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Re: Enes Kanter interview with Howard Beck 

Post#21 » by Zenzibar » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:06 pm

Hey Kanter you're still upset cause your minutes were absorbed by this rookie?

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Post#22 » by Hes_On_Fire » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:19 pm

I could already guess the reactions to this interview before opening the thread because 1. It's Kanter, who people have some weird obsession with hating when he's just a role player and 2. He insults the Lord and Savior frontman for JD and the Straightshot.

Kanter is not the first nor the last active/former player to make statements about ownership.
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Post#23 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:12 pm

Hes_On_Fire wrote:I could already guess the reactions to this interview before opening the thread because 1. It's Kanter, who people have some weird obsession with hating when he's just a role player and 2. He insults the Lord and Savior frontman for JD and the Straightshot.

Kanter is not the first nor the last active/former player to make statements about ownership.


I know, it's crazy. He's not even offering up his opinions. He's simply the messenger.
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Re: Enes Kanter interview with Howard Beck 

Post#24 » by god shammgod » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:58 pm

kanter out here dry snitching

“I had no problem with my teammates. I was so cool with my teammates,” Kanter said. “I had a conversation with them. But I am a basketball player going out there to compete, I am going to try to win no matter what. That is just in my blood… And if someone — I’m not telling you the Knicks told me to do this — but if somebody is telling me the opposite, I’m not going to listen. My job is to go out there and play as hard as I can. Because the fans are paying so much money to come and see the game. Especially the Garden. My problem I guess that I wanted to win. Something that didn’t make sense is they told me I’m too old to play, and I was 26, and I was like, that doesn’t make sense. Then they bring in a guy four or five years older than me and they start playing him, I’m like, this doesn’t make sense. We had some stuff going on with the Knicks but I wish them the best.”
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Re: Enes Kanter interview with Howard Beck 

Post#25 » by Capn'O » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:39 pm

god shammgod wrote:kanter out here dry snitching

“I had no problem with my teammates. I was so cool with my teammates,” Kanter said. “I had a conversation with them. But I am a basketball player going out there to compete, I am going to try to win no matter what. That is just in my blood… And if someone — I’m not telling you the Knicks told me to do this — but if somebody is telling me the opposite, I’m not going to listen. My job is to go out there and play as hard as I can. Because the fans are paying so much money to come and see the game. Especially the Garden. My problem I guess that I wanted to win. Something that didn’t make sense is they told me I’m too old to play, and I was 26, and I was like, that doesn’t make sense. Then they bring in a guy four or five years older than me and they start playing him, I’m like, this doesn’t make sense. We had some stuff going on with the Knicks but I wish them the best.”


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Re: Enes Kanter interview with Howard Beck 

Post#26 » by god shammgod » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:52 pm

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god shammgod wrote:kanter out here dry snitching

“I had no problem with my teammates. I was so cool with my teammates,” Kanter said. “I had a conversation with them. But I am a basketball player going out there to compete, I am going to try to win no matter what. That is just in my blood… And if someone — I’m not telling you the Knicks told me to do this — but if somebody is telling me the opposite, I’m not going to listen. My job is to go out there and play as hard as I can. Because the fans are paying so much money to come and see the game. Especially the Garden. My problem I guess that I wanted to win. Something that didn’t make sense is they told me I’m too old to play, and I was 26, and I was like, that doesn’t make sense. Then they bring in a guy four or five years older than me and they start playing him, I’m like, this doesn’t make sense. We had some stuff going on with the Knicks but I wish them the best.”


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Kanter's a nut but the Knicks definitely have a Dolan perception problem. He's not the first to say it.


the article admits that dolan is never really around though. but people, and the media, keep repeating this so it perpetuates.
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Re: Enes Kanter interview with Howard Beck 

Post#27 » by Capn'O » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:58 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:kanter out here dry snitching



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Kanter's a nut but the Knicks definitely have a Dolan perception problem. He's not the first to say it.


the article admits that dolan is never really around though. but people, and the media, keep repeating this so it perpetuates.


