2019-2020 Trades and Transactions Ideas, Part 2

[Jeff Van Gully]

Part 1 here - viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1902834

carry on

[rajajackal]

Personally, I'd love to get Drummond and Rose in here, but only if it means sending out Frank and Mitch.

imagine we birth a new Bad Boy Pistons by sending detroit our two defensive lynchpins

speaking of those two; it's not all doom and gloom, honestly. times are rough. they are. we need to uproot the steve mills wart. the optics of this franchise are nauseating, and our free agency strategy wasn't as smart as we thought it was given the apparent FO mandates to our HC (fiz or miller, we seem to have a pattern with our rotations).

still, if we can hire someone competent, which may be an unrealistic ask for this franchise, but still, if we can...we aren't F'd. a new pres/GM would NOT feel hamstrung building with capspace, picks, and RJ/mitch/frank to start with. tbh if you plug 40% shooters in at guard and forward, those 3 make a sensible starting lineup to grow together.

tl;dr let's not trade everybody in a panic. we need to retain our most valuable players/assets for a new exec to utilize. the current plan is simply worse than the current players are

[robillionaire]

just woke up, have the jagoffs been jettisoned yet

[Jalen Bluntson]

Still the same FO heading into the home stretch. Is everyone as excited as me?

I know in my heart...this will be the look on my face when all is said and done---

[robillionaire]

at this point I'm thinking they just do nothing

[Jalen Bluntson]

at this point I'm thinking they just do nothing

And I'll be like...

[rajajackal]

at this point I'm thinking they just do nothing

And I'll be like...

would be sunken cost, but still better than exacerbating the debt by letting them trade away components that could be used in a more valuable way (on the court or in a trade) by more competent executives

edit: rather than double post, i'll just add this here.

i think that since it appears we are allowing Mills and Perry to end their season with a shred of dignity, the mandate is simple. babyproof the house.

Me As Dolan: "Only Randle, Morris, Payton, Portis, Ellington, Trier, and Allen are available for player trades. You may include Knox and/or DSJ if a 1st round pick is a part of the return."

go forth: follow this simple law, commit no errors, and don't let the door hit you on the way out

[HarthorneWingo]

at this point I'm thinking they just do nothing

If that's the worst case scenario with The Three Stooges, I'm ok with it.

[cgmw]

at this point I'm thinking they just do nothing

And I'll be like...

would be sunken cost, but still better than exacerbating the debt by letting them trade away components that could be used in a more valuable way (on the court or in a trade) by more competent executives

edit: rather than double post, i'll just add this here.

i think that since it appears we are allowing Mills and Perry to end their season with a shred of dignity, the mandate is simple. babyproof the house.

Me As Dolan: "Only Randle, Morris, Payton, Portis, Ellington, Trier, and Allen are available for player trades. You may include Knox and/or DSJ if a 1st round pick is a part of the return."

go forth: follow this simple law, commit no errors, and don't let the door hit you on the way out

Incredibly naive about Dolan (as Dolan)... the real situation is closer to:

“Get me All Stars immediately at any cost ASAP.”

Which is why we’re rumored to want Drummond and Morris on longterm deals. They promised him Durant. They f*cked up. Dolan doesn’t give a single fat sh*t about Knox, Frank, DSJ or Mitch.

[rajajackal]

And I'll be like...

would be sunken cost, but still better than exacerbating the debt by letting them trade away components that could be used in a more valuable way (on the court or in a trade) by more competent executives

edit: rather than double post, i'll just add this here.

i think that since it appears we are allowing Mills and Perry to end their season with a shred of dignity, the mandate is simple. babyproof the house.

Me As Dolan: "Only Randle, Morris, Payton, Portis, Ellington, Trier, and Allen are available for player trades. You may include Knox and/or DSJ if a 1st round pick is a part of the return."

go forth: follow this simple law, commit no errors, and don't let the door hit you on the way out

Incredibly naive about Dolan (as Dolan)... the real situation is closer to:

“Get me All Stars immediately at any cost ASAP.”

Which is why we’re rumored to want Drummond and Morris on longterm deals. They promised him Durant. They f*cked up. Dolan doesn’t give a single fat sh*t about Knox, Frank, DSJ or Mitch.

idk if post-phil jackson dolan necessarily fuels this urgency for there to be all stars on the team. i think that the knicks understandably went for broke knowing KD, the best player in the world at that moment, would be a free agent in the summer. they did not know he would rupture his achilles in the finals, but in any case they whiffed on him. it was a mistake pivoting into PR recovery (which sadly once again won out in the knicks FO) by flexing that they had a detailed Plan B ready to execute as soon as the clock struck. i get why that's something they'd want to exhibit, but it smeared their "commitment" to developing a young team and, because they have failed at their proposed objective by deviating from it, they have to go. the reactionary thing to do is double down on the RJ/mitch core and to only acquire star talent 25 and under. dolan's not a starfucqer, he's just an endless loop of reactionary fixes for his failures. in fact, he's such a damn mess that his loop is not perfectly shaped, so hopefully the pong ball scores at some point...fingers crossed

[cgmw]

would be sunken cost, but still better than exacerbating the debt by letting them trade away components that could be used in a more valuable way (on the court or in a trade) by more competent executives

edit: rather than double post, i'll just add this here.

i think that since it appears we are allowing Mills and Perry to end their season with a shred of dignity, the mandate is simple. babyproof the house.

