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thebuzzardman wrote:Personally, I'd love to get Drummond and Rose in here, but only if it means sending out Frank and Mitch.

robillionaire wrote:at this point I'm thinking they just do nothing

Are We Ther Yet wrote:

robillionaire wrote:at this point I'm thinking they just do nothing

And I'll be like...

robillionaire wrote:at this point I'm thinking they just do nothing

rajajackal wrote:

Are We Ther Yet wrote:

robillionaire wrote:at this point I'm thinking they just do nothing

And I'll be like...

would be sunken cost, but still better than exacerbating the debt by letting them trade away components that could be used in a more valuable way (on the court or in a trade) by more competent executives

edit: rather than double post, i'll just add this here.

i think that since it appears we are allowing Mills and Perry to end their season with a shred of dignity, the mandate is simple. babyproof the house.

Me As Dolan: "Only Randle, Morris, Payton, Portis, Ellington, Trier, and Allen are available for player trades. You may include Knox and/or DSJ if a 1st round pick is a part of the return."

go forth: follow this simple law, commit no errors, and don't let the door hit you on the way out

cgmw wrote:

rajajackal wrote:

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
And I'll be like...

would be sunken cost, but still better than exacerbating the debt by letting them trade away components that could be used in a more valuable way (on the court or in a trade) by more competent executives

edit: rather than double post, i'll just add this here.

i think that since it appears we are allowing Mills and Perry to end their season with a shred of dignity, the mandate is simple. babyproof the house.

Me As Dolan: "Only Randle, Morris, Payton, Portis, Ellington, Trier, and Allen are available for player trades. You may include Knox and/or DSJ if a 1st round pick is a part of the return."

go forth: follow this simple law, commit no errors, and don't let the door hit you on the way out

Incredibly naive about Dolan (as Dolan)... the real situation is closer to:

“Get me All Stars immediately at any cost ASAP.”

Which is why we’re rumored to want Drummond and Morris on longterm deals. They promised him Durant. They f*cked up. Dolan doesn’t give a single fat sh*t about Knox, Frank, DSJ or Mitch.

rajajackal wrote:

cgmw wrote:

rajajackal wrote:
would be sunken cost, but still better than exacerbating the debt by letting them trade away components that could be used in a more valuable way (on the court or in a trade) by more competent executives

edit: rather than double post, i'll just add this here.

i think that since it appears we are allowing Mills and Perry to end their season with a shred of dignity, the mandate is simple. babyproof the house.

Me As Dolan: "Only Randle, Morris, Payton, Portis, Ellington, Trier, and Allen are available for player trades. You may include Knox and/or DSJ if a 1st round pick is a part of the return."

go forth: follow this simple law, commit no errors, and don't let the door hit you on the way out

Incredibly naive about Dolan (as Dolan)... the real situation is closer to:

“Get me All Stars immediately at any cost ASAP.”

Which is why we’re rumored to want Drummond and Morris on longterm deals. They promised him Durant. They f*cked up. Dolan doesn’t give a single fat sh*t about Knox, Frank, DSJ or Mitch.

idk if post-phil jackson dolan necessarily fuels this urgency for there to be all stars on the team. i think that the knicks understandably went for broke knowing KD, the best player in the world at that moment, would be a free agent in the summer. they did not know he would rupture his achilles in the finals, but in any case they whiffed on him. it was a mistake pivoting into PR recovery (which sadly once again won out in the knicks FO) by flexing that they had a detailed Plan B ready to execute as soon as the clock struck. i get why that's something they'd want to exhibit, but it smeared their "commitment" to developing a young team and, because they have failed at their proposed objective by deviating from it, they have to go. the reactionary thing to do is double down on the RJ/mitch core and to only acquire star talent 25 and under. dolan's not a starfucqer, he's just an endless loop of reactionary fixes for his failures. in fact, he's such a damn mess that his loop is not perfectly shaped, so hopefully the pong ball scores at some point...fingers crossed

cgmw wrote:

rajajackal wrote:

cgmw wrote:Incredibly naive about Dolan (as Dolan)... the real situation is closer to:

“Get me All Stars immediately at any cost ASAP.”

