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Post#1981 » by HEZI » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:53 am



This guy would be the worst defender on the Knicks and that speaks volume. He's on skates trying to defend the perimeter

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Post#1982 » by Fat » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:54 am

HEZI wrote:Randle gotta go

It's that simple


Y’all gonna be screaming for Rj to go next if if he doesn’t start hitting his 3 especially if we draft lamelo or Hayes both whom are designed to play on ball.

I can see it now :lol:
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Post#1983 » by HEZI » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:00 am

Naughtyfatboy wrote:
HEZI wrote:Randle gotta go

It's that simple


Y’all gonna be screaming for Rj to go next if if he doesn’t start hitting his 3 especially if we draft lamelo or Hayes both whom are designed to play on ball.

I can see it now :lol:


He needs to that's for sure. Good thing for RJ though is he's already had a better 3 point shooting season than Randle has in his career.
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Post#1984 » by Fat » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:04 am

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HEZI wrote:Randle gotta go

It's that simple


Y’all gonna be screaming for Rj to go next if if he doesn’t start hitting his 3 especially if we draft lamelo or Hayes both whom are designed to play on ball.

I can see it now :lol:


He needs to that's for sure. Good thing for RJ though is he's already had a better 3 point shooting season than Randle has in his career.


That’s true I expected him to be worse than 32% tbh had him around 29% his first season. 32 still ain’t sh*t though :lol:
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Post#1985 » by robillionaire » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:12 am

HEZI wrote:
Naughtyfatboy wrote:
HEZI wrote:Randle gotta go

It's that simple


Y’all gonna be screaming for Rj to go next if if he doesn’t start hitting his 3 especially if we draft lamelo or Hayes both whom are designed to play on ball.

I can see it now :lol:


He needs to that's for sure. Good thing for RJ though is he's already had a better 3 point shooting season than Randle has in his career.


Randle shot 34.4% the season before this. Fell off a cliff when he got here. If he was still doing that I’d want to keep him
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Post#1986 » by Fat » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:18 am

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Naughtyfatboy wrote:
Y’all gonna be screaming for Rj to go next if if he doesn’t start hitting his 3 especially if we draft lamelo or Hayes both whom are designed to play on ball.

I can see it now :lol:


He needs to that's for sure. Good thing for RJ though is he's already had a better 3 point shooting season than Randle has in his career.


Randle shot 34.4% the season before this. Fell off a cliff when he got here. If he was still doing that I’d want to keep him


Even then his game style just doesn’t work here next to rj and mitch. He’s an around the rim player at heart and we got enough of that we need a forward who has a reputation for knocking the 3 down and can be a stretch 4
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Post#1987 » by robillionaire » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:19 am

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HEZI wrote:
He needs to that's for sure. Good thing for RJ though is he's already had a better 3 point shooting season than Randle has in his career.


Randle shot 34.4% the season before this. Fell off a cliff when he got here. If he was still doing that I’d want to keep him


Even then his game style just doesn’t work here next to rj and mitch. He’s an around the rim player at heart and we got enough of that we need a forward who has a reputation for knocking the 3 down and can be a stretch 4


Ultimately I agree, but I don’t think my sense of urgency to get rid of him would be nearly as high if I knew we could ride it out another year and he’d at least be somewhat of a shooting threat
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Post#1988 » by HEZI » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:22 am

robillionaire wrote:
HEZI wrote:
Naughtyfatboy wrote:
Y’all gonna be screaming for Rj to go next if if he doesn’t start hitting his 3 especially if we draft lamelo or Hayes both whom are designed to play on ball.

I can see it now :lol:


He needs to that's for sure. Good thing for RJ though is he's already had a better 3 point shooting season than Randle has in his career.


Randle shot 34.4% the season before this. Fell off a cliff when he got here. If he was still doing that I’d want to keep him


He had less than 1 make per game. If you aren't making 1 three a game your percentage is pretty useless.
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Post#1989 » by Strick » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:26 am

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Strick wrote:Kind of crazy of me typing this but Kira Lewis lowkey gives me a less explosive (leaping) Ja Morant vibes. Not saying he’ll be that caliber of player remotely but some of his moments kinda remind me of how he plays


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He kinda reminds me of his Alabama bretherian Colin Sexton.

Might be the speed and his movements at times plus his jump shot lowkey reminds me of Morant’s. Not really comparing them as players because if they were all that comparable he’d be a lock top 3 in this weaker draft.

Sexton is a pretty good comp and I think Sexton with the ability to play PG like Lewis would be a pretty damn solid player.

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Post#1990 » by HEZI » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:26 am

Naughtyfatboy wrote:
HEZI wrote:
Naughtyfatboy wrote:
Y’all gonna be screaming for Rj to go next if if he doesn’t start hitting his 3 especially if we draft lamelo or Hayes both whom are designed to play on ball.

I can see it now :lol:


He needs to that's for sure. Good thing for RJ though is he's already had a better 3 point shooting season than Randle has in his career.


