Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason!

[Reign23]

Buddy Hield is on a declining contract

2020/21 $26,431,817
2021/22 $24,477,272
2022/23 $22,522,728
2023/24 $20,568,183

Just throwing it out there

Yeh that will prob cost us a add on 2nd round pick in a trade....

Randle, Knox, trier, mavs 1st, 2nd

that package is not nearly enough.

[Reign23]

I hope I'm not wrong, don't wanna look it up again, but I think:

Their 2021 pick is unprotected and could very well end up in the lottery. Dallas isn't a very good team actually and the West is so tough, they might finish 10th that year.

In 2023 the pick is top 10 protected and it doesn't get much better going forward. That's a heavily protected pick that iirc might very well convey as a second rounder in 2025 after all.

We really shouldn't touch the 2021 pick, not even for Hield. That said, going after Buddy is a must and I'm also comfortable with Harrison Barnes given our ability to swallow bad deals. He has become a very, very consistent shooter and defender over the years. He's not bad at all if you look into it - most of that is narrative and a bad environment. Kings haven't been ready so far.

Edit: imo Barnes > A. Gordon > Randle

I doubt Dallas is a lotto team in 2023. Which, other than weird lotto odds if their record is LATE lotto and they move up (whatever the last lotto pick is 14? 16?) to top 10, it's GOOD news they'll be good, since the pick will convey and it's a supposed to be a very deep draft.

Yep, definitely. But in a deal for Hield you offer the 2023 Dallas puck, the one coming from LAC, plus Randle, Payton, DSJ. That's it basically.

Don't touch the 2021 pick or any of our own.

absolutely no chance to get hield for this stuff. it costs you one of our 2020 pick or mitch or barrett.

[spree2kawhi]

I doubt Dallas is a lotto team in 2023. Which, other than weird lotto odds if their record is LATE lotto and they move up (whatever the last lotto pick is 14? 16?) to top 10, it's GOOD news they'll be good, since the pick will convey and it's a supposed to be a very deep draft.

Yep, definitely. But in a deal for Hield you offer the 2023 Dallas puck, the one coming from LAC, plus Randle, Payton, DSJ. That's it basically.

Don't touch the 2021 pick or any of our own.

absolutely no chance to get hield for this stuff. it costs you one of our 2020 pick or mitch or barrett.

The 2020 LAC pick is fine too. For more I don't do it. We're talking about hield because we're assuming he's the odd man out between him, Fox and Bogdanovic, so his value can't be sky high.

[Reign23]

Yep, definitely. But in a deal for Hield you offer the 2023 Dallas puck, the one coming from LAC, plus Randle, Payton, DSJ. That's it basically.

Don't touch the 2021 pick or any of our own.

absolutely no chance to get hield for this stuff. it costs you one of our 2020 pick or mitch or barrett.

The 2020 LAC pick is fine too. For more I don't do it. We're talking about hield because we're assuming he's the odd man out between him, Fox and Bogdanovic, so his value can't be sky high.

I think it is. he is a deadeye shooter entering his prime and this is a weak FA class too.

[thebuzzardman]

There are only two reasons to get excited over the hiring of Leonard Rose and non hiring/undercover chicanery of World Wide Wes, and that's IF Rose is so successful etc because he's just so damn smart and being so damn smart and effective he hires really damn smart and effective real basketball people to run real team basketball operations. And/or that Leon Rose will pull all that shady back channel, connected guy stuff with players and there agents and steer some real talent to the Knicks.

I mean, much like anything else, we'll soon know if Leon has the goods. The first bit should be obvious sooner than later, when we all see if he hired anyone worthwhile to GM and coach, and whatever other positions he might fill if he cleans house (probably not happening)
After that, which I guess happens in the next 4 months, it's wait and see if he can steer any ex clients etc to the Knicks in FA, or the "new FA" of "I want my contract but I also want to play where I want" of forcing a trade.

