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Post#1761 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:50 pm

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The irony of that is we need Mitch to cover for LaMelo on defense.

Sigh I just want two-way players on our squad. The Spurs rumor is making me want to dig deeper on Vassell. The supposed practice was too figure out who the Spurs want as they have been the gold standard in finding talent. Especially those guys they are willing to trade up for.

Vassel is like Mikal but can create more. They prob think they can mold him into Middleton and I think they can for sure


Spurs like high IQ two-way players that can contribute to winning basketball. No wonder they are high on Vassell and extremely high on Wiseman.

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Post#1762 » by Deeeez Knicks » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:13 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:I don't think Ball's shooting is as bad as people think. A lot of the issue is shot selection..he was on super high volume and took a lot of bad shots, some of which he had to. On catch and shoots Ball was at 38%.

Dont get me wrong, he needs to improve on that but I think he can def at least become enough of a threat to keep defenses honest.


This was an argument I saw made by Twolves fans before on Ricky Rubio that he was solid in the catch and shoot.

The problem with this is that if you take LaMelo off the ball you negative his greatest strengths. He has to score at an efficient rate on off the dribble shots and drives.


Its still a great skill to have for G's since nobody has the ball 100% of the time....maybe even nescessary. If he feeds someone in the post or the ball swings around, it def helps spacing if he can knock down open 3's so defenses can't sag off.

It also gives him a better chance to improve on other types of shots. Maybe not, but at least a good sign. If you can't hit open 3's you probably are not going to hit tough ones so its a start. Def agree that he needs to improve his efficiency overall. Just simply cutting down on some of the bad shots will help. I dont have the numbers, but he took a ton of tough shots and didnt shoot well on those. Just forced way too many bad shots...Still needs to improve though.
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Post#1763 » by moocow007 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:23 pm

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moocow007 wrote:You know what, I may be leaning towards Anthony Edwards as the guy I want most right now. I just listened to him analyse how he plays with Mike Schmitz and he's EXTREMELY bright and knows the answer to every question Shmitz was throwing at him about what he was thinking, what he should have done, etc., etc. on numerous plays. Every answer was right on and was quick, didn't need to think and was in great detail (not him trying to remember to say the right thing). And it's so different than most of the players that Shmitz interviewed. Edwards just has a natural understanding that you can't teach.

For those that haven't listened to it, i'd suggest doing so.



Even if not the first choice, his ability to understand the right play quickly and being able to read and react combined with all those tools and skills can make him a top tier player in the NBA. You got a 6'5" guy with 6'10" wingspan, super strong, explosive, can create, pass, defend and see/understand the flow of the game. That's hard to pass on. If I'm the Knicks and Ball is off the board but Anthony is on, my choice would be real quick. You take Edwards, all the existing talent, the upside, the star qualities, the great feel and you think you can mold him into an All-Star player.

One scenario was where the Knicks end up with Edwards, trade Randle in some sort of package for CP3 and sign Woods or Bertans, then add them to Barrett and Robinson, and that would be one heck of a team that could do something under Thibs.


this was the interview that sold me on him. people need to remember he really should’ve been playing in high school still.


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Post#1764 » by moocow007 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:32 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:I don't think Ball's shooting is as bad as people think. A lot of the issue is shot selection..he was on super high volume and took a lot of bad shots, some of which he had to. On catch and shoots Ball was at 38%.

Dont get me wrong, he needs to improve on that but I think he can def at least become enough of a threat to keep defenses honest.


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Post#1765 » by moocow007 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:33 pm

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moocow007 wrote:You know what, I may be leaning towards Anthony Edwards as the guy I want most right now. I just listened to him analyse how he plays with Mike Schmitz and he's EXTREMELY bright and knows the answer to every question Shmitz was throwing at him about what he was thinking, what he should have done, etc., etc. on numerous plays. Every answer was right on and was quick, didn't need to think and was in great detail (not him trying to remember to say the right thing). And it's so different than most of the players that Shmitz interviewed. Edwards just has a natural understanding that you can't teach.

For those that haven't listened to it, i'd suggest doing so.



Even if not the first choice, his ability to understand the right play quickly and being able to read and react combined with all those tools and skills can make him a top tier player in the NBA. You got a 6'5" guy with 6'10" wingspan, super strong, explosive, can create, pass, defend and see/understand the flow of the game. That's hard to pass on. If I'm the Knicks and Ball is off the board but Anthony is on, my choice would be real quick. You take Edwards, all the existing talent, the upside, the star qualities, the great feel and you think you can mold him into an All-Star player.

One scenario was where the Knicks end up with Edwards, trade Randle in some sort of package for CP3 and sign Woods or Bertans, then add them to Barrett and Robinson, and that would be one heck of a team that could do something under Thibs.


2010 made a Mitch Richmond comp earlier in the year. I see it. Just a tough, big guard that has just about every tool at an above average (for NBA) player. Any team can use a Mitch Richmond.


That's an actually interesting comp.
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Post#1766 » by -YogiBiz- » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:29 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:I don't think Ball's shooting is as bad as people think. A lot of the issue is shot selection..he was on super high volume and took a lot of bad shots, some of which he had to. On catch and shoots Ball was at 38%.

