ImageImageImageImageImage

OT: USA, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong thread (2020-2021)

Moderators: dakomish23, Capn'O, j4remi, Deeeez Knicks, NoLayupRule, GONYK, mpharris36, HerSports85, Jeff Van Gully

matchman
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 11,427
And1: 1,830
Joined: Oct 20, 2003
Location: Hong Kong
 

Re: OT: USA, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong thread (2020 edition) 

Post#61 » by matchman » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:25 pm


Hundreds of people gathered outside a Hong Kong court on Monday for the appearance of 47 democracy activists and politicians charged with subversion under the Beijing-imposed national security law, as the authorities intensify a crackdown under the legislation.

The group is accused of organising and participating in an unofficial series of primaries last July, which was an effort to select the strongest candidates for a legislative council election that the government later postponed, citing the coronavirus.



Crowds gather for Hong Kong activists in court for ‘subversion’

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/1/hong-kong-politicians-appear-in-court-over-subversion-charges

So after 7 months of "legislation of national security law", the situation is getting much worse in Hong Kong now.

While that "self-organized primary" happened in 2020, the prosecution only happens in January 2021, and decides to drive all those people to the court now.

Coincidence? Maybe, but since Trump administration steps down, no more Hong Kong officials are being sanctioned. They can now do whatever they want.
Are you fans of the team or the player?
nedleeds
General Manager
Posts: 8,542
And1: 7,664
Joined: Dec 25, 2016
Location: Bridgeport, NY
Contact:
       

Re: OT: USA, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong thread (2020 edition) 

Post#62 » by nedleeds » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:43 pm

matchman wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
aq_ua wrote:Hi match - are you seeing any sort of exodus of US firms out of HK? I've been watching the headlines, but it seems there was more talk than action, especially from the financial services side of things.


Not sure if it's related but real estate in Taiwan (Taipei is where I'm buying) has been going up and up since June. This could be the ex-pats returning back to live a Covid free existence, or HK folks wanting to get away.

I'm kicking myself for not buying back last Summer.


For investment opportunities (real estates, stock market e.g. Taiwan SemiConductor) in Taiwan there are plenty but still there is some certain risks.

With Biden and Democrat in the US government right now, no one can predict what will happen to Taiwan if China decides to "send troops to take back their land" and across the Taiwan strait.

Back in 2017,

"According to an alleged e-mail by Hillary Clinton published by WikiLeaks, the former United States Secretary of State was willing to discuss a New York Times editorial calling on Washington to ditch Taiwan in return for China writing off debt."

And yeah there are numerous Hong Kongers moving to Taiwan since 2019, that may drive the price of real estates to upward trend.


Yes, Taiwanese are well aware. There's also the same week call from Trump to Taiwan after his election. As you're probably aware Taiwans political parties are essentially split along "**** China" and "be cool with China since they can just vaporize us". It's different than the U.S. where the parties are split along a variety of (somewhat banal topics).

The moderate view is that the worst case would be a negotiated transition similar to Hong Kong, not sure if they can negotiate a 100 year turn over. Reality in Taiwan is that the two economies are so completely interwoven that the communists wouldn't have to fire a bullet. So much of Taiwan's economy relies on either selling the communists services, or using them for manufacturing the mainlanders could just torpedo Taiwan's economy.

Taiwan really pissed off the mainlanders with their outspoken take on Covid (which as it turns out was correct at every step), making light that their data / science / approach were not popularized because China refuses to allow them a voice in their public health arm WHO.
Chanel Bomber wrote:I'm not coming back. This is my last song, and it sheets over your whole career. Go Knicks though.
matchman
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 11,427
And1: 1,830
Joined: Oct 20, 2003
Location: Hong Kong
 

Re: OT: USA, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong thread (2020 edition) 

Post#63 » by matchman » Mon Mar 1, 2021 6:01 pm

nedleeds wrote:
matchman wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
Not sure if it's related but real estate in Taiwan (Taipei is where I'm buying) has been going up and up since June. This could be the ex-pats returning back to live a Covid free existence, or HK folks wanting to get away.

I'm kicking myself for not buying back last Summer.


For investment opportunities (real estates, stock market e.g. Taiwan SemiConductor) in Taiwan there are plenty but still there is some certain risks.

With Biden and Democrat in the US government right now, no one can predict what will happen to Taiwan if China decides to "send troops to take back their land" and across the Taiwan strait.