That’s true I expected him to be worse than 32% tbh had him around 29% his first season. 32 ain’t still ain’t sh*t though :lol:


It aint but at least he's not starting off as terrible. I think he can get to at least league average on good volume
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Post#1991 » by Mecca » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:47 am

Naughtyfatboy wrote:
HEZI wrote:Randle gotta go

It's that simple


Y’all gonna be screaming for Rj to go next if if he doesn’t start hitting his 3 especially if we draft lamelo or Hayes both whom are designed to play on ball.

I can see it now :lol:



I’d trade him now if we can. He’s a hard player to build around or with.
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Post#1992 » by mpharris36 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:50 am

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This guy would be the worst defender on the Knicks and that speaks volume. He's on skates trying to defend the perimeter

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im not sure I would trust that scouting report. Its been up for a month and has under 50 views...probably more than half coming from realgm in the last hour.

From all accounts and stuff I've seen he is a solid high IQ defender. He will be no means be a shut down defender but for example this scouting report has a strength as switchability.



Like any young player he has consistency issues. But I don't think he would be anywhere near our worst defensive player. Another report from the stepien.

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Post#1993 » by HEZI » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:59 am

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HEZI wrote:

This guy would be the worst defender on the Knicks and that speaks volume. He's on skates trying to defend the perimeter

Do not want!


im not sure I would trust that scouting report. Its been up for a month and has under 50 views...probably more than half coming from realgm in the last hour.

From all accounts and stuff I've seen he is a solid high IQ defender. He will be no means be a shut down defender but for example this scouting report has a strength as switchability.



Like any young player he has consistency issues. But I don't think he would be anywhere near our worst defensive player. Another report from the stepien.

Awareness / Team Defense: Very high IQ defender and possesses great awareness. Very smart team defender. Talks on defense, often directing teammates. Great help defender rotating on the perimeter keeping a shell, moving off his man to help on drives, and rotating down to the paint. Nice positional defender, doing a good job being in the right place on the court – playing nail/elbow, sinking strong-side paint when he’s in the opposite corner, etc. Keeps hands out taking away passing lanes when he’s off ball in help and defending his assignment cutting through the paint. Had some flashes of bumping the cutters as they make their way through the paint, also. Does a nice job tagging the roll/cutter in help and then getting back to his man. Not a major defensive playmaker, but a good / smart one who picks his spots without gambling – can read the court to position himself well for steals, his hands are almost always out, and he’s always ready to move off ball. (Quick example – positions himself perfectly to cut off a corner 3 pass and above the break 3, keeps arms out, and ends with a steal reading the pass by closing down two passing lanes.) Does a nice job keeping his head on swivel. However, he can get a bit too help-happy / help off his man a bit too much (give up too much space), allowing his man to get free.


Ignore a video that clearly shows him getting wrecked on defense and struggling to stay in front of guys because it has low views? :lol:

Ok so I'm just supposed to pretend it never happened?

Dude looks like this trying to defend on the perimeter

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Post#1994 » by mpharris36 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:06 am

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mpharris36 wrote:
HEZI wrote:

This guy would be the worst defender on the Knicks and that speaks volume. He's on skates trying to defend the perimeter

Do not want!


im not sure I would trust that scouting report. Its been up for a month and has under 50 views...probably more than half coming from realgm in the last hour.

From all accounts and stuff I've seen he is a solid high IQ defender. He will be no means be a shut down defender but for example this scouting report has a strength as switchability.



Like any young player he has consistency issues. But I don't think he would be anywhere near our worst defensive player. Another report from the stepien.

Awareness / Team Defense: Very high IQ defender and possesses great awareness. Very smart team defender. Talks on defense, often directing teammates. Great help defender rotating on the perimeter keeping a shell, moving off his man to help on drives, and rotating down to the paint. Nice positional defender, doing a good job being in the right place on the court – playing nail/elbow, sinking strong-side paint when he’s in the opposite corner, etc. Keeps hands out taking away passing lanes when he’s off ball in help and defending his assignment cutting through the paint. Had some flashes of bumping the cutters as they make their way through the paint, also. Does a nice job tagging the roll/cutter in help and then getting back to his man. Not a major defensive playmaker, but a good / smart one who picks his spots without gambling – can read the court to position himself well for steals, his hands are almost always out, and he’s always ready to move off ball. (Quick example – positions himself perfectly to cut off a corner 3 pass and above the break 3, keeps arms out, and ends with a steal reading the pass by closing down two passing lanes.) Does a nice job keeping his head on swivel. However, he can get a bit too help-happy / help off his man a bit too much (give up too much space), allowing his man to get free.


Ignore a video that clearly shows him getting wrecked on defense and struggling to stay in front of guys because it has low views? :lol:

Ok so I'm just supposed to pretend it never happened?

Dude looks like this trying to defend on the perimeter

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you can put together a few minutes clips of Frank and Mitch missing assignments or looking bad on defense too. That doesn't mean they aren't are two best defenders and positive contributors on that end. Over the course of a season it happens.

