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Sweet

Good

Not much is known about Rose, but based on the way he is building the front office he will take his time and do his due dilligence.

I'm down with Kenny, bring him back!

Makes way more sense than Thibs, especially given the make up of the team and where we are with the roster. We'll see if the Knicks continue their tradition of not making sensible choices.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

i'm not getting my hopes up lol

if you go to the article it goes on to say:

"While Atkinson has support, agents and other coaches with a vested interest in the Knicks' search still see Tom Thibodeau as the most likely hire if team president Leon Rose decides not to bring back Miller as head coach."

so take it with a grain

Best Knicks rumor this week.

weird news.
not from an actually hiring Kenny perspective.. but from Begley breaking it as he did.

Just drops a quick article with no other factoids and minimal details.
No further conversation on it either.
I wonder if somebody wanted this out there.

Good, although I think a lot of fans have overrated Kenny in this process.

You guys love to torture yourselves right?

Phish Tank wrote:Good, although I think a lot of fans have overrated Kenny in this process.

You think?

The reality is if you put Thibs in Brooklyn with that roster they had last season (one offensive guy that he can ride like Secretariat and a whole bunch of vets that knew they needed to defend and do the dirty work...sound familiar?) he'd probably also have been at least .500.

Getting that team to .500 is not as hard as people think it was. Once you take out the inate hate for anything Nets, that team last season was actually a pretty well built and balanced team. Sean Marks (Nets GM) doesn't get as much credit as he should. Marks was the assistant GM in one of the best run front offices in NBA history (San Antonio) and knew what he needed to maximize the resources (most of which previous regimes had sapped dry) and put the best product on the floor (by identifying the right mix of guys that can play together and get the sum better than the individual parts). A guy like Marks is what the Knicks should have been looking for to run their front office, not the Phil Jackson and Isiah Thomas' of the world. That would be more impactful than getting a guy like Atkinson as head coach.

moocow007 wrote:

Phish Tank wrote:Good, although I think a lot of fans have overrated Kenny in this process.

You think?

The reality is if you put Thibs in Brooklyn with that roster they had last season (one offensive guy that he can ride like Secretariat and a whole bunch of vets that knew they needed to defend and do the dirty work...sound familiar?) he'd probably also have been at least .500.

Getting that team to .500 is not as hard as people think it was. Once you take out the inate hate for anything Nets, that team last season was actually a pretty well built and balanced team. Sean Marks (Nets GM) doesn't get as much credit as he should. Marks was the assistant GM in one of the best run front offices in NBA history (San Antonio) and knew what he needed to maximize the resources (most of which previous regimes had sapped dry) and put the best product on the floor (by identifying the right mix of guys that can play together and get the sum better than the individual parts). A guy like Marks is what the Knicks should have been looking for to run their front office, not the Phil Jackson and Isiah Thomas' of the world.

yep.

Honestly, if you objectively look at Kenny over the past few seasons, he's basically David Fizdale except that he convinced his team to incorporate a better shot profile. His Xs and Os were pretty terrible - never finished higher than 20th in points/possession - and clearly he's seen to have an issue working with stars as his free-for-all offense was not popular.

https://theathletic.com/1862178/2020/06/10/knicks-head-coaching-search-a-closer-look-at-kenny-atkinson-and-how-hed-fit/?article_source=search&search_query=atkinson

This is a good article, but peep this paragraph:

“He moved from just development and started learning some Xs and Os. I tell him that all the time. I think he’s now understanding out of bounds after timeout plays. He understands those are key moments in the game and getting guys open and getting guys shots. I think that’s been big for him. That’s his next step that I think he took because Xs and Os, you’ve got to be able to do that if you’re going to be a successful coach in the NBA.” — DeMarre Carroll to The Athletic, March 2019

I think that's a slight bit concerning to me.

Thibs >>>> Atkinson

Don't mind either though I guess

Phish Tank wrote:

moocow007 wrote:

Phish Tank wrote:Good, although I think a lot of fans have overrated Kenny in this process.

You think?

The reality is if you put Thibs in Brooklyn with that roster they had last season (one offensive guy that he can ride like Secretariat and a whole bunch of vets that knew they needed to defend and do the dirty work...sound familiar?) he'd probably also have been at least .500.