Back in 2017,

"According to an alleged e-mail by Hillary Clinton published by WikiLeaks, the former United States Secretary of State was willing to discuss a New York Times editorial calling on Washington to ditch Taiwan in return for China writing off debt."

And yeah there are numerous Hong Kongers moving to Taiwan since 2019, that may drive the price of real estates to upward trend.


Yes, Taiwanese are well aware. There's also the same week call from Trump to Taiwan after his election. As you're probably aware Taiwans political parties are essentially split along "**** China" and "be cool with China since they can just vaporize us". It's different than the U.S. where the parties are split along a variety of (somewhat banal topics).

The moderate view is that the worst case would be a negotiated transition similar to Hong Kong, not sure if they can negotiate a 100 year turn over. Reality in Taiwan is that the two economies are so completely interwoven that the communists wouldn't have to fire a bullet. So much of Taiwan's economy relies on either selling the communists services, or using them for manufacturing the mainlanders could just torpedo Taiwan's economy.

Taiwan really pissed off the mainlanders with their outspoken take on Covid (which as it turns out was correct at every step), making light that their data / science / approach were not popularized because China refuses to allow them a voice in their public health arm WHO.

In a parallel universe, if Pompeo was still in the government, they may have a big push and aid Taiwan to beef up and take the opportunity of fall of Hong Kong to develop their military forces as well as economy and even make friends with Australia, UK, Canada and NZ to drive a bigger campaign against PRC. Not gonna happen now.

The current Taiwan president has tried very hard to find a way to depend less on PRC develop their own economy, but it is now in super hard mode with the current US regime not showing the full support.
Are you fans of the team or the player?
nedleeds
General Manager
Posts: 8,542
And1: 7,664
Joined: Dec 25, 2016
Location: Bridgeport, NY
Contact:
       

Re: OT: USA, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong thread (2020 edition) 

Post#64 » by nedleeds » Mon Mar 1, 2021 6:14 pm

matchman wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
matchman wrote:
For investment opportunities (real estates, stock market e.g. Taiwan SemiConductor) in Taiwan there are plenty but still there is some certain risks.

With Biden and Democrat in the US government right now, no one can predict what will happen to Taiwan if China decides to "send troops to take back their land" and across the Taiwan strait.

Back in 2017,

"According to an alleged e-mail by Hillary Clinton published by WikiLeaks, the former United States Secretary of State was willing to discuss a New York Times editorial calling on Washington to ditch Taiwan in return for China writing off debt."

And yeah there are numerous Hong Kongers moving to Taiwan since 2019, that may drive the price of real estates to upward trend.


Yes, Taiwanese are well aware. There's also the same week call from Trump to Taiwan after his election. As you're probably aware Taiwans political parties are essentially split along "**** China" and "be cool with China since they can just vaporize us". It's different than the U.S. where the parties are split along a variety of (somewhat banal topics).

The moderate view is that the worst case would be a negotiated transition similar to Hong Kong, not sure if they can negotiate a 100 year turn over. Reality in Taiwan is that the two economies are so completely interwoven that the communists wouldn't have to fire a bullet. So much of Taiwan's economy relies on either selling the communists services, or using them for manufacturing the mainlanders could just torpedo Taiwan's economy.

Taiwan really pissed off the mainlanders with their outspoken take on Covid (which as it turns out was correct at every step), making light that their data / science / approach were not popularized because China refuses to allow them a voice in their public health arm WHO.

In a parallel universe, if Pompeo was still in the government, they may have a big push and aid Taiwan to beef up and take the opportunity of fall of Hong Kong to develop their military forces as well as economy and even make friends with Australia, UK, Canada and NZ to drive a bigger campaign against PRC. Not gonna happen now.

The current Taiwan president has tried very hard to find a way to depend less on PRC develop their own economy, but it is now in super hard mode with the current US regime not showing the full support.


I agree. We'll see if we get a moderate democrat regime with standard hawk'ish tendencies. Or if we get more of the socialist arm of the dems which aligns with PRC values of massive speech suppression, huge reliance on the government for information, and the current "progressive" lefts authoritarian bent with respect to covid.

