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Re: OT: Ahmoud Arbery murdered in Georgia (Trayvon 2.0) 

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Re: OT: Ahmoud Arbery murdered in Georgia (Trayvon 2.0) 

Post#162 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon May 18, 2020 7:55 pm

From an email I received from Shaun King:

This is William Roddie Bryan.

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He filmed the 30-second video clip of Ahmaud’s murder. He brought his loaded gun. He helped run Ahmaud down and box him in during the chase that we now know lasted over 4 minutes.

He kept that video for months. It was not his choice to release it to the public. He is an accomplice and co-conspirator. Under the felony murder rule, Georgia must arrest him.

Ahmaud could be alive today if William Roddie Bryan hadn’t participated. But he is still roaming free. His attorneys have him basically doing a PR campaign to make it look like he was a hero.
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Re: OT: Ahmoud Arbery murdered in Georgia (Trayvon 2.0) 

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Re: OT: Ahmoud Arbery murdered in Georgia (Trayvon 2.0) 

Post#164 » by moocow007 » Thu May 21, 2020 10:20 pm

Did you guys see the recent police body cam video that actually shows Arbery being detained and questionned for trespassing and shoplifting (years back)? Arbery was leading a pack of teens and were accused of trying to steal a 60+ inch TV from an establishment. It does throw a slight curve into the portrayal of Arbery as a total model citizen. Of course nothing warrants being basically chased down and shot like a dog.
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Re: OT: Ahmoud Arbery murdered in Georgia (Trayvon 2.0) 

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moocow007 wrote:Did you guys see the recent police body cam video that actually shows Arbery being detained and questionned for trespassing and shoplifting (years back)? Arbery was leading a pack of teens and were accused of trying to steal a 60+ inch TV from an establishment. It does throw a slight curve into the portrayal of Arbery as a total model citizen. Of course nothing warrants being basically chased down and shot like a dog.


Was it this video?


They searched him and found nothing. I didnt see any evidence he was leading a pack of teens to steal a 60+ inch TV from an establishment...was that just some random accusation? In my opinion it bolsters his case (not that it would need any bolstering) because it shows he was previously targeted and almost tased.
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Re: OT: Ahmoud Arbery murdered in Georgia (Trayvon 2.0) 

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moocow007 wrote:Did you guys see the recent police body cam video that actually shows Arbery being detained and questionned for trespassing and shoplifting (years back)? Arbery was leading a pack of teens and were accused of trying to steal a 60+ inch TV from an establishment. It does throw a slight curve into the portrayal of Arbery as a total model citizen. Of course nothing warrants being basically chased down and shot like a dog.


“ pack of teens ” :nonono:

Was he arrested and charged? How is this relevant? Do you have a link?
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Re: OT: Ahmoud Arbery murdered in Georgia (Trayvon 2.0) 

Post#167 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu May 21, 2020 11:42 pm

They arrested the third guy! NY Times headline


Third Man Charged With Murder in Ahmaud Arbery’s Death

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation arrested the man who filmed the fatal encounter in a South Georgia neighborhood.
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Re: OT: Ahmoud Arbery murdered in Georgia (Trayvon 2.0) 

Post#168 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu May 21, 2020 11:44 pm

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moocow007 wrote:Did you guys see the recent police body cam video that actually shows Arbery being detained and questionned for trespassing and shoplifting (years back)? Arbery was leading a pack of teens and were accused of trying to steal a 60+ inch TV from an establishment. It does throw a slight curve into the portrayal of Arbery as a total model citizen. Of course nothing warrants being basically chased down and shot like a dog.


“ pack of teens ” :nonono:

Was he arrested and charged? How is this relevant? Do you have a link?


Well, it’s certainly going to be the spin that the racists will use to dehumanize Arbery. It’s completely irrelevant to the criminal charges against the 3 white guys.
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Re: OT: Ahmoud Arbery murdered in Georgia (Trayvon 2.0) 

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moocow007 wrote:Did you guys see the recent police body cam video that actually shows Arbery being detained and questionned for trespassing and shoplifting (years back)? Arbery was leading a pack of teens and were accused of trying to steal a 60+ inch TV from an establishment. It does throw a slight curve into the portrayal of Arbery as a total model citizen. Of course nothing warrants being basically chased down and shot like a dog.