Getting that team to .500 is not as hard as people think it was. Once you take out the inate hate for anything Nets, that team last season was actually a pretty well built and balanced team. Sean Marks (Nets GM) doesn't get as much credit as he should. Marks was the assistant GM in one of the best run front offices in NBA history (San Antonio) and knew what he needed to maximize the resources (most of which previous regimes had sapped dry) and put the best product on the floor (by identifying the right mix of guys that can play together and get the sum better than the individual parts). A guy like Marks is what the Knicks should have been looking for to run their front office, not the Phil Jackson and Isiah Thomas' of the world.

yep.

Honestly, if you objectively look at Kenny over the past few seasons, he's basically David Fizdale except that he convinced his team to incorporate a better shot profile. His Xs and Os were pretty terrible - never finished higher than 20th in points/possession - and clearly he's seen to have an issue working with stars as his free-for-all offense was not popular.

https://theathletic.com/1862178/2020/06/10/knicks-head-coaching-search-a-closer-look-at-kenny-atkinson-and-how-hed-fit/?article_source=search&search_query=atkinson

This is a good article, but peep this paragraph:

“He moved from just development and started learning some Xs and Os. I tell him that all the time. I think he’s now understanding out of bounds after timeout plays. He understands those are key moments in the game and getting guys open and getting guys shots. I think that’s been big for him. That’s his next step that I think he took because Xs and Os, you’ve got to be able to do that if you’re going to be a successful coach in the NBA.” — DeMarre Carroll to The Athletic, March 2019

I think that's a slight bit concerning to me.

No coach is perfect, he has shown the ability to develop young players. This what the majority of us want , to play and develop the kids. No more short cuts please

Plus atleast he runs a modern offense

Phish Tank wrote:

moocow007 wrote:

Phish Tank wrote:Good, although I think a lot of fans have overrated Kenny in this process.

You think?

The reality is if you put Thibs in Brooklyn with that roster they had last season (one offensive guy that he can ride like Secretariat and a whole bunch of vets that knew they needed to defend and do the dirty work...sound familiar?) he'd probably also have been at least .500.

Getting that team to .500 is not as hard as people think it was. Once you take out the inate hate for anything Nets, that team last season was actually a pretty well built and balanced team. Sean Marks (Nets GM) doesn't get as much credit as he should. Marks was the assistant GM in one of the best run front offices in NBA history (San Antonio) and knew what he needed to maximize the resources (most of which previous regimes had sapped dry) and put the best product on the floor (by identifying the right mix of guys that can play together and get the sum better than the individual parts). A guy like Marks is what the Knicks should have been looking for to run their front office, not the Phil Jackson and Isiah Thomas' of the world.

yep.

Honestly, if you objectively look at Kenny over the past few seasons, he's basically David Fizdale except that he convinced his team to incorporate a better shot profile. His Xs and Os were pretty terrible - never finished higher than 20th in points/possession - and clearly he's seen to have an issue working with stars as his free-for-all offense was not popular.

https://theathletic.com/1862178/2020/06/10/knicks-head-coaching-search-a-closer-look-at-kenny-atkinson-and-how-hed-fit/?article_source=search&search_query=atkinson

This is a good article, but peep this paragraph:

“He moved from just development and started learning some Xs and Os. I tell him that all the time. I think he’s now understanding out of bounds after timeout plays. He understands those are key moments in the game and getting guys open and getting guys shots. I think that’s been big for him. That’s his next step that I think he took because Xs and Os, you’ve got to be able to do that if you’re going to be a successful coach in the NBA.” — DeMarre Carroll to The Athletic, March 2019

I think that's a slight bit concerning to me.

Lol yeah. I hadn't read that but it doesn't come off well tbqh.

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Phish Tank wrote:

moocow007 wrote:

Phish Tank wrote:Good, although I think a lot of fans have overrated Kenny in this process.

You think?

The reality is if you put Thibs in Brooklyn with that roster they had last season (one offensive guy that he can ride like Secretariat and a whole bunch of vets that knew they needed to defend and do the dirty work...sound familiar?) he'd probably also have been at least .500.

Getting that team to .500 is not as hard as people think it was. Once you take out the inate hate for anything Nets, that team last season was actually a pretty well built and balanced team. Sean Marks (Nets GM) doesn't get as much credit as he should. Marks was the assistant GM in one of the best run front offices in NBA history (San Antonio) and knew what he needed to maximize the resources (most of which previous regimes had sapped dry) and put the best product on the floor (by identifying the right mix of guys that can play together and get the sum better than the individual parts). A guy like Marks is what the Knicks should have been looking for to run their front office, not the Phil Jackson and Isiah Thomas' of the world.

yep.