Right. And Kanter's point even seems to be that it may be more of a perception because he didn't feel Dolan's presence with the team.

If he doesn't sell, the only way it goes away is for the team to not do stupid **** for a few years and eventually start winning. Seems easy enough, right? Just look at every transaction with the lens that if it's **** stupid you shouldn't do it.
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Post#28 » by prophet_of_rage » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:17 pm

You know he was talking about KD, right?
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Post#29 » by god shammgod » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:28 pm

Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
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Kanter's a nut but the Knicks definitely have a Dolan perception problem. He's not the first to say it.


the article admits that dolan is never really around though. but people, and the media, keep repeating this so it perpetuates.


Right. And Kanter's point even seems to be that it may be more of a perception because he didn't feel Dolan's presence with the team.

If he doesn't sell, the only way it goes away is for the team to not do stupid **** for a few years and eventually start winning. Seems easy enough, right? Just look at every transaction with the lens that if it's **** stupid you shouldn't do it.


it's easy to not do stupid sh*t, it's hard to actually win though. if winning means being a real contender. otherwise everyone would tear it down, wait 3 or 4 years and now they're automatically great. luck is way more a factor than anyone seems to ever recognize when it comes to success in the nba. it's not a coincidence that the only long period of success since the 70s for the knicks came when they got lucky in the ewing draft.

but even if you mean just playing .500 basketball while keeping cap flexibility, that too is hard. because you're constantly changing players and letting guys go. if the clippers couldn't convince okc to part with george, they're in the lottery this year. they'd be a losing team. we might look at this collection of young talent a few years from now and realize that it's not good enough and need to let a lot of them go instead of being capped out and mediocre. we could do nothing stupid and be back down at the bottom. because going back down to the bottom might be smart at that time.

everyone on here seems to think they could run the knicks and be a great success easily but the truth is, it's really hard.
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Re: Enes Kanter interview with Howard Beck 

Post#30 » by Capn'O » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:34 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
the article admits that dolan is never really around though. but people, and the media, keep repeating this so it perpetuates.


Right. And Kanter's point even seems to be that it may be more of a perception because he didn't feel Dolan's presence with the team.

If he doesn't sell, the only way it goes away is for the team to not do stupid **** for a few years and eventually start winning. Seems easy enough, right? Just look at every transaction with the lens that if it's **** stupid you shouldn't do it.


it's easy to not do stupid sh*t, it's hard to actually win though. if winning means being a real contender. otherwise everyone would tear it down, wait 3 or 4 years and now they're automatically great. luck is way more a factor than anyone seems to ever recognize when it comes to success in the nba. it's not a coincidence that the only long period of success since the 70s for the knicks came when they got lucky in the ewing draft.

but even if you mean just playing .500 basketball while keeping cap flexibility, that too is hard. because you're constantly changing players and letting guys go. if the clippers couldn't convince okc to part with george, they're in the lottery this year. they'd be a losing team. we might look at this collection of young talent a few years from now and realize that it's not good enough and need to let a lot of them go instead of being capped out and mediocre. we could do nothing stupid and be back down at the bottom. because going back down to the bottom might be smart at that time.

everyone on here seems to think they could run the knicks and be a great success easily but the truth is, it's really hard.


I'm talking about the latter. If we simply avoid the the Bargs, Timmys, Eddy Currys, and Noahs of the world and hit .500 for a few years I think all the noise about the owner will stop. It did for a minute when Melo was good until we did that Bargs deal.

I get it that running a successful franchise is hard but the Knicks did some really stupid ****. Like REALLY stupid.
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Re: Enes Kanter interview with Howard Beck 

Post#31 » by god shammgod » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:45 pm

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Right. And Kanter's point even seems to be that it may be more of a perception because he didn't feel Dolan's presence with the team.

