2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2)

[Fat]

While I like hailburton why do we need another guard who is more interested in passing than looking for his shot? Not to say that’s a bad thing but the Knicks desperately need guards who strength in self creating and shooting.

He averages 6 three point attempts per game and isn't shy about launching them from deep or looking to attack and score. He also takes 12 FG attempts per game so he's not your typical pass first PG. There is a great balance to his game.

The efficiency is what's crazy to me

6 three point attempts per at near 42% clip

52% from the field overall and 75% from the FT line

I could see him being a 18-20 PPG / 8 APG / 8 RPG type of guard in the league.

He's actually remarkably similar to SGA statistically. Pretty much has him beat in all basic stats, and is much more efficient to boot. Just launches a ton more threes

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=tyrese-haliburton--shai-gilgeous-alexander

Only major difference in SGA's favor is the massive gap in FT rate. He's not even that much older than SGA was either. So the question is, how high would you take an SGA with a better jumper?

Depends how much faith do you have in him to live up to a SGA type of player their college stats might look similar but SGA is transforming quickly. Burton the better college shooter, SGA had a better form that looked more translatable even if it was a little slow. We now see him showing off his abilities creating on the perimeter and splashing step back 3’s. I don’t really see that with burton I think his mindset is more similar to lonzo balls mostly taking his shots when the defense gives you it.

Hail is a very unselfish player almost to a fault, he prefers to run the offense through his teammates.

[ADeP7]

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What’s the plan at point.
I’m on board with wiseman and like the potential. But man we need a guard

[Fat]

Hailburton is definitely a safe pick though and a solid player. If your the Knicks how much do you value that when you already have no corner stone player?

Shoot for the stars in lamelo, wiseman , Edwards or play it safe with other guys who can play a role for your team but probably won’t be your doncic, trae young, morant etc etc type of player.

[HEZI]

Hailburton is definitely a safe pick though and a solid player. If your the Knicks how much do you value that when you already have no corner stone player?

Shoot for the stars in lamelo, wiseman , Edwards or play it safe with other guys who can play a role for your team but probably won’t be your doncic, trae young, morant etc etc type of player.

What makes Lamelo a shoot for the stars pick but not Haliburton?

Haliburton imo has way more potential

[thebuzzardman]

I'm on board with the Halliburton pick

[3toheadmelo]

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What’s the plan at point.
I’m on board with wiseman and like the potential. But man we need a guard

Take BPA. I know we need a guard in the worst way but we also need talent in the worst way. Take Wiseman if he’s available. Imo, he has the highest ceiling and floor in this draft. Safest choice. If we get Wiseman, try to sign Fred van fleet in the offseason. Or just tank for someone like Cade Cunningham next year.

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[sol537]

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What’s the plan at point.
I’m on board with wiseman and like the potential. But man we need a guard

FVV? Or try to pry Melton away?

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks need players at 4 positions. They could draft just about anyone.

Obviously a guard who can actually drive AND shoot would be nice

[ADeP7]

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What’s the plan at point.
I’m on board with wiseman and like the potential. But man we need a guard

FVV? Or try to pry Melton away?

Problem is that if we go with wiseman we still need our pg and looking to free agency is all well and good but that’s going off the assumption someone would be willing to sign with us.
And I don’t mean the elfrid Payton’s of the world.

[Richard4444]

If we draft Wiseman, what will we do with Mitch? Play him 15 Minutes a game as a reserve? Or trade him for a guard? Who can we get in return for Mitch? Huerter, Sexton, DiVicenzo, Nunn?

[Fury]

If we draft Wiseman, what will we do with Mitch? Play him 15 Minutes a game as a reserve? Or trade him for a guard? Who can we get in return for Mitch? Huerter, Sexton, DiVicenzo, Nunn?

If Wiseman is BPA, then you gotta take him and yes, Mitch hasn't proven to be a starter yet. He can be a super sub.

[RandlesCornrows]

I want Burton over Melo x5

[E-Balla]

If we draft Wiseman, what will we do with Mitch? Play him 15 Minutes a game as a reserve? Or trade him for a guard? Who can we get in return for Mitch? Huerter, Sexton, DiVicenzo, Nunn?

