The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread

Post #1941 » by **GONYK** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:40 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:I wanna see DSJ and Frank play together. I think they can be a pretty nice duo

With RJ at the 3...

god shammgod · Post #1942 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:46 pm

the way i see it, 4 guys represent the future of the franchise now.

mitch, randle, rj, and i hate to admit it, dsj

those guys are guaranteed minutes and likely starting roles. the 4 of them growing and playing well offers the best chance to turn the franchise around. whatever happens in training camp is not gonna change that.

Post #1943 » by **GONYK** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:53 pm

god shammgod wrote:the way i see it, 4 guys represent the future of the franchise now.

mitch, randle, rj, and i hate to admit it, dsj

those guys are guaranteed minutes and likely starting roles. the 4 of them growing and playing well offers the best chance to turn the franchise around. whatever happens in training camp is not gonna change that.

But Fiz said keep what you kill!

It's cold blooded that you just sliced Kev out :lol:

god shammgod · Post #1944 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:57 pm

GONYK wrote:
god shammgod wrote:the way i see it, 4 guys represent the future of the franchise now.

mitch, randle, rj, and i hate to admit it, dsj

those guys are guaranteed minutes and likely starting roles. the 4 of them growing and playing well offers the best chance to turn the franchise around. whatever happens in training camp is not gonna change that.

But Fiz said keep what you kill!

It's cold blooded that you just sliced Kev out

not if you watched him :lol:

listen, kev is a year away from being treated like frank by the knicks org. he better be working extra hard this summer.

MaseInYourFace · Post #1945 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:21 pm

GONYK wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
It's not exactly a vote of confidence for DSJr that a PG the FO just signed is being given a shot at starting.

Hey, competition is good, but another way to look at it is, they just told DSJr "Yeah, we're not convinced you should start".

Did they tell Randle he's fighting for a starting job?

“Nobody’s guaranteed no starting lineup, no minutes, none of that. Fiz voiced that. Everyone’s got to earn their minutes and position.”

Read on Twitter

It's genuinely adorable that Knox believes that

He’s young lol

Post #1946 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:13 pm

More fun "fiz thought frank getting consistent minutes last year would cause a natural disaster" facts:

After playing 27.5 MPG in the first 13 games of the season, he only had multiple games in a row of 20+ minutes THREE TIMES.

Post #1947 » by **GONYK** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:18 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:More fun "fiz thought frank getting consistent minutes last year would cause a natural disaster" facts:

After playing 27.5 MPG in the first 13 games of the season, he only had multiple games in a row of 20+ minutes THREE TIMES.

Which is why using the raw MPG stat is misleading.

Post #1948 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:23 pm

GONYK wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:More fun "fiz thought frank getting consistent minutes last year would cause a natural disaster" facts:

After playing 27.5 MPG in the first 13 games of the season, he only had multiple games in a row of 20+ minutes THREE TIMES.

Which is why using the raw MPG stat is misleading.

Of course it is. I'm arguing with someone on twitter how frank didn't get consistent minutes last year and they just keep blindly pointing to his MPG. They either can't read or are nuts, because I've explained it like 5 different ways and they don't get it. It's wild.

god shammgod · Post #1949 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:37 pm

his minutes weren't consistent. he was hurt for some of that time though too. and even though i'm not a huge frank fan like some of you, it never made sense to play muidiay or trey over him. what did we gain from that as a franchise ?

HarthorneWingo · Post #1950 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:41 pm

god shammgod wrote:
GONYK wrote:
god shammgod wrote:the way i see it, 4 guys represent the future of the franchise now.

mitch, randle, rj, and i hate to admit it, dsj

those guys are guaranteed minutes and likely starting roles. the 4 of them growing and playing well offers the best chance to turn the franchise around. whatever happens in training camp is not gonna change that.

But Fiz said keep what you kill!

It's cold blooded that you just sliced Kev out

not if you watched him

listen, kev is a year away from being treated like frank by the knicks org. he better be working extra hard this summer.

MaseInYourFace · Post #1951 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:43 pm

god shammgod wrote:his minutes weren't consistent. he was hurt for some of that time though too. and even though i'm not a huge frank fan like some of you, it never made sense to play muidiay or trey over him. what did we gain from that as a franchise ?