Dont get me wrong, he needs to improve on that but I think he can def at least become enough of a threat to keep defenses honest.


38% on C&S open 3's is encouraging?
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Post#1767 » by Richard4444 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:32 pm

-YogiBiz- wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:I don't think Ball's shooting is as bad as people think. A lot of the issue is shot selection..he was on super high volume and took a lot of bad shots, some of which he had to. On catch and shoots Ball was at 38%.

Dont get me wrong, he needs to improve on that but I think he can def at least become enough of a threat to keep defenses honest.


38% on C&S open 3's is encouraging?


Open shots?
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Post#1768 » by Deeeez Knicks » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:41 pm

-YogiBiz- wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:I don't think Ball's shooting is as bad as people think. A lot of the issue is shot selection..he was on super high volume and took a lot of bad shots, some of which he had to. On catch and shoots Ball was at 38%.

Dont get me wrong, he needs to improve on that but I think he can def at least become enough of a threat to keep defenses honest.


38% on C&S open 3's is encouraging?


Yea, it is a solid number and around avg. I think the last 2 seasons, avg NBA catch and shoot 3pt% was slightly less then 38%
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Post#1769 » by -YogiBiz- » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:08 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
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Deeeez Knicks wrote:I don't think Ball's shooting is as bad as people think. A lot of the issue is shot selection..he was on super high volume and took a lot of bad shots, some of which he had to. On catch and shoots Ball was at 38%.

Dont get me wrong, he needs to improve on that but I think he can def at least become enough of a threat to keep defenses honest.


38% on C&S open 3's is encouraging?


Yea, it is a solid number and around avg. I think the last 2 seasons, avg NBA catch and shoot 3pt% was slightly less then 38%


It would be more encouraging if that league average was on open C&S 3P shots, but I guess we take those. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#1770 » by Deeeez Knicks » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:15 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:
-YogiBiz- wrote:
38% on C&S open 3's is encouraging?


Yea, it is a solid number and around avg. I think the last 2 seasons, avg NBA catch and shoot 3pt% was slightly less then 38%


It would be more encouraging if that league average was on open C&S 3P shots, but I guess we take those. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Post#1771 » by Strick » Sat Aug 1, 2020 6:21 pm

Isaiah Joe is going back to Arkansas. I liked him as a good option with our second round pick. Hard to decide if it’s a good move or not since next year’s draft is beyond loaded
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Post#1772 » by robillionaire » Sat Aug 1, 2020 6:59 pm

just 19 more days bros, it's happening
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Post#1773 » by RHODEY » Sat Aug 1, 2020 7:44 pm

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Post#1774 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sat Aug 1, 2020 9:18 pm

moocow007 wrote:
Tron Carter wrote:
moocow007 wrote:You know what, I may be leaning towards Anthony Edwards as the guy I want most right now. I just listened to him analyse how he plays with Mike Schmitz and he's EXTREMELY bright and knows the answer to every question Shmitz was throwing at him about what he was thinking, what he should have done, etc., etc. on numerous plays. Every answer was right on and was quick, didn't need to think and was in great detail (not him trying to remember to say the right thing). And it's so different than most of the players that Shmitz interviewed. Edwards just has a natural understanding that you can't teach.

For those that haven't listened to it, i'd suggest doing so.



Even if not the first choice, his ability to understand the right play quickly and being able to read and react combined with all those tools and skills can make him a top tier player in the NBA. You got a 6'5" guy with 6'10" wingspan, super strong, explosive, can create, pass, defend and see/understand the flow of the game. That's hard to pass on. If I'm the Knicks and Ball is off the board but Anthony is on, my choice would be real quick. You take Edwards, all the existing talent, the upside, the star qualities, the great feel and you think you can mold him into an All-Star player.

One scenario was where the Knicks end up with Edwards, trade Randle in some sort of package for CP3 and sign Woods or Bertans, then add them to Barrett and Robinson, and that would be one heck of a team that could do something under Thibs.


this was the interview that sold me on him. people need to remember he really should’ve been playing in high school still.


Yep agreed.


his understanding is much better than expected. this gives much better context to the season he had. real star potential and a perfect meeting of needs in NY. i'd be pretty excited to get him.
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Post#1775 » by knickstape4ever » Sun Aug 2, 2020 1:36 am



Intriguing player; projected as a late late 2nd rounder; has a nice jumper, w/ 3PT range, can hit the turnaround shot, can put the ball on the floor a bit, good length (listed at 6'9)
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Post#1776 » by Worst_to_First » Sun Aug 2, 2020 5:01 am

This is a good and fair vid on LaMelo:

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Post#1777 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Aug 2, 2020 7:37 pm

Can Wiseman do The Shammgod?

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Post#1778 » by bleedblue3303 » Sun Aug 2, 2020 9:52 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Can Wiseman do The Shammgod?




Lets say Mitch can do this in a game. is there any way you can move him to power forward and play Wiseman at center? If Mitch is really that nice with the ball and his shot... Why not?
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Post#1779 » by moocow007 » Mon Aug 3, 2020 2:56 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:Can Wiseman do The Shammgod?

Wiseman actually can. Its one of the positives of his game that gets him no.1 pick nods. The concern with him is is he an Alpha personality? If he can prove to be he'll dominate the NBA.




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