back into the playoffs, but for once, they aren’t trying to build a superstructure on top of a lofty idea of what Towns might be; they’re building around the skills he’s already elite at. All the pieces in place at Minnesota now are meant to accentuate Towns’s unique gravity as a sharpshooting, semitraditional big man. The franchise’s confidence in his ability to serve as a primary playmaker for others can be seen in their draft-night moves, trading a point forward in Dario Saric in order to land Jarrett Culver, a Swiss army knife wing who could easily thrive playing under Towns’s auspices in an inverted offensive scheme.

KAT hasn’t quite lived up to his billing as a defensive playmaker after his rookie season, and the Wolves have worked on augmenting his support on that end of the floor with two recent big-men acquisitions in Jordan Bell and Noah Vonleh. Bell cut his teeth on championship Warriors teams as a Draymond Green disciple, moonlighting at center and showcasing his switchability; Vonleh has spent the past few seasons rounding out into a quality role player with the length and mobility to cover a lot of ground on defense.

Minnesota can play big up front, and it can play small, with 3-and-D soldiers like Robert Covington or Jake Layman moving up a position to man the 4. The Wolves have a cadre of players comfortable playing off the ball, cutting and relocating to give Towns the space to either pass, pull up, or drive down the center of the lane. Nikola Jokic is a better passer but even at his most assertive won’t take over a game on offense the same way KAT can; Joel Embiid, Giannis Antetokounmpo, and Anthony Davis all have rightful claims at being better two-way players, but none can shoot nearly as well from distance, which might be just as meaningful to the way teams game-plan around a star.

And that’s where this upcoming season gets interesting for the Wolves. This might just be the year the hype swings all the way back around for their franchise cornerstone. Towns will have not only a sense of continuity, but a sense of agency over the direction of the franchise. They’ve finally gone all in on the actual Karl-Anthony Towns. That’s the biggest change the team could have offered him.


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not while AD is healthy. That guy might be the best big man ever by the time his career is done

AD's not even the best big in the game today. That guy is so overrated, it's unbelievable. I don't care about injuries or how mediocre his supporting cast has been over the years, you can't reach the postseason only twice in your first seven years and be the best big man ever. AD is not KAJ. He's not Shaq, he's not Hakeem, he's not Duncan, and he's not Dirk. Not even close. Closest comparison might be KG and KG made it to the postseason 7 years in a row in Minnesota and his supporting casts were less than impressive.


We’re gonna have to agree to disagree about the opening line. I think without a doubt he’s the best big man in the NBA.

You can’t count last season when they weren’t even playing him to make sure he didn’t get injured. Look at the other seasons. His teams have been ravaged by injuries and terrible management decisions. How are those teams supposed to make it in the buzzsaw that is the West?

Also, I said by the time his career is done. I didn’t say right now. 10 years from now if he adds some rings he’s going to be in the convo at the minimum.

So were KG's teams until they surrounded him and Wally with Spree and Cassell. The West was stacked then too. I'm not even talking about making noise in the Western playoffs anyway, just leading the Pelicans to the postseason.

We can disagree of course but I think Jokic and Embiid are far more impactful players than Davis. They apply pressure and make opposing defenses collapse in a way that I have yet to see from AD. I also believe they have better intangibles and their impact goes beyond their boxscore numbers. You mention injuries but let's not forget that Jokic kept the Nuggets afloat and even led them to the top of the Western Conference while his team suffered a plethora of injuries last season. Denver had better reserves yes, but it doesn't excuse AD for missing the playoffs entirely so many times (5 out of 7 seasons). They weren't playing AD last year because he made his trade demand public, which means the repercussions were completely self-inflicted so I'm not gonna throw a pity party... I believe they were out of the playoff picture already regardless.

The Pelicans record the past few seasons is more of a reflection of where Jrue ranks among NBA guards, less so AD. That's because Jrue has far more impact on his team winning and losing than AD does, and that in and of itself is an indictment on AD. That's just my theory. AD doesn't make his teammates better and is still far too reliant on his teammates as a scorer. He doesn't dictate pace or control the game offensively. I think he's an elite second option on a championship team, but nowhere near a "best player on a title team" type guy, and that's what it takes to be one of if not the best big ever.

We shall see how things play out in LA. I'm aware he might still reach another level, I just don't see greatness in him.
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Post#812 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:51 pm

taj2133 wrote:Chemistry could be the Knicks’ big issue more than talent, Randle said. That’s why their get-together in L.A. was crucial. After Labor Day, players start to come to New York for informal workouts as training camp beginning Sept. 30. “It was amazing,’’ Randle said of the L.A. workouts. “Playing 2-on-2, 3-on-3. We got a lot of new guys — we signed seven, we got two rookies RJ [Barrett] and Iggy [Brazdeikis]. It’s important for us to get to know each other, spend time together on the court before training camp starts.”
Julius Randle: “There’s a lot of new pieces. Everyone’s going to be trying to figure out their role. Coach [David Fizdale] is going to do a great job of helping us through that. If we want to be a good team and have a chance, we have to jump-start that process ourselves.”
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Kampuchea wrote:Knicks fans need to drink less before making general board threads

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Post#815 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:13 pm

DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:
Kampuchea wrote:Knicks fans need to drink less before making general board threads

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Re: Around the Offseason, Take 2 

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Kampuchea wrote:Knicks fans need to drink less before making general board threads

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