Me As Dolan: "Only Randle, Morris, Payton, Portis, Ellington, Trier, and Allen are available for player trades. You may include Knox and/or DSJ if a 1st round pick is a part of the return."

go forth: follow this simple law, commit no errors, and don't let the door hit you on the way out

Incredibly naive about Dolan (as Dolan)... the real situation is closer to:

“Get me All Stars immediately at any cost ASAP.”

Which is why we’re rumored to want Drummond and Morris on longterm deals. They promised him Durant. They f*cked up. Dolan doesn’t give a single fat sh*t about Knox, Frank, DSJ or Mitch.

idk if post-phil jackson dolan necessarily fuels this urgency for there to be all stars on the team. i think that the knicks understandably went for broke knowing KD, the best player in the world at that moment, would be a free agent in the summer. they did not know he would rupture his achilles in the finals, but in any case they whiffed on him. it was a mistake pivoting into PR recovery (which sadly once again won out in the knicks FO) by flexing that they had a detailed Plan B ready to execute as soon as the clock struck. i get why that's something they'd want to exhibit, but it smeared their "commitment" to developing a young team and, because they have failed at their proposed objective by deviating from it, they have to go. the reactionary thing to do is double down on the RJ/mitch core and to only acquire star talent 25 and under. dolan's not a starfucqer, he's just an endless loop of reactionary fixes for his failures. in fact, he's such a damn mess that his loop is not perfectly shaped, so hopefully the pong ball scores at some point...fingers crossed

I mean it’s all speculation, but your story seems far too rosy.

What I see is Jim Dolan having no choice after Phil/Melo but to take cover under a false media shield of “rebuilding.” The real mandate is and always has been to fill the roster with the biggest name stars possible.

The public narrative of “rebuild” was exposed as a fraud the day they traded Porzingis (6 months early) for the promise of max cap space.

The sh*tshow panic we’ve seen is the consequence of Dolan’s mandate having no possible course.

[rajajackal]

Incredibly naive about Dolan (as Dolan)... the real situation is closer to:

“Get me All Stars immediately at any cost ASAP.”

Which is why we’re rumored to want Drummond and Morris on longterm deals. They promised him Durant. They f*cked up. Dolan doesn’t give a single fat sh*t about Knox, Frank, DSJ or Mitch.

idk if post-phil jackson dolan necessarily fuels this urgency for there to be all stars on the team. i think that the knicks understandably went for broke knowing KD, the best player in the world at that moment, would be a free agent in the summer. they did not know he would rupture his achilles in the finals, but in any case they whiffed on him. it was a mistake pivoting into PR recovery (which sadly once again won out in the knicks FO) by flexing that they had a detailed Plan B ready to execute as soon as the clock struck. i get why that's something they'd want to exhibit, but it smeared their "commitment" to developing a young team and, because they have failed at their proposed objective by deviating from it, they have to go. the reactionary thing to do is double down on the RJ/mitch core and to only acquire star talent 25 and under. dolan's not a starfucqer, he's just an endless loop of reactionary fixes for his failures. in fact, he's such a damn mess that his loop is not perfectly shaped, so hopefully the pong ball scores at some point...fingers crossed

I mean it’s all speculation, but your story seems far too rosy.

What I see is Jim Dolan having no choice after Phil/Melo but to take cover under a false media shield of “rebuilding.” The real mandate is and always has been to fill the roster with the biggest name stars possible.

The public narrative of “rebuild” was exposed as a fraud the day they traded Porzingis (6 months early) for the promise of max cap space.

The sh*tshow panic we’ve seen is the consequence of Dolan’s mandate having no possible course.

i just can't wrap my head around somebody being so impervious to the widespread consensus that this approach is the primary reason for the knicks' lack of success these last ~20 years

[drekwins]

One thing that I will give this FO credit for is that they leak nothing. The Drummond leaks were obviously from the Pistons side. There's no way to know what they're discussing. They never give a tell. I guarantee there's a lot behind the scenes. Mills and Perry haven't spoken publicly so they have their hopes up for something. They know they must confront the fans at some point so it's obvious that they're trying to create a little bit of goodwill before doing so.

[drekwins]

idk if post-phil jackson dolan necessarily fuels this urgency for there to be all stars on the team. i think that the knicks understandably went for broke knowing KD, the best player in the world at that moment, would be a free agent in the summer. they did not know he would rupture his achilles in the finals, but in any case they whiffed on him. it was a mistake pivoting into PR recovery (which sadly once again won out in the knicks FO) by flexing that they had a detailed Plan B ready to execute as soon as the clock struck. i get why that's something they'd want to exhibit, but it smeared their "commitment" to developing a young team and, because they have failed at their proposed objective by deviating from it, they have to go. the reactionary thing to do is double down on the RJ/mitch core and to only acquire star talent 25 and under. dolan's not a starfucqer, he's just an endless loop of reactionary fixes for his failures. in fact, he's such a damn mess that his loop is not perfectly shaped, so hopefully the pong ball scores at some point...fingers crossed

I mean it’s all speculation, but your story seems far too rosy.