“ pack of teens ” :nonono:

Was he arrested and charged? How is this relevant? Do you have a link?


Well, it’s certainly going to be the spin that the racists will use to dehumanize Arbery. It’s completely irrelevant to the criminal charges against the 3 white guys.


I know. It’s the "he-deserved-to-be-lynched" narrative. I’ve seen it before.
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Re: OT: Ahmoud Arbery murdered in Georgia (Trayvon 2.0) 

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“ pack of teens ” :nonono:

Was he arrested and charged? How is this relevant?
Do you have a link?


Well, it’s certainly going to be the spin that the racists will use to dehumanize Arbery. It’s completely irrelevant to the criminal charges against the 3 white guys.


I know. It’s the "he-deserved-to-be-lynched" narrative. I’ve seen it before.


Michael Brown, Trayvon, Walter Scott, Castillo, 12 year old Tamir Rice. Dumb ass cops think they're so fcking smart, that they can manipulate all the evidence in their favor while they tar and feather the victim. It just makes me so angry. Angry Wingo.

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Re: OT: Ahmoud Arbery murdered in Georgia (Trayvon 2.0) 

Post#171 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri May 22, 2020 4:22 am

To all my black friends, stay the fck out of North Carolina. Check this chit out. :nonono:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/11/us/dameon-shepard-armed-group-black-teen-north-carolina/index.html
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Re: OT: Ahmoud Arbery murdered in Georgia (Trayvon 2.0) 

Post#172 » by Jeff Van Gully » Fri May 22, 2020 2:10 pm

moocow007 wrote:Did you guys see the recent police body cam video that actually shows Arbery being detained and questionned for trespassing and shoplifting (years back)? Arbery was leading a pack of teens and were accused of trying to steal a 60+ inch TV from an establishment. It does throw a slight curve into the portrayal of Arbery as a total model citizen. Of course nothing warrants being basically chased down and shot like a dog.


i thought it was well known that arbery has a history. all that matters is the bold.

i think the case is going to come down to what the court thinks of the final exchange. it's wrong, but if the law is wrong and people interpret it a certain way, i fear these guys could get off.
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Re: OT: Ahmoud Arbery murdered in Georgia (Trayvon 2.0) 

Post#173 » by Jeff Van Gully » Fri May 22, 2020 2:33 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:To all my black friends, stay the fck out of North Carolina. Check this chit out. :nonono:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/11/us/dameon-shepard-armed-group-black-teen-north-carolina/index.html


yeah, that's a scary one. and fears are justified. but it's not good to generalize. it's not like that was the NC state police. it was a county deputy and a group of [probably racist] **** who think they ARE the law.

that said, i know NC very well. it has some of the scariest backroads with some of the slaphappiest hilbilly cops i've ever seen. disproportionately so for such a well educated and progressive (for the south) state. there's some janky AF law enforcement. i seent it!
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Post#174 » by ny-n-md » Fri May 22, 2020 6:46 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:To all my black friends, stay the fck out of North Carolina. Check this chit out. :nonono:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/11/us/dameon-shepard-armed-group-black-teen-north-carolina/index.html

I can’t believe this garbage still happens. They couldn’t arrest anybody? The whole mob needs to be charged and arrested to make sure this type of stuff doesn’t continue to happen. There has to be repercussions.
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Post#175 » by Capn'O » Fri May 22, 2020 7:31 pm

Bringing up any evidence of prior incidents is so predictable and irrelevant. Last I checked, the punishment for stealing (if there ever was such an event) isn't to have a lifetime bounty on your head for civilians to hunt you down and kill you. At least in the state's I have lived in.
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Post#176 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri May 22, 2020 7:49 pm

Capn'O wrote:Bringing up any evidence of prior incidents is so predictable and irrelevant. Last I checked, the punishment for stealing (if there ever was such an event) isn't to have a lifetime bounty on your head for civilians to hunt you down and kill you. At least in the state's I have lived in.


And even if it did happen, the defendants would all have to say that they either witnessed it and therefore had reason to believe he was dangerous. It would have to be a real tight connection, which they don't have. This science on white peoples' identification of a black person from a past incident is astonishing. It is the most unreliable for of identification.