If he doesn't sell, the only way it goes away is for the team to not do stupid **** for a few years and eventually start winning. Seems easy enough, right? Just look at every transaction with the lens that if it's **** stupid you shouldn't do it.


it's easy to not do stupid sh*t, it's hard to actually win though. if winning means being a real contender. otherwise everyone would tear it down, wait 3 or 4 years and now they're automatically great. luck is way more a factor than anyone seems to ever recognize when it comes to success in the nba. it's not a coincidence that the only long period of success since the 70s for the knicks came when they got lucky in the ewing draft.

but even if you mean just playing .500 basketball while keeping cap flexibility, that too is hard. because you're constantly changing players and letting guys go. if the clippers couldn't convince okc to part with george, they're in the lottery this year. they'd be a losing team. we might look at this collection of young talent a few years from now and realize that it's not good enough and need to let a lot of them go instead of being capped out and mediocre. we could do nothing stupid and be back down at the bottom. because going back down to the bottom might be smart at that time.

everyone on here seems to think they could run the knicks and be a great success easily but the truth is, it's really hard.


I'm talking about the latter. If we simply avoid the the Bargs, Timmys, Eddy Currys, and Noahs of the world and hit .500 for a few years I think all the noise about the owner will stop. It did for a minute when Melo was good until we did that Bargs deal.

I get it that running a successful franchise is hard but the Knicks did some really stupid ****. Like REALLY stupid.


we did do some stupid stuff in the past. no denying. i'm just talking about from here on out. if one or two of these picks don't tun to all-stars and no big time free agent comes, we could be tearing this down in just a couple years again. dotson & trier need to be paid after this year. frank and dennis after the next. and so one. all these free agents we signed have 2 year deals. reaching and maintaining 500 for multiple years isn't a given at all when there's gonna be a lot of roster turnover. not without a young superstar already on board.
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Post#32 » by god shammgod » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:50 pm

you're only attractive at .500 when you have cap space to add someone great. but it's a catch 22, because if you don't add someone great, you have to pay the guys who got you to .500 to stay there and now you're the detroit pistons. so you might have to suck again.
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Post#33 » by Capn'O » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:57 pm

god shammgod wrote:
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it's easy to not do stupid sh*t, it's hard to actually win though. if winning means being a real contender. otherwise everyone would tear it down, wait 3 or 4 years and now they're automatically great. luck is way more a factor than anyone seems to ever recognize when it comes to success in the nba. it's not a coincidence that the only long period of success since the 70s for the knicks came when they got lucky in the ewing draft.

but even if you mean just playing .500 basketball while keeping cap flexibility, that too is hard. because you're constantly changing players and letting guys go. if the clippers couldn't convince okc to part with george, they're in the lottery this year. they'd be a losing team. we might look at this collection of young talent a few years from now and realize that it's not good enough and need to let a lot of them go instead of being capped out and mediocre. we could do nothing stupid and be back down at the bottom. because going back down to the bottom might be smart at that time.

everyone on here seems to think they could run the knicks and be a great success easily but the truth is, it's really hard.


I'm talking about the latter. If we simply avoid the the Bargs, Timmys, Eddy Currys, and Noahs of the world and hit .500 for a few years I think all the noise about the owner will stop. It did for a minute when Melo was good until we did that Bargs deal.

I get it that running a successful franchise is hard but the Knicks did some really stupid ****. Like REALLY stupid.


we did do some stupid stuff in the past. no denying. i'm just talking about from here on out. if one or two of these picks don't tun to all-stars and no big time free agent comes, we could be tearing this down in just a couple years again. dotson & trier need to be paid after this year. frank and dennis after the next. and so one. all these free agents we signed have 2 year deals. reaching and maintaining 500 for multiple years isn't a given at all when there's gonna be a lot of roster turnover. not without a young superstar already on board.


I'll have to see what some of these young cats look like this year to really start talking where we can be in a few years. I think Mitch and likely Barrett and Randle are guys you can pencil as starters on a decent team. It's a good start. But it could very well not look like that at the beginning of the season.

We'll need to keep some guys. A superstar isn't gonna just walk onto a blank slate. For your Clippers example, yes they traded for George and signed Kawhi but their supporting cast is pretty good behind them. AND, btw, they now have an owner that everyone is comfortable with.