I can agree with that but him playing more wasn’t going to miraculously lead to him learning how to play the point guard position at nba level.

Post #1952 » by **GONYK** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:45 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
god shammgod wrote:his minutes weren't consistent. he was hurt for some of that time though too. and even though i'm not a huge frank fan like some of you, it never made sense to play muidiay or trey over him. what did we gain from that as a franchise ?

I can agree with that but him playing more wasn’t going to miraculously lead to him learning how to play the point guard position at nba level.

Probably would have helped more than not playing him.

MaseInYourFace · Post #1953 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:46 pm

GONYK wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:
god shammgod wrote:his minutes weren't consistent. he was hurt for some of that time though too. and even though i'm not a huge frank fan like some of you, it never made sense to play muidiay or trey over him. what did we gain from that as a franchise ?

I can agree with that but him playing more wasn’t going to miraculously lead to him learning how to play the point guard position at nba level.

Probably would have helped more than not playing him.

At the expense of everyone else on the team?

Post #1954 » by **GONYK** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:46 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
GONYK wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:
I can agree with that but him playing more wasn’t going to miraculously lead to him learning how to play the point guard position at nba level.

Probably would have helped more than not playing him.

At the expense of everyone else on the team?

All those players that aren't here?

MaseInYourFace · Post #1955 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:47 pm

GONYK wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Probably would have helped more than not playing him.

At the expense of everyone else on the team?

All those players that aren't here?

The ones that are here.

Post #1956 » by **GONYK** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:48 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
GONYK wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:
At the expense of everyone else on the team?

All those players that aren't here?

The ones that are here.

Frank at PG was the highest performing lineup we rolled out all season. Seems like he was helping.

Certainly more than Manny, Mario, Burke, Knox, etc...

god shammgod · Post #1957 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:49 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
god shammgod wrote:his minutes weren't consistent. he was hurt for some of that time though too. and even though i'm not a huge frank fan like some of you, it never made sense to play muidiay or trey over him. what did we gain from that as a franchise ?

I can agree with that but him playing more wasn’t going to miraculously lead to him learning how to play the point guard position at nba level.

most likely not but you drafted him high, so let him sink or swim

i don't think i believe this, but it could be that they think they're protecting him by not doing that. they expect him to most likely fail so they're letting him develop for a few years before they try it. the only problem is next year is the last year of his rookie deal and you have to know what you got before then. they're probably just not high on him.

MaseInYourFace · Post #1958 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:51 pm

GONYK wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:
GONYK wrote:
All those players that aren't here?

The ones that are here.

Frank at PG was the highest performing lineup we rolled out all season. Seems like he was helping.

Certainly more than Manny, Mario, Burke, Knox, etc...

Top lineup on a trash team isn’t saying much plus once DSJr came frank wasn’t gonna play over him.

MaseInYourFace · Post #1959 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:51 pm

god shammgod wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:
god shammgod wrote:his minutes weren't consistent. he was hurt for some of that time though too. and even though i'm not a huge frank fan like some of you, it never made sense to play muidiay or trey over him. what did we gain from that as a franchise ?

I can agree with that but him playing more wasn’t going to miraculously lead to him learning how to play the point guard position at nba level.

most likely not but you drafted him high, so let him sink or swim

i don't think i believe this, but it could be that they think they're protecting him by not doing that. they expect him to most likely fail so they're letting him develop for a few years before they try it. the only problem is next year is the last year of his rookie deal and you have to know what you got before then. they're probably just not high on him.

A previous admin drafted him way too high.

god shammgod · Post #1960 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:54 pm

GONYK wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:
GONYK wrote:
All those players that aren't here?

The ones that are here.

Frank at PG was the highest performing lineup we rolled out all season. Seems like he was helping.

Certainly more than Manny, Mario, Burke, Knox, etc...

that has to be a very small sample size but to me that shouldn't even be a real factor. you used a top 10 pick on him, had him for 3 more years and those other guys at point were never gonna be re-signed. that's all you really needed to know.