Honestly, if you objectively look at Kenny over the past few seasons, he's basically David Fizdale except that he convinced his team to incorporate a better shot profile. His Xs and Os were pretty terrible - never finished higher than 20th in points/possession - and clearly he's seen to have an issue working with stars as his free-for-all offense was not popular.

https://theathletic.com/1862178/2020/06/10/knicks-head-coaching-search-a-closer-look-at-kenny-atkinson-and-how-hed-fit/?article_source=search&search_query=atkinson

This is a good article, but peep this paragraph:

“He moved from just development and started learning some Xs and Os. I tell him that all the time. I think he’s now understanding out of bounds after timeout plays. He understands those are key moments in the game and getting guys open and getting guys shots. I think that’s been big for him. That’s his next step that I think he took because Xs and Os, you’ve got to be able to do that if you’re going to be a successful coach in the NBA.” — DeMarre Carroll to The Athletic, March 2019

I think that's a slight bit concerning to me.

At this point I don’t care about X and O’s. The Knicks need development. Even if the plan is to trade them for stars they got to at least look like decent to good players. Kenny comes here and the kids play better overall and we win 35 games I am ecstatic. Kenny is the guy you get to get the kids to the point that a better playoff coach makes sense.

Like if the youth were in their Mid 20’s and we were a 9-6 seed and the rumor was the Knicks wanted Thibs to get the kids to a 5-1 seed. That I would support fullyZ bringing Thibs here now makes no sense and that is ignoring his issues with his defense and offense system.

DE FENSE wrote:I'm down with Kenny, bring him back!

I really wouldnt mind him for this young squad.

WargamesX wrote:

Phish Tank wrote:

moocow007 wrote:
You think?

The reality is if you put Thibs in Brooklyn with that roster they had last season (one offensive guy that he can ride like Secretariat and a whole bunch of vets that knew they needed to defend and do the dirty work...sound familiar?) he'd probably also have been at least .500.

Getting that team to .500 is not as hard as people think it was. Once you take out the inate hate for anything Nets, that team last season was actually a pretty well built and balanced team. Sean Marks (Nets GM) doesn't get as much credit as he should. Marks was the assistant GM in one of the best run front offices in NBA history (San Antonio) and knew what he needed to maximize the resources (most of which previous regimes had sapped dry) and put the best product on the floor (by identifying the right mix of guys that can play together and get the sum better than the individual parts). A guy like Marks is what the Knicks should have been looking for to run their front office, not the Phil Jackson and Isiah Thomas' of the world.

yep.

Honestly, if you objectively look at Kenny over the past few seasons, he's basically David Fizdale except that he convinced his team to incorporate a better shot profile. His Xs and Os were pretty terrible - never finished higher than 20th in points/possession - and clearly he's seen to have an issue working with stars as his free-for-all offense was not popular.

https://theathletic.com/1862178/2020/06/10/knicks-head-coaching-search-a-closer-look-at-kenny-atkinson-and-how-hed-fit/?article_source=search&search_query=atkinson

This is a good article, but peep this paragraph:

“He moved from just development and started learning some Xs and Os. I tell him that all the time. I think he’s now understanding out of bounds after timeout plays. He understands those are key moments in the game and getting guys open and getting guys shots. I think that’s been big for him. That’s his next step that I think he took because Xs and Os, you’ve got to be able to do that if you’re going to be a successful coach in the NBA.” — DeMarre Carroll to The Athletic, March 2019

I think that's a slight bit concerning to me.

At this point I don’t care about X and O’s. The Knicks need development. Even if the plan is to trade them for stars they got to at least look like decent to good players. Kenny comes here and the kids play better overall and we win 35 games I am ecstatic. Kenny is the guy you get to get the kids to the point that a better playoff coach makes sense.

Like if the youth were in their Mid 20’s and we were a 9-6 seed and the rumor was the Knicks wanted Thibs to get the kids to a 5-1 seed. That I would support fullyZ bringing Thibs here now makes no sense and that is ignoring his issues with his defense and offense system.

Thibs did just fine developing those Chicago kids during his time there (Rose, Butler, Noah, Deng, and Gibson)