But these are different questions. I really do think if we have a few years where you're seeing improvement and we don't sign a **** Tim Hardaway or have another harassment scandal you're just not gonna hear as much Dolan stuff in the media. The repeated stupid **** is what brings us the reputation where people can't help but question the man at the top of it all.
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Post#34 » by BKlutch » Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:41 pm

Kanter likes to see himself -- and likes us to see him -- as a goofy kind of homer. But as much as he tries to generate this type of image, he says and does things that show a lot of intensity of negative feelings. I don't disagree about Dolan, but last year, Kanter was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think his salary kept him tied to the Knicks a year too long.
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Post#35 » by KnicksGod » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:05 pm

There’s something great about the Celtics having this blowhard bum kind of guy, showing off their jersey all over the place.

They should have put it in his contract to not be able to advertise he’s a Celtic this much. Kanter PR machine lol.

Gotta love the guys who don’t know they suck.
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Post#36 » by BKlutch » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:53 pm

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Gotta love the guys who don’t know they suck.


Oh yeah!

And there are a few more like that, but not many who have such a large media presence to display their suckitude.
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Post#37 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:50 pm

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robillionaire wrote:Imagine if he put the same effort that he does into social media and trolling the Knicks and trying to be a wrestler and parlayed all that time into practicing defense or guarding the pick and roll.


He was just reporting what other players have said. They all talk about this stuff amongst themselves. I’m glad he came out and said it. Maybe it’s another nail in Dolan’s coffin which will lead him to sell the team.

If he didn’t care, he wouldn’t have said anything. He did us a favor.

This is the worst possible time for Dolan to sell. We have a competent (or at least rational) FO that’s finally trying to rebuild through the draft and Dolan is not meddling, in fact he seems supportive of that rebuild and we know when the time comes he will be willing to spend dollars. I can live with the occasional embarrassing Dolan appearance in the news if we keep going in that direction. He seems to have learned from his mistakes basketball-wise.

Whoever buys the Knicks will have a huge ego and will try to impose his/her own ignorant vision and will be impatient to compete instantly and to show the world who’s the alpha in this thing. We don’t need another meddling owner ruining what could be a good thing, like what we saw in Houston this summer.

Free agents wouldn’t give a damn about Dolan if we had a winning product. The only reason they didn’t come here (with the exception of Amar’e) is because Miami in 2010 and Brooklyn in 2019 had just made the playoffs while we sucked.


I'm not advocating a sale at this point. I don't think I mentioned anything about that. I'm just supporting Kanter's Truth Bomb. I'm content to build through our youth for the time behind. When we're at the point where we are looking to sign big free agents, then we'll know.
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Post#38 » by dakomish23 » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:52 pm

DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:Well we havent put out a respectable team for over 5 years so of course the ownership gonna get blamed when you keep hiring the wrong people.

Why is this even a thread? Lol Perry and Fiz need to actually prove they can produce a solid basketball team then MAYBE stars will consider but until then nobody gonna wanna play for a tanking team.

If we are already established and producing a winning basketball team then players wont be as skittish as they would be to turn a whole franchise around and be the savior of NY. Thats alot to ask for from a player.


This.

Tyson Chandler came here when he was one of the top FAs. It’s b/c we made the playoffs the year before he came.

I don’t blame Dolan either. We’ve had some mild success with him here. The onus is on the guys making the decisions.
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Post#39 » by dakomish23 » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:58 pm

It’s doesn’t require the greatest front office to avoid the garbage things we’ve done to hamstring our future and to taking advantage of the opportunities that we’ve had.

Things are somewhat better now but we have a long way to go to show people this is a good organization.




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Post#40 » by nedleeds » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:22 am

I thought players didn't want to come if we had made Noah play out his contract so we didn't have a herpes sore on our cap for 3 years? Oh that's right nobody came.

Kanter is full of ****, we'd get free agents if we had good players, or a good front office. Dolan hasn't meddled since firing Phil. Mills and Perry are doing a perfectly good job **** things up without Dolan.

Hey free agents, watch us showcase Mudiay, Mario, and now Scott Perry's next great failure Elfrid Payton!

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