Which is why we’re rumored to want Drummond and Morris on longterm deals. They promised him Durant. They f*cked up. Dolan doesn’t give a single fat sh*t about Knox, Frank, DSJ or Mitch.

idk if post-phil jackson dolan necessarily fuels this urgency for there to be all stars on the team. i think that the knicks understandably went for broke knowing KD, the best player in the world at that moment, would be a free agent in the summer. they did not know he would rupture his achilles in the finals, but in any case they whiffed on him. it was a mistake pivoting into PR recovery (which sadly once again won out in the knicks FO) by flexing that they had a detailed Plan B ready to execute as soon as the clock struck. i get why that's something they'd want to exhibit, but it smeared their "commitment" to developing a young team and, because they have failed at their proposed objective by deviating from it, they have to go. the reactionary thing to do is double down on the RJ/mitch core and to only acquire star talent 25 and under. dolan's not a starfucqer, he's just an endless loop of reactionary fixes for his failures. in fact, he's such a damn mess that his loop is not perfectly shaped, so hopefully the pong ball scores at some point...fingers crossed

I mean it’s all speculation, but your story seems far too rosy.

What I see is Jim Dolan having no choice after Phil/Melo but to take cover under a false media shield of “rebuilding.” The real mandate is and always has been to fill the roster with the biggest name stars possible.

The public narrative of “rebuild” was exposed as a fraud the day they traded Porzingis (6 months early) for the promise of max cap space.

The sh*tshow panic we’ve seen is the consequence of Dolan’s mandate having no possible course.

rajajackal wrote:

cgmw wrote:

rajajackal wrote:
idk if post-phil jackson dolan necessarily fuels this urgency for there to be all stars on the team. i think that the knicks understandably went for broke knowing KD, the best player in the world at that moment, would be a free agent in the summer. they did not know he would rupture his achilles in the finals, but in any case they whiffed on him. it was a mistake pivoting into PR recovery (which sadly once again won out in the knicks FO) by flexing that they had a detailed Plan B ready to execute as soon as the clock struck. i get why that's something they'd want to exhibit, but it smeared their "commitment" to developing a young team and, because they have failed at their proposed objective by deviating from it, they have to go. the reactionary thing to do is double down on the RJ/mitch core and to only acquire star talent 25 and under. dolan's not a starfucqer, he's just an endless loop of reactionary fixes for his failures. in fact, he's such a damn mess that his loop is not perfectly shaped, so hopefully the pong ball scores at some point...fingers crossed

I mean it’s all speculation, but your story seems far too rosy.

What I see is Jim Dolan having no choice after Phil/Melo but to take cover under a false media shield of “rebuilding.” The real mandate is and always has been to fill the roster with the biggest name stars possible.

The public narrative of “rebuild” was exposed as a fraud the day they traded Porzingis (6 months early) for the promise of max cap space.

The sh*tshow panic we’ve seen is the consequence of Dolan’s mandate having no possible course.

i just can't wrap my head around somebody being so impervious to the widespread consensus that this approach is the primary reason for the knicks' lack of success these last ~20 years

drekwins wrote:One thing that I will give this FO credit for is that they leak nothing. The Drummond leaks were obviously from the Pistons side. There's no way to know what they're discussing. They never give a tell. I guarantee there's a lot behind the scenes. Mills and Perry haven't spoken publicly so they have their hopes up for something. They know they must confront the fans at some point so it's obvious that they're trying to create a little bit of goodwill before doing so.

NYF13 wrote:I am thinking that NYK will bring a vet PG in the system. JRUE and Reggie Jackson and Dennis Schroeder are obvious candidates.

2021 Season

PG - Vet / 2nd rounder / Ist rounder (if they don’t get that top 2 pick) / Frank
SG - Edwards/RJ/Bullock
SF - RJ/Morris
PF - Randle/Morris/Knox
C - Wiseman / Mitch / Taj

Ideally, I would love to see either

JRUE-EDWARDS-RJ-MORRIS- MITCH Lineup; or
JRUE-RJ-MORRIS-RANDLE-WISEMAN

Even without a Morris deal, the Knicks could still be active before the trade deadline. Dennis Smith Jr. is hopeful for a relocation, according to a source, and it was believed the Timberwolves were the prime suitors before they traded Jeff Teague. One thing to keep in mind: the Knicks are looking for a point guard and, according to a source, are high on OKC’s Dennis Schroder.

Orange Mamba wrote:According to Bondy

Even without a Morris deal, the Knicks could still be active before the trade deadline. Dennis Smith Jr. is hopeful for a relocation, according to a source, and it was believed the Timberwolves were the prime suitors before they traded Jeff Teague. One thing to keep in mind: the Knicks are looking for a point guard and, according to a source, are high on OKC’s Dennis Schroder.

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/knicks-interested-in-dennis-schroeder/