If neither happens in a year, just know we are on another GM\coach deathwatch

[thebuzzardman]

Just trade some youth and picks for someone who can actually shoot the ball well.

Being adept at putting the ball thing into the hoop thing is important in basketball, or so I'm told.

I'd trade several picks and several of THIS team's young guys for Booker. Yeah, you heard that right - 4 or 5 assets.

Not that it's happening. But I can dream.

[Richard4444]

Buddy Hield is on a declining contract

2020/21 $26,431,817
2021/22 $24,477,272
2022/23 $22,522,728
2023/24 $20,568,183

Just throwing it out there

Yeh that will prob cost us a add on 2nd round pick in a trade....

Randle, Knox, trier, mavs 1st, 2nd

that package is not nearly enough.

Why would the Kings want Randle? They already have Bagley who reminds me Randle a little. He is a great rebounder, scorer and stat padder. But he is also a weak rin protector and 3 pt shooter.

[Richard4444]

Just trade some youth and picks for someone who can actually shoot the ball well.

Being adept at putting the ball thing into the hoop thing is important in basketball, or so I'm told.

I'd trade several picks and several of THIS team's young guys for Booker. Yeah, you heard that right - 4 or 5 assets.

Not that it's happening. But I can dream.

Would you include "premium" assets like our unprotected FRPs and Barret in a package for Booker?

Its easy to include Dallas and Lac FRPs, Frank, Knox and Randle in a package for a guy like Booker. Maybe even a lottery protected NY FRP and Mitch.

But if we give all out best assets, we will be turning into a Phoenix Suns Clone (with few good players on the roster and limited cap space).

[Richard4444]

absolutely no chance to get hield for this stuff. it costs you one of our 2020 pick or mitch or barrett.

The 2020 LAC pick is fine too. For more I don't do it. We're talking about hield because we're assuming he's the odd man out between him, Fox and Bogdanovic, so his value can't be sky high.

I think it is. he is a deadeye shooter entering his prime and this is a weak FA class too.

I think is gonna be hard to get Hield without giving away a premium asset (lottery projected FRPs, Barret).

The ideal scenario would be trade Hield for a package of small assets (Lac and Dallas picks, Frank, Knox, Dennis, etc). If Kings dont accept, I would rather bet in Barret and our lottery picks.

[digitaldropoff]

The 2020 LAC pick is fine too. For more I don't do it. We're talking about hield because we're assuming he's the odd man out between him, Fox and Bogdanovic, so his value can't be sky high.

I think it is. he is a deadeye shooter entering his prime and this is a weak FA class too.

I think is gonna be hard to get Hield without giving away a premium asset (lottery projected FRPs, Barret).

The ideal scenario would be trade Hield for a package of small assets (Lac and Dallas picks, Frank, Knox, Dennis, etc). If Kings dont accept, I would rather bet in Barret and our lottery picks).

I can save you the time....just start betting on the latter.

[NYF13]

The Knicks FO is betting that the return on trading Randle will be better on draft night rather than the trade deadline. Since that’s when team realize how close they were before they got eliminated from the playoff this year. And that’s when they are willing to give up any valuable young assets.

I would think accumulate as much draft pick for 2021 on the draft night.

Then trade LAC FRP this year plus any other assets from 2023 onwards for players like Buddy shield if that’s a possibility.

My offer would be for Buddy Hield is to include any players not named RJ and Mitch and part with LAC 2020 FRP plus DAL 2023 FRP as well.

[thebuzzardman]

Just trade some youth and picks for someone who can actually shoot the ball well.

Being adept at putting the ball thing into the hoop thing is important in basketball, or so I'm told.

I'd trade several picks and several of THIS team's young guys for Booker. Yeah, you heard that right - 4 or 5 assets.

Not that it's happening. But I can dream.

Would you include "premium" assets like our unprotected FRPs and Barret in a package for Booker?