There might be a lingering bitterness from the communists towards Taiwan's complete and leading success in handling covid. I kind of hope Taiwan just lets it go, and stops opining for WHO membership. The world understands why PRC did what it did with respect to suppressing information, and allowing outbound travel during US holiday and CNY. Nobody with a brain thinks they didn't know there was P2P transmission in 2019.
Chanel Bomber wrote:I'm not coming back. This is my last song, and it sheets over your whole career. Go Knicks though.
matchman
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 11,427
And1: 1,830
Joined: Oct 20, 2003
Location: Hong Kong
 

Re: OT: USA, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong thread (2020 edition) 

Post#65 » by matchman » Tue Mar 2, 2021 12:55 pm

nedleeds wrote:I agree. We'll see if we get a moderate democrat regime with standard hawk'ish tendencies. Or if we get more of the socialist arm of the dems which aligns with PRC values of massive speech suppression, huge reliance on the government for information, and the current "progressive" lefts authoritarian bent with respect to covid.

There might be a lingering bitterness from the communists towards Taiwan's complete and leading success in handling covid. I kind of hope Taiwan just lets it go, and stops opining for WHO membership. The world understands why PRC did what it did with respect to suppressing information, and allowing outbound travel during US holiday and CNY. Nobody with a brain thinks they didn't know there was P2P transmission in 2019.


I would like to share PRC's point of view and why they are so obsessed to conquer Taiwan.

To CCP, their legitamacy to rule such a huge country based on the following:

1) To be the successor of ROC (although they fight in civil war nearly 70 years ago)
2) Claim to be the leader to fight against Imperialist Japan in WW2 ( actually CCP hides behind the battleground and develop their territory instead of fighting the Japanese army, leaving Chiang to fight)
3) To lead the Chinese people to turn away from poor (Hmm really arguable but do not want to elaborate here)
4) Has the mission to re-unite China as one country, by getting back Hong Kong, Macau and gradually Taiwan.
(2 out of 3 tasks complete, so what next then? What CCP won't tell you is how much land they lost to Soviet Union in the northern border, but dare you ask them about this?)

But one may argue their ambition to "conquer/invade" Taiwan / ROC, CCP will tell you that they are just claiming the "lost island".
Are you fans of the team or the player?
nedleeds
General Manager
Posts: 8,542
And1: 7,664
Joined: Dec 25, 2016
Location: Bridgeport, NY
Contact:
       

Re: OT: USA, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong thread (2020 edition) 

Post#66 » by nedleeds » Tue Mar 2, 2021 5:05 pm

matchman wrote:
nedleeds wrote:I agree. We'll see if we get a moderate democrat regime with standard hawk'ish tendencies. Or if we get more of the socialist arm of the dems which aligns with PRC values of massive speech suppression, huge reliance on the government for information, and the current "progressive" lefts authoritarian bent with respect to covid.

There might be a lingering bitterness from the communists towards Taiwan's complete and leading success in handling covid. I kind of hope Taiwan just lets it go, and stops opining for WHO membership. The world understands why PRC did what it did with respect to suppressing information, and allowing outbound travel during US holiday and CNY. Nobody with a brain thinks they didn't know there was P2P transmission in 2019.


I would like to share PRC's point of view and why they are so obsessed to conquer Taiwan.

To CCP, their legitamacy to rule such a huge country based on the following:

1) To be the successor of ROC (although they fight in civil war nearly 70 years ago)
2) Claim to be the leader to fight against Imperialist Japan in WW2 ( actually CCP hides behind the battleground and develop their territory instead of fighting the Japanese army, leaving Chiang to fight)
3) To lead the Chinese people to turn away from poor (Hmm really arguable but do not want to elaborate here)
4) Has the mission to re-unite China as one country, by getting back Hong Kong, Macau and gradually Taiwan.
(2 out of 3 tasks complete, so what next then? What CCP won't tell you is how much land they lost to Soviet Union in the northern border, but dare you ask them about this?)

But one may argue their ambition to "conquer/invade" Taiwan / ROC, CCP will tell you that they are just claiming the "lost island".


1) I get it. Asking PRC, who are the most image conscious regime outside of Islamic Theocracies in the world to just 'get over it' is a non-starter. This is the regime that cancels actors for even remotely questioning any government policy, the regime who bans Rockets games for an employee tweet. They are a bunch of sensitive fragile ego clowns.

2) Yes. Most people don't know the Chinese history of WWII very well. CKS took the brunt of the Japanese assault leaving him very weak after the war. Additionally the war devastated the common people, making them ripe for the allure of communism.

3) This is why I think conflict is unlikely, it's not 1983 when Taiwan's economy was booming and their manufacturing capacity was greater than all of mainland China. "臺灣奇蹟" was very embarrassing for PRC. Also remember in the 70s (71?) the United Nations stopped recognizing ROC/Taiwan. That was another big point of shame for PRC. ROC is no longer recognized formally in hardly anything as PRC influence has grown, United Nations, WHO, competing as 'Chinese Taipei' in Olympics so Xi isn't offended, etc.

