Sam Hinkie for team President

[Richard4444]

For a second, I misread Hankey (South Park) for Knicks President.

It could be an evolution...

[sims]

Perry is fine, although I respect what Hinkie did, you guys can’t stomach a rebuild

is he really, though? i'll give him credit for his cap management so far but in my opinion his talent evaluation leaves a lot to be desired. mitch has been his only saving grace in that regard.

[seren]

Hinkie is garbage. Hard pass

[DaGawd]

It's not even a sure thing to tank any more in this new lotto system.. You might be tanking for years tryna get that transcendent player (s)

[GONYK]

You don't need Hinkie to pull a Hinkie.

The owner is more important than the GM when it comes to that strategy.

[aq_ua]

Hinkie isn't a viable option here, but just to entertain this for a moment.

I think it's a misnomer to say Hinkie = tanking for picks. All he did was identify that teams were undervaluing draft picks and therefore sought to accumulate them. Today, I don't think teams are undervaluing picks, at least as much as they used to, partly because the whole super team phenomena seems to have settled down a bit, and also because rookie contract players have proven valuable as cheap contributors on winning teams.

Today, it's hard to quantify what teams are undervaluing, but young veterans, especially in that second tier star level seem undervalued. If you look at the 2015, only KAT, Turner, Winslow and Booker remain on their original teams, and I would argue most of the other guys have been traded for less than their draft status implies. The prospect of having to pay these guys maximum contracts scares off a lot of teams, so intuitively it makes sense. This year, it'll be the guys that haven't signed and are unlikely to sign extensions from the 2016 and 2017 draft classes that should make interesting trade targets.

A guy like Hinkie would look at the data on player value and make this kind of analysis to help us accumulate assets over time, so to say the lottery rule changes make Hinkie's approach moot is a little misleading.

[bleedblue3303]

wait. how many more assets do we need to collect?

I would honestly say. Tanking this year for a top 5 pick and next year.
If and that’s a big if.
Year three will will have 2 other top 5 picks to pair with RJ to have a respectable 3 and then time to go after free agents. It’s a 3 to 5 year plan


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[bleedblue3303]

It's not even a sure thing to tank any more in this new lotto system.. You might be tanking for years tryna get that transcendent player (s)

That’s not proven. The sample size is too small. U can’t base that off of 1 draft


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[bleedblue3303]

He would trade nearly every young player we have. His belief is that you stay with the "process" until you get a mega superstar, and everyone else fodder. Basically he would want a "Lebron James-Anthony Davis-Zion-etc" level player, and he would keep on tanking until we got one. There is no way he would view RJ Barrett, Mitch Robinson, Knox, or Frank as a franchise superstar, so they would all be moved for more picks. Maybe 1 or 2 would be kept, but only if we didn't get good value for them.

I'm not opposed to that strategy, but it would be painful.

I’m not against this either. I was saying in another thread if we wound up 1 and Gs 2. And they asked for RJ for 2. I do it


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[spree2kawhi]

I think I'd like to do it. At least everybody on the roster really would+could play defense then.

[bleedblue3303]

Podcast with Hinkie. Talking about future outcomes and his time in Basketball

http://investorfieldguide.com/hinkie/

[DaGawd]

It's not even a sure thing to tank any more in this new lotto system.. You might be tanking for years tryna get that transcendent player (s)

That’s not proven. The sample size is too small. U can’t base that off of 1 draft


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I'm just looking at it mathematically. The percentages were flattened enough to make it pretty damn unpredictable who actually wins lottery

[bleedblue3303]

It's not even a sure thing to tank any more in this new lotto system.. You might be tanking for years tryna get that transcendent player (s)

That’s not proven. The sample size is too small. U can’t base that off of 1 draft


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I'm just looking at it mathematically. The percentages were flattened enough to make it pretty damn unpredictable who actually wins lottery

I agree with you. But the truth is you still wind up with top 5 pick at the least. I gladly take any of the top 5 in any draft. Between injury and other factors. The draft is a crap shoot. I want the best position to pick the best pick I can get.

You're a vet on here. I really recommend you listen to the Hinkie podcast I posted. It's on his outlook on life and business. It should apply to the Knicks. he doesn't look at life as a short term answer but whats the best in the long run. He would be the right guy.

If I had it my way .

I make Hinkie President
I don't hate Perry yet. Still TBD
And I hire Mark Few from Gonzaga whose a basketball genius and Master developer.

I leave them alone for 3- 5 years and then judge the job they did.

What do you think?

[bleedblue3303]

one more article why this guy should be the President.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/3/5/17077644/sam-hinkie-philadelphia-76ers-interview

[knicks94]

I would say no to Hinkie.He is just another Sam Presti; has never won anything and is overrated based on having a few ping pong balls go his way. I’d prefer a guy like Pat Riley or Bob Meyers.The Knicks need someone who could build a contender through both the draft and free agency.

[Fat Kat]

This is a case where folks are using the noise surrounding the FO as cover for their terrible ideas. Hinkie didn’t actually do anything that required skill. In retrospect he wasn’t even a good talent evaluator and was a horrible drafter

[Phish Tank]

hinkie wouldn't be able to pull off what he did in Philly here.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Hinkie is not the answer. Patience is. Self accountability is as well. The FO coming out for blood 10 games in its a joke. They brought in 9 new players and saturated the roster with redundancy. Then expect miracles. Fiz is pretty much on my shyt list with his refusal to switch things up. I'll say it again and again....slide Morris/Randle to the 4/5 and go from there. Do something different!!!

[NY 567]

Hinkie and his philosophy won't work as well now that draft odds are down for the worst teams. We picked the worst time to tank/be completely awful. Smart drafting, developing young talent, taking fliers on diamonds in the rough, taking on assets for bad contracts, and trying to build a winning and respectable culture is what we should be doing now.

[Jimmit79]

Hinkie and his philosophy won't work as well now that draft odds are down for the worst teams. We picked the worst time to tank/be completely awful. Smart drafting, developing young talent, taking fliers on diamonds in the rough, taking on assets for bad contracts, and trying to build a winning and respectable culture is what we should be doing now.

Knicks fans have been asking for this way before hinkie the guy stole our gameplan for sixers lol.

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