Its easy to include Dallas and Lac FRPs, Frank, Knox and Randle in a package for a guy like Booker. Maybe even a lottery protected NY FRP and Mitch.

But if we give all out best assets, we will be turning into a Phoenix Suns Clone (with few good players on the roster and limited cap space).

Yes. Knicks would just f*ck those picks up anyway.

[digitaldropoff]

The Knicks FO is betting that the return on trading Randle will be better on draft night rather than the trade deadline. Since that’s when team realize how close they were before they got eliminated from the playoff this year. And that’s when they are willing to give up any valuable young assets.

I would think accumulate as much draft pick for 2021 on the draft night.

Then trade LAC FRP this year plus any other assets from 2023 onwards for players like Buddy shield if that’s a possibility.

My offer would be for Buddy Hield is to include any players not named RJ and Mitch and part with LAC 2020 FRP plus DAL 2023 FRP as well.

Buddy Hield is going to command a lotto pick....this years Clips and a first from Dallas with a blossoming superstar is not going to cut it. As for Randles value at this past deadline vs at the draft, I don't know why the Knicks PO would be betting on it being better then....other then he only has two years on his deal vs 2.5? Unless he magically finds a stroke from deep to finish the year, teams are going to see Randle the exact same way in June as they do in February.

[HerSports85]

Smh seeing other teams buy out their vets while we’re still sitting on Portis, Ellington ... is the worst

[the_antz_nest]

Buddy Hield is on a declining contract

2020/21 $26,431,817
2021/22 $24,477,272
2022/23 $22,522,728
2023/24 $20,568,183

Just throwing it out there

Yeh that will prob cost us a add on 2nd round pick in a trade....

Randle, Knox, trier, mavs 1st, 2nd

that package is not nearly enough.

What would you propose?

[the_antz_nest]

Yeh that will prob cost us a add on 2nd round pick in a trade....

Randle, Knox, trier, mavs 1st, 2nd

that package is not nearly enough.

Why would the Kings want Randle? They already have Bagley who reminds me Randle a little. He is a great rebounder, scorer and stat padder. But he is also a weak rin protector and 3 pt shooter.

I don’t think Randle is a negative asset as most suggest. Yeh it’s not a perfect fit. But this is all based on the rumour that Buddy is unhappy and wants to move. Essentially kings get Randle a potential 6th man and would probably be better around the likes of fox, big if anything he is at least cost controlled to a degree with his team. All this talk of buddy costing multiple lottery picks is extreme IMO

we are not at a loss to future development for asking what the price would be. Keep our picks and deal any others

[aq_ua]

So, the long wait to the lottery and draft has started early again. In the meantime, here’s a list of things to look forward to as a Knick fan:

(1) Buyouts: they’ve started around the league and for decent players looking for a fresh start to their careers and teams looking to dump old blood. We have a number of candidates, from Wayne Ellington to Bobby Portis to Alonzo Trier ands DSJ. Ellington was recently considered to be out the door before his hot shooting streak. I can only guess that’s made everyone pause and wait to see what new vision management intends to instill.

(2) Coaching decision: any final decision is unlikely to take place until after the end of the season. That doesn’t mean we can’t speculate on potential new hires, but also what it would take for Miller to be given longer term security. What we haven’t heard from any of the players is a particularly ringing endorsement, even during the four game win streak. Maybe it’s because the players themselves don’t feel stable. Maybe it’s something else. Either way, the probability of Miller staying on seems low - 30%ish. Would a .500 record from here on out be enough to convince management otherwise?

(3) Perry’s future: Perry has been the benign growth that’s not invasive enough to surgically remove immediately but just irritating enough that the question keeps coming up. If the term “average NBA GM” were in the dictionary, there would be a picture of Perry next to it. I mean that as a compliment. Nothing spectacular but nothing atrocious and unforgivable. Plenty of “oh wow” moments coupled with “why??” moments, which is probably what an average NBA GM offers. He seems to be content being a passive execution specialist behind the scenes, which may save his neck for the foreseeable future.