A random few minute highlight that is poorly cut too way too long wathcing a possession that bane isn't even involved in. Isn't going to make him an awful defender.
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Post#1995 » by robillionaire » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:10 am

Other than the fact he’s 22 my other concern he only shot 1.8 free throws per game in 36 mins per game so that’s pretty weak. Seems more suitable for the 38th pick than the 27th, someone better will be there 27th
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Post#1996 » by HEZI » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:13 am

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HEZI wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
im not sure I would trust that scouting report. Its been up for a month and has under 50 views...probably more than half coming from realgm in the last hour.

From all accounts and stuff I've seen he is a solid high IQ defender. He will be no means be a shut down defender but for example this scouting report has a strength as switchability.



Like any young player he has consistency issues. But I don't think he would be anywhere near our worst defensive player. Another report from the stepien.



Ignore a video that clearly shows him getting wrecked on defense and struggling to stay in front of guys because it has low views? :lol:

Ok so I'm just supposed to pretend it never happened?

Dude looks like this trying to defend on the perimeter

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:lol:


you can put together a few minutes clips of Frank and Mitch missing assignments or looking bad on defense too. That doesn't mean they aren't are two best defenders and positive contributors on that end. Over the course of a season it happens.

A random few minute highlight that is poorly cut too way too long wathcing a possession that bane isn't even involved in. Isn't going to make him an awful defender.


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Post#1997 » by mpharris36 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:21 am

robillionaire wrote:Other than the fact he’s 22 my other concern he only shot 1.8 free throws per game in 36 mins per game so that’s pretty weak. Seems more suitable for the 38th pick than the 27th, someone better will be there 27th


he's arguably the best shooter in the draft and a great movement shooter.

Maybe I'm missing something but isn't the NBA about the 3 point shot now? Wouldn't it be nice to have a guy that is a major threat from that distance?

He also has a lightning quick release

He's older and has doesn't have great length but holds his own on the defensive end.

He can be a potential kyle korver type movement shooter. He was also a 22 year old senior that got passed on and carved out a nice NBA career.
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Post#1998 » by robillionaire » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:25 am

mpharris36 wrote:
robillionaire wrote:Other than the fact he’s 22 my other concern he only shot 1.8 free throws per game in 36 mins per game so that’s pretty weak. Seems more suitable for the 38th pick than the 27th, someone better will be there 27th


he's arguably the best shooter in the draft and a great movement shooter.

Maybe I'm missing something but isn't the NBA about the 3 point shot now? Wouldn't it be nice to have a guy that is a major threat from that distance?

He also has a lightning quick release

He's older and has doesn't have great length but holds his own on the defensive end.

He can be a potential kyle korver type movement shooter. He was also a 22 year old senior that got passed on and carved out a nice NBA career.


I see him more as a dameyan dotson caliber, like I said I might take a look at 38
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Post#1999 » by mpharris36 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:27 am

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mpharris36 wrote:
robillionaire wrote:Other than the fact he’s 22 my other concern he only shot 1.8 free throws per game in 36 mins per game so that’s pretty weak. Seems more suitable for the 38th pick than the 27th, someone better will be there 27th


he's arguably the best shooter in the draft and a great movement shooter.

Maybe I'm missing something but isn't the NBA about the 3 point shot now? Wouldn't it be nice to have a guy that is a major threat from that distance?

He also has a lightning quick release

He's older and has doesn't have great length but holds his own on the defensive end.

He can be a potential kyle korver type movement shooter. He was also a 22 year old senior that got passed on and carved out a nice NBA career.


I see him more as a dameyan dotson caliber, like I said I might take a look at 38



dotson didn't have his college consistency from deep

dotson only shot of 40% from 3 1 out of his 4 years (38% total). Bane shot over 40% 3 out of his 4 years with his only year under being his freshman year where he shot 38%. Over 4 years shot 43.3% from deep.

He also shot 17/45 from NBA distance 3's (38%) which is a great indication the shot will tranlate to the NBA level.
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Post#2000 » by robillionaire » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:31 am

mpharris36 wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
he's arguably the best shooter in the draft and a great movement shooter.

Maybe I'm missing something but isn't the NBA about the 3 point shot now? Wouldn't it be nice to have a guy that is a major threat from that distance?

He also has a lightning quick release

He's older and has doesn't have great length but holds his own on the defensive end.

He can be a potential kyle korver type movement shooter. He was also a 22 year old senior that got passed on and carved out a nice NBA career.


I see him more as a dameyan dotson caliber, like I said I might take a look at 38



dotson didn't have his college consistency from deep

dotson only shot of 40% from 3 1 out of his 4 years (38% total). Bane shot over 40% 3 out of his 4 years with his only year under being his freshman year where he shot 38%. Over 4 years shot 43.3% from deep.

He also shot 17/45 from NBA distance 3's (38%) which is a great indication the shot will tranlate to the NBA level.


I find they are very similar, stats seem to support it, I don’t average all 4 years, players improve

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