What I see is Jim Dolan having no choice after Phil/Melo but to take cover under a false media shield of “rebuilding.” The real mandate is and always has been to fill the roster with the biggest name stars possible.

The public narrative of “rebuild” was exposed as a fraud the day they traded Porzingis (6 months early) for the promise of max cap space.

The sh*tshow panic we’ve seen is the consequence of Dolan’s mandate having no possible course.

i just can't wrap my head around somebody being so impervious to the widespread consensus that this approach is the primary reason for the knicks' lack of success these last ~20 years

The primary reason for extended failure are:
1) Complete disregard for the salary cap via terrible: signings, extensions and trades.
2) Inability to turn draft picks into net positive/winning contributors while on rookie contracts.
2) Inability to turn draft picks into any value whatsoever (whether via trade or development)
3) Lack of acceptance of the modern game on both ends of the court (the Knicks are constantly targeting 3's, 4's and 5's)
4) Inability to take advantage of available salary cap.
5) Perception of James Dolan

Now, there's several different strategies to turn things around. However, there's this consensus that we should only acquire talent that leads to a 10-15 year window of winning. I think that you have to be careful with this. I think that, if we are able to acquire a 29 year old PG, who offers 3-4 years of high level ball, it would be wise to pursue him. This would help everyones development. For instance, I don't think it would be a terrible move to acquire someone in the mold of a 28 or 29 year old Lowry, Conley, Billups, when considering that their contracts are equal to or less than Randle + Portis. I'd much rather have the PG leader who can allow everyone else to play their games, as they were intended. Not having a PG makes everything disjointed, harder and hurts confidence.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Pistons looking for lottery pick for Derrick Rose?

[NYF13]

One thing that I will give this FO credit for is that they leak nothing. The Drummond leaks were obviously from the Pistons side. There's no way to know what they're discussing. They never give a tell. I guarantee there's a lot behind the scenes. Mills and Perry haven't spoken publicly so they have their hopes up for something. They know they must confront the fans at some point so it's obvious that they're trying to create a little bit of goodwill before doing so.

THIS!!!!

[NYF13]

I am thinking that NYK will bring a vet PG in the system. JRUE and Reggie Jackson and Dennis Schroeder are obvious candidates.

2021 Season

PG - Vet / 2nd rounder / Ist rounder (if they don’t get that top 2 pick) / Frank
SG - Edwards/RJ/Bullock
SF - RJ/Morris
PF - Randle/Morris/Knox
C - Wiseman / Mitch / Taj

Ideally, I would love to see either

JRUE-EDWARDS-RJ-MORRIS- MITCH Lineup; or
JRUE-RJ-MORRIS-RANDLE-WISEMAN

[drekwins]

I am thinking that NYK will bring a vet PG in the system. JRUE and Reggie Jackson and Dennis Schroeder are obvious candidates.

2021 Season

PG - Vet / 2nd rounder / Ist rounder (if they don’t get that top 2 pick) / Frank
SG - Edwards/RJ/Bullock
SF - RJ/Morris
PF - Randle/Morris/Knox
C - Wiseman / Mitch / Taj

Ideally, I would love to see either

JRUE-EDWARDS-RJ-MORRIS- MITCH Lineup; or
JRUE-RJ-MORRIS-RANDLE-WISEMAN

Schroeder just isn't good enough. If they're going to give up an asset, they need it to be a good player. Brogdon was a big miss for us. He could have been a great signing. Going forward, I dpn't think that it would be a bad idea to look at sidekicks of great PGs and/or SGs. For instance, McCollum may be an answer and able to elevate his game. Hield was just moved to the bench and may be available (Walton really likes Randle). DLO could be a target to try and attract KAT. Dragic could be a short term plug. Lavine and Beal are also obvious potential options.

No matter what, our guards are a joke. We need lots of higher-level talent in our backcourt.

[Orange Mamba]

According to Bondy

Even without a Morris deal, the Knicks could still be active before the trade deadline. Dennis Smith Jr. is hopeful for a relocation, according to a source, and it was believed the Timberwolves were the prime suitors before they traded Jeff Teague. One thing to keep in mind: the Knicks are looking for a point guard and, according to a source, are high on OKC’s Dennis Schroder.

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/knicks-interested-in-dennis-schroeder/

[mpharris36]

According to Bondy

Even without a Morris deal, the Knicks could still be active before the trade deadline. Dennis Smith Jr. is hopeful for a relocation, according to a source, and it was believed the Timberwolves were the prime suitors before they traded Jeff Teague. One thing to keep in mind: the Knicks are looking for a point guard and, according to a source, are high on OKC’s Dennis Schroder.

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/knicks-interested-in-dennis-schroeder/