4) 'One China' has lasted since 1992. I think Taiwan can be argued is a little different than HK or Macau

- it's larger and further away geographically then HK
- it was never ruled by a European power (the Dutch briefly in the 1600s)
- it was ruled by Japan for significant time (the Japanese ruled for 50 years from 1895-1945)
- KMT take over was bloody and controversial as many 'Formosans' prospered under Japan rule
- it was it's own manufacturing powerhouse (HK obviously a financial powerhouse)
- there are native Taiwanese, a small minority but they are a distinct indigenous people

A take over of Taiwan by PRC could mean the death of so much Chinese culture pre-PRC. Traditional Chinese writing, art, and all the history the communists tried to destroy that was brought to Formosa. I'm biased, I love Taiwan, the people, the freedom, their courage in the face of a horrific regime that is responsible for more murders than WWII deaths.
Chanel Bomber wrote:I'm not coming back. This is my last song, and it sheets over your whole career. Go Knicks though.
matchman
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 11,427
And1: 1,830
Joined: Oct 20, 2003
Location: Hong Kong
 

Re: OT: USA, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong thread (2020-2021) 

Post#67 » by matchman » Wed Mar 3, 2021 1:55 am

So true and you get it completely, the fate of "ROC in Taiwan" is hanging on the US regime along with the Five-eyes.

But seeing how Burma developing and while suppression in Hong Kong getting more and more ridiculous, if I was a Taiwanese I would get pretty nervous right now.
Are you fans of the team or the player?
matchman
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 11,427
And1: 1,830
Joined: Oct 20, 2003
Location: Hong Kong
 

Re: OT: USA, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong thread (2020-2021) 

Post#68 » by matchman » Thu Mar 4, 2021 7:20 am

https://www.facebook.com/angel.da.338211

This young and brave lady (19yo) dies during the protest in Burma / Myanmar, with the Myanmar military claiming they are "adapted to be sanctioned". With PRC support it is always easy to fire bullets without consequences.

And if deaths in Burma cannot move a needle of UN, Hong Kong is nothing to them now. Just another day of putting 47 pro-democratic politicians in court, including former Legco and District Council members.
Are you fans of the team or the player?
KidA24
General Manager
Posts: 8,950
And1: 7,268
Joined: Nov 01, 2012

Re: OT: USA, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong thread (2020-2021) 

Post#69 » by KidA24 » Sun Mar 7, 2021 1:24 am

I just wanted to bump this because of the ridiculousness happening between China, Japan and Taiwan right now.

Because Japan is supporting Taiwan, China has instituted anal swab Covid-19 tests of any Japanese entering China.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56245404

China, to punish Taiwan, has banned Taiwanese pineapples from being sold in China.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/04/taiwan-chinas-ban-on-pineapples-not-in-line-with-global-trade-rules.html

As a response, Japan put in orders for about 20% of the Taiwanese pineapple crop.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4142161

So, if you had anal swabs vs pineapples on your diplomacy bingo card, you are our big winner.
Amos Barshad: "So you got a job, a place to live, a license? What’s left?"

Giannis: “Nothing. Just get a ring now.”
matchman
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 11,427
And1: 1,830
Joined: Oct 20, 2003
Location: Hong Kong
 

Re: OT: USA, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong thread (2020-2021) 

Post#70 » by matchman » Mon Mar 8, 2021 3:32 am

KidA24 wrote:I just wanted to bump this because of the ridiculousness happening between China, Japan and Taiwan right now.

Because Japan is supporting Taiwan, China has instituted anal swab Covid-19 tests of any Japanese entering China.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56245404

China, to punish Taiwan, has banned Taiwanese pineapples from being sold in China.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/04/taiwan-chinas-ban-on-pineapples-not-in-line-with-global-trade-rules.html

As a response, Japan put in orders for about 20% of the Taiwanese pineapple crop.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4142161

So, if you had anal swabs vs pineapples on your diplomacy bingo card, you are our big winner.


