BallSacBounce wrote:nedleeds wrote:BallSacBounce wrote:You misspelled out in great detail.
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KP's value goes down not playing all year.
His value also goes down when teams realize:
1) Only a few teams can take in that max player
2) Knicks are desperate to move him to accommodate KD+
3) You are still going to have to move Thjr to accommodate KD+ and that will still drag down the value.
Alternatively if you believe KD was not coming now you are still taking back max amount salaries and who would that be? Certainly not better than KP talent wise because his injury concern drains some value. And it was sketchy that KP was going to be THAT guy so why would we want to pay someone lesser than a healthy him max money?
Go read my reply up above that describes and refutes all 4 of your points. I'm not debating that we shouldn't have moved KP. I proved that there was no reason other than nervousness, weakness and pure incompetence that led to events playing out as they did.
But "KP's value goes down not playing all year. " is totally false. Supported by the fact that Dallas didn't play him. He retains his value by not coming back and hurting himself again or looking rusty. The last vision of KP is him dunking on Giannis on his way to the All Star game.
1) Again plenty of teams have matching salary, last summer there were still sour '16's to use for flotsam ... ohhhhhh except the Knicks who stretched theirs for no reason! 6 months too early.
2) That's not a reason, but a flaw of a desperate and inexperienced novice front office. All of the money could have been moved at the draft anyway, if we were willing to ship a 22 year old all-star to dump salary we had the #3 pick in the draft to dump and shed salary, the Hawks for example would have taken Tommy back into their space for the #3 pick in a heartbeat. By then we'd have known KD was cooked anyway so the problem would have been moot. (actually those morons probably still would have accepted one legged almost 33 before he plays KD on a max deal).
I think it's ridiculous to think a player being out the entire year vs. them coming back and showing they're healthy in games does not diminish their value.
A team just happening to have matching contracts does not mean you are getting anybody good back and you are at a huge disadvantage waiting till its obvious to everyone that you're desperate for a trade. Of course his value would be lower if we wait that isn't even a question. Its ONLY higher if he plays and he's healthy, which you said was never gonna happen.
So instead of taking less value back for KP because of including Thjr you want to add RJ to get rid of Timmeh. You didn't make a better trade you just shifted the costs. Hell you just made my point that the value was fine all things considered. His contract was that bad.
Thjr was the real problem that caused lousy value coming our way and all the crying isn't going to make it better. That's also the FO fault but that cake was baked way before.
There's no reason to address anything further. We disagree entirely.
Yeah adding RJ isn't a good thing. You don't want to move RJ to move THj, just so you can get back more for KP.
But "KP's value goes down not playing all year. " is totally false. Supported by the fact that Dallas didn't play him. He retains his value by not coming back and hurting himself again or looking rusty. The last vision of KP is him dunking on Giannis on his way to the All Star game.
It might be true that you could get more but "totally false" rings like you think KP had great value. There were reports that we shopped him for Fox and D.Mitch and, understandably, were declined.
The main thing with the KP trade is that the picks are likely bad unless Luka goes down with an injury. You can still get good players with 20's picks though. But two picks and cap relief, plus a young prospect ... it seems like Cuban was the high bidder but nobody thought the Mavs would instantly become a winner.