(4) Rose’s vision: the official signing seems to keep getting pushed out, and you have to wonder why a bit. Assuming this is a done deal (and I guess you never know), is Rose going to be the big homerun swinging type or a longer term strategic thinker. All signs point to Rose’s strengths being relationships, and that usually means bringing stars together, and the next window of opportunity is really summer of 2021. I think safe to say Rose alone does not bring stars to New York, so any plan requires a really really strong positioning this offseason.

I guess we can also look forward to minutes distributions for the young ones, but have I missed anything? Otherwise, I’ll continue to miss the games but follow the headlines.

[Esq-4]

So, the long wait to the lottery and draft has started early again. In the meantime, here’s a list of things to look forward to as a Knick fan:

(1) Buyouts: they’ve started around the league and for decent players looking for a fresh start to their careers and teams looking to dump old blood. We have a number of candidates, from Wayne Ellington to Bobby Portis to Alonzo Trier ands DSJ. Ellington was recently considered to be out the door before his hot shooting streak. I can only guess that’s made everyone pause and wait to see what new vision management intends to instill.

(2) Coaching decision: any final decision is unlikely to take place until after the end of the season. That doesn’t mean we can’t speculate on potential new hires, but also what it would take for Miller to be given longer term security. What we haven’t heard from any of the players is a particularly ringing endorsement, even during the four game win streak. Maybe it’s because the players themselves don’t feel stable. Maybe it’s something else. Either way, the probability of Miller staying on seems low - 30%ish. Would a .500 record from here on out be enough to convince management otherwise?

(3) Perry’s future: Perry has been the benign growth that’s not invasive enough to surgically remove immediately but just irritating enough that the question keeps coming up. If the term “average NBA GM” were in the dictionary, there would be a picture of Perry next to it. I mean that as a compliment. Nothing spectacular but nothing atrocious and unforgivable. Plenty of “oh wow” moments coupled with “why??” moments, which is probably what an average NBA GM offers. He seems to be content being a passive execution specialist behind the scenes, which may save his neck for the foreseeable future.

(4) Rose’s vision: the official signing seems to keep getting pushed out, and you have to wonder why a bit. Assuming this is a done deal (and I guess you never know), is Rose going to be the big homerun swinging type or a longer term strategic thinker. All signs point to Rose’s strengths being relationships, and that usually means bringing stars together, and the next window of opportunity is really summer of 2021. I think safe to say Rose alone does not bring stars to New York, so any plan requires a really really strong positioning this offseason.

I guess we can also look forward to minutes distributions for the young ones, but have I missed anything? Otherwise, I’ll continue to miss the games but follow the headlines.

I think it speaks volumes if Miller gets the team to a winning percentage that alone would have been enough to get in the playoffs has he has that winning percentage for 82 games. Meaning, the 8 seed will likely be sub-.500. Right now it is .436. If Miller's record is above that - and arguably would have done the same had he started the season - it's not fair to hold the Fiz time against him.

Counter argument is, hurts the lotto odds. At least this isn't shaping up to be a Zion/Ja draft...

[swisscheeseD]

Hire Thibs...

Trade Randle, Payton and pick(s) for CJ McCollum
Draft LaMelo Ball
Bring back Marcus Morris
Sign Montrezl Harrel and Derrick Rose

LaMelo/ Rose
McCollum
RJ
Marcus Morris
Mitch / Harrell

We need to expose RJ and Mitch to winning basketball if we’re ever going to maximize their potential. LaMelo would bring some juice back to the Garden and would form a pretty decent core. Look what Thibs did with Rose, Noah and Jimmy Butler. The same can be done for these guys.

[spree2kawhi]

Miller winning games is mostly context:

EVERYBODY else around the bottom has given up and is rightfully tanking, cutting players, prioritizing development, while Miller is taking advantage of these smarter teams. What an achievement it will be come draft day.