OMG, I just recalled that in my civil rights case with Leon Rose (I defended the City cop and detective), my key witness was this white female Univ. of Pa. student who was one of the victims of the robbery/burglary and while her testimony was certain (she had been alone in her bathroom when the real perpetrator entered the bathroom, let's just say, unexpectedly with a revolver pointed at her "for approximately 50 to 60 seconds" (count it off like I did to the jury ... seems like an eternity). I argued that she had a face to face view of her assailant for the almost one full minute and I had her identify her assailant again at the guy's civil trial. She was very convincing because, as George Costanza famously told Jerry, "it's not a lie if you believe that it's true" and this witness was certain. But she was wrong.
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Re: OT: Ahmoud Arbery murdered in Georgia (Trayvon 2.0) 

Post#177 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri May 22, 2020 7:53 pm

ny-n-md wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:To all my black friends, stay the fck out of North Carolina. Check this chit out. :nonono:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/11/us/dameon-shepard-armed-group-black-teen-north-carolina/index.html

I can’t believe this garbage still happens. They couldn’t arrest anybody? The whole mob needs to be charged and arrested to make sure this type of stuff doesn’t continue to happen. There has to be repercussions.


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Re: OT: Ahmoud Arbery murdered in Georgia (Trayvon 2.0) 

Post#178 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri May 22, 2020 7:56 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:To all my black friends, stay the fck out of North Carolina. Check this chit out. :nonono:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/11/us/dameon-shepard-armed-group-black-teen-north-carolina/index.html


yeah, that's a scary one. and fears are justified. but it's not good to generalize. it's not like that was the NC state police. it was a county deputy and a group of [probably racist] **** who think they ARE the law.

that said, i know NC very well. it has some of the scariest backroads with some of the slaphappiest hilbilly cops i've ever seen. disproportionately so for such a well educated and progressive (for the south) state. there's some janky AF law enforcement. i seent it!


They're probably being led by the "old guard" cops who teach and/or encourage the young cops on how they dooze it. I know the line "Forget what you learned in the Academy, kid. This is where your real training starts."
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Re: OT: Ahmoud Arbery murdered in Georgia (Trayvon 2.0) 

Post#179 » by K-DOT » Fri May 22, 2020 8:07 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:To all my black friends, stay the fck out of North Carolina. Check this chit out. :nonono:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/11/us/dameon-shepard-armed-group-black-teen-north-carolina/index.html


yeah, that's a scary one. and fears are justified. but it's not good to generalize. it's not like that was the NC state police. it was a county deputy and a group of [probably racist] **** who think they ARE the law.

that said, i know NC very well. it has some of the scariest backroads with some of the slaphappiest hilbilly cops i've ever seen. disproportionately so for such a well educated and progressive (for the south) state. there's some janky AF law enforcement. i seent it!

TBF, that's more of a city/rural thing I'd assume, where the cities are progressive but the rural areas are conservative, but the city population outnumbers the rural population so they're more progressive overall

Same thing with my state, we're pretty progressive overall cause we have a big city population but we have a lot of backwoods places that are as red as they get, and I live in one of those areas. Granted, our biggest city has less than 150 thousand people in it, but there's enough mid sized cities to balance out the rural areas
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Re: OT: Ahmoud Arbery murdered in Georgia (Trayvon 2.0) 

Post#180 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri May 22, 2020 8:19 pm

K-DOT wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:To all my black friends, stay the fck out of North Carolina. Check this chit out. :nonono:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/11/us/dameon-shepard-armed-group-black-teen-north-carolina/index.html


yeah, that's a scary one. and fears are justified. but it's not good to generalize. it's not like that was the NC state police. it was a county deputy and a group of [probably racist] **** who think they ARE the law.

that said, i know NC very well. it has some of the scariest backroads with some of the slaphappiest hilbilly cops i've ever seen. disproportionately so for such a well educated and progressive (for the south) state. there's some janky AF law enforcement. i seent it!

TBF, that's more of a city/rural thing I'd assume, where the cities are progressive but the rural areas are conservative, but the city population outnumbers the rural population so they're more progressive overall

Same thing with my state, we're pretty progressive overall cause we have a big city population but we have a lot of backwoods places that are as red as they get, and I live in one of those areas. Granted, our biggest city has less than 150 thousand people in it, but there's enough mid sized cities to balance out the rural areas


Progressive? What state is that, if you don't mind? I'm still trying to figure out where my next move will be. Let me guess. Oregon or Washington?

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