If Wiseman is BPA, then you gotta take him and yes, Mitch hasn't proven to be a starter yet. He can be a super sub.

Mitch is showing his ability to limit fouls the last 20 games (4.4 fouls per 36 in the last 20 while still averaging 2.4 blocks per 36 and 1.7 steals). I think he's clearly showing he can start.

That said there's a big drop in talent from Wiseman to the next best player (Haliburton/Okongwu/Bey/Ball) so he's the only choice if we get the first pick. I'd try to trade Mitch for Haliburton or maybe if we're lucky someone already proven like DLo.

[E-Balla]

I'm bookmarking this topic for the first time in years now. I'm about to get back into draft talk heavy.

[HerSports85]

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[Jstock12]

If there's a guard or a wing with star potential available for the Knicks pick, gotta take him. The big men era is over (Doncic, Young, Morant etc. are the guys who will have the biggest impact in the future, and even now the best players are the guards and the wings).

[Knicksfan1992]

What’s the plan at point.
I’m on board with wiseman and like the potential. But man we need a guard

FVV? Or try to pry Melton away?

Problem is that if we go with wiseman we still need our pg and looking to free agency is all well and good but that’s going off the assumption someone would be willing to sign with us.
And I don’t mean the elfrid Payton’s of the world.

I think if you pay FVV enough he will come... The issue is what is "enough" and is he worth it?

But i also advise highly against taking Wiseman. If a team wants him, then trade down and take the lead guard you believe in the most and grab an extra asset.

[HerSports85]

I’m still on board with Edwards or LaMelo

But if we could some how pull off Wiseman + Haliburton or Hayes. I’ll do it without thinking.

Our hope is that either the warriors or the cavs fall. Those are the only teams I see as a trading partner. The hawks as well if they miss out on the top 3

[DOT]

He averages 6 three point attempts per game and isn't shy about launching them from deep or looking to attack and score. He also takes 12 FG attempts per game so he's not your typical pass first PG. There is a great balance to his game.

The efficiency is what's crazy to me

6 three point attempts per at near 42% clip

52% from the field overall and 75% from the FT line

I could see him being a 18-20 PPG / 8 APG / 8 RPG type of guard in the league.

He's actually remarkably similar to SGA statistically. Pretty much has him beat in all basic stats, and is much more efficient to boot. Just launches a ton more threes

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=tyrese-haliburton--shai-gilgeous-alexander

Only major difference in SGA's favor is the massive gap in FT rate. He's not even that much older than SGA was either. So the question is, how high would you take an SGA with a better jumper?

Depends how much faith do you have in him to live up to a SGA type of player their college stats might look similar but SGA is transforming quickly. Burton the better college shooter, SGA had a better form that looked more translatable even if it was a little slow. We now see him showing off his abilities creating on the perimeter and splashing step back 3’s. I don’t really see that with burton I think his mindset is more similar to lonzo balls mostly taking his shots when the defense gives you it.

Hail is a very unselfish player almost to a fault, he prefers to run the offense through his teammates.

Yeah, that's why I have a hard time putting him in the top 3, even though I'm not a huge LaMelo fan

I just don't know if I see the scoring potential that we need. I think he'd be an excellent fit next to RJ, provides him with good spacing and is a good playmaker in his own right, but he's not gonna carry an offense

[DOT]

FVV? Or try to pry Melton away?

Problem is that if we go with wiseman we still need our pg and looking to free agency is all well and good but that’s going off the assumption someone would be willing to sign with us.
And I don’t mean the elfrid Payton’s of the world.

I think if you pay FVV enough he will come... The issue is what is "enough" and is he worth it?

But i also advise highly against taking Wiseman. If a team wants him, then trade down and take the lead guard you believe in the most and grab an extra asset.

Honestly, if we're in a position to take Wiseman, we should look into seeing what we can get for Mitch and the Mavs picks

Like, if the Warriors fall far enough, I could see them biting on that, then you can have both Wiseman and your PG going into next year, plus RJ

Maybe the Hawks take it? I don't know

Also kind of a sidetrack, but I find it kind of funny that we could've signed FVV as a UDFA in 2016, but we chose his teammate Ron Baker instead. It was kind of like foreshadowing how we could've drafted SGA in 2018 but we chose his teammate Kevin Knox instead