China cannot ban Taiwan semiconductor, hence need to look for other goods to ban. :crazy:
Are you fans of the team or the player?
nedleeds
General Manager
Posts: 8,542
And1: 7,664
Joined: Dec 25, 2016
Location: Bridgeport, NY
Contact:
       

Re: OT: USA, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong thread (2020-2021) 

Post#71 » by nedleeds » Mon Mar 8, 2021 6:11 pm

matchman wrote:
KidA24 wrote:I just wanted to bump this because of the ridiculousness happening between China, Japan and Taiwan right now.

Because Japan is supporting Taiwan, China has instituted anal swab Covid-19 tests of any Japanese entering China.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56245404

China, to punish Taiwan, has banned Taiwanese pineapples from being sold in China.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/04/taiwan-chinas-ban-on-pineapples-not-in-line-with-global-trade-rules.html

As a response, Japan put in orders for about 20% of the Taiwanese pineapple crop.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4142161

So, if you had anal swabs vs pineapples on your diplomacy bingo card, you are our big winner.


China cannot ban Taiwan semiconductor, hence need to look for other goods to ban. :crazy:


Are they also not interested in the manufacturing business from Hon Hai, Pegatron, Quanta, Acer and Asus? Notice those weren't blacklisted. Poor pineapple farmers.
Chanel Bomber wrote:I'm not coming back. This is my last song, and it sheets over your whole career. Go Knicks though.
matchman
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 11,427
And1: 1,830
Joined: Oct 20, 2003
Location: Hong Kong
 

Re: OT: USA, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong thread (2020-2021) 

Post#72 » by matchman » Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:05 pm

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hong-kong-deserves-to-be-in-freedom-index-11615393168

Financial Secretary of Hong Kong government tried to convince Hong Kong is a separate entity from China. Lolz. Only get his face slapped the other day.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hong-kongs-illusionist-11615419340



We almost sympathize with Paul Chan Mo-po, who writes a letter to the editor nearby. The Hong Kong Financial Secretary is upset that the Heritage Foundation has dropped Hong Kong from its annual Index of Economic Freedom after years at the top of the list.

Mr. Chan has the impossible task of denying what everyone can plainly see: China’s Communist Party is remaking Hong Kong in its own Mainland image. That was the point of Heritage’s Ed Feulner in his explanation on these pages last week. Until Singapore took the top spot on the index, Hong Kong had reigned as No. 1 for 25 years. As the preface to the 2019 Index noted, “The Hong Kong government has taken out full-page ads to tout its number-one ranking.” But China’s aggressive assimilation of Hong Kong, Mr. Feulner wrote, is turning it into merely one more Chinese city.

Mr. Chan disagrees, invoking “the principle of One Country, Two Systems.” This was the promise of autonomy for Hong Kong embodied in the 1984 Sino-British Joint Declaration that set out the terms of the former British colony’s return to China. What Mr. Chan does not say is that Beijing has made clear the Joint Declaration is a dead letter.

In 2017 Lu Kang, a spokesman for China’s foreign ministry, called the Joint Declaration “a historical document that no longer has any realistic meaning.” Hong Kongers have every reason to believe him after watching China ram through an unpopular national-security law whose provisions include allowing Beijing to take some Hong Kong cases to China for trial.

Mr. Chan wants readers to believe that economic freedom continues no matter the political repression. But China is not Singapore. In China dissenters simply disappear. Foreign businessmen can be arrested and held as diplomatic hostages, as two innocent Canadians now are to pressure Ottawa not to extradite a Huawei executive to the U.S.

......

Are you fans of the team or the player?
matchman
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 11,427
And1: 1,830
Joined: Oct 20, 2003
Location: Hong Kong
 

Re: OT: USA, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong thread (2020-2021) 

Post#73 » by matchman » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:25 am

Let's see how Lebron stands

Nike
Vs
Xinjiang cotton (probably involve torture by CCP on Uyghur)

https://purpose.nike.com/statement-on-xinjiang

. Nike is committed to ethical and responsible manufacturing and we uphold international labor standards. We are concerned about reports of forced labor in, and connected to, the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR). Nike does not source products from the XUAR and we have confirmed with our contract suppliers that they are not using textiles or spun yarn from the region.
Are you fans of the team or the player?
matchman
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 11,427
And1: 1,830
Joined: Oct 20, 2003
Location: Hong Kong
 

Re: OT: USA, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong thread (2020-2021) 

Post#74 » by matchman » Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:49 am

Hong Kong election system is officially screwed royally.

I know this sounds nothing comparing with what Burma youngsters are enduring but still...

And the "world" is still watching this Truman show.
Are you fans of the team or the player?

Return to New York Knicks


cron