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Post#621 » by robillionaire » Thu Jul 2, 2020 9:26 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
getrichordie wrote:We are finally finished polling! Cheers to everyone who participated! Thanks! :beer:

Thoughts?

CONSENSUS BIG BOARD

:king: Anthony Edwards
2. LaMelo Ball
3. James Wiseman
4. Killian Hayes
5. Deni Avdija
6. Tyrese Haliburton
7. Isaac Okoro
8. Cole Anthony
9. Onyeka Okongwu
10. Devin Vassell
11. Obi Toppin
12. R.J. Hampton
13. Tyrese Maxey
14. Kira Lewis Jr.
15. Aaron Nesmith
16. Aleksej Pokusevski
17. Patrick Williams
18. Josh Green
19. Jaden McDaniels
20. Paul Reed
21. Grant Riller
22. Saddiq Bey
23. Theo Maledon
24. Precious Achiuwa
25. Tyler Bey
26. Jalen Smith
27. Leandro Bolmaro
28. Jahmi'us Ramsey
29. Isaiah Stewart
30. Tyrell Terry


Here’s the general boards big board if anyone cares.


it looks like they too are very low on toppin
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Post#622 » by TheGreenArrow » Thu Jul 2, 2020 9:38 pm

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TheGreenArrow wrote:As much as I love lamelo I may just put Edwards #1 on my board.

Edwards,rj and Mitch going forward with thibs as hc would be really special foundation going forward.

Dude is just special man and I think thibs can guide him to reach his potential.


But we're never even going to get to sniff Edwards.


Never say never if we’re in the top 3 it’s certainly possible.

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Post#623 » by newyorker4ever » Thu Jul 2, 2020 9:43 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Main targets:
1.Ball
2. Hayes
3. Haliburton

Wild Card Pick: Poku
Backup Plan: Vassell

If Edwards, Wiseman or Onyeka fall into our lap then might have to take those guys too at a certain spot, but fading Edwards/Wiseman and not expecting Onyeka


Some team is gonna get a beast in Onyeka. It's really sux that his game doesn't fit next to Mitch cause i'm a big fan of him.
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Post#624 » by knickstape4ever » Thu Jul 2, 2020 9:45 pm

I like Robert Woodard as a potential pick at #27 (tho I prefer to move up to land 1 of Vassell, Bey, Nesmith) or #38 if he's still there

he's kind of a tweener 3/4, but he's a really good, smart defender and can knock down the 3

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Post#625 » by Worst_to_First » Fri Jul 3, 2020 12:13 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
blueNorange wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:I think Hayes only finished right like once just like Haliburton with his left lol

this draft is so flawed :( every prospect has a huge question mark attached to them.

i'm just avoiding the lavar ball circus **** show, last thing we need is lavar blaming rj for lamelo's lack of spacing or saying Mitchell isn't anything without lamelo

Wiseman to me is the only player without a huge question mark attached to them imo. Too bad he won’t drop to us


Yes I don’t see any issue with Wiseman except of course if your team is sorely lacking for quality wings and guards.

Still see him as the guy with both the highest floor and ceiling. Am hoping he lands in the right situation.
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Post#626 » by bballoctober » Fri Jul 3, 2020 1:32 am

Any of you guys ever check nbadraftroom.com ? I think it's clever and smart.
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Post#627 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Jul 3, 2020 1:49 am

Reddit seems awfully low on Hayes and thinks he should go in the 7-10 range
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Post#628 » by Worst_to_First » Fri Jul 3, 2020 1:57 am

newyorker4ever wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Main targets:
1.Ball
2. Hayes
3. Haliburton

Wild Card Pick: Poku
Backup Plan: Vassell

If Edwards, Wiseman or Onyeka fall into our lap then might have to take those guys too at a certain spot, but fading Edwards/Wiseman and not expecting Onyeka


Some team is gonna get a beast in Onyeka. It's really sux that his game doesn't fit next to Mitch cause i'm a big fan of him.


If our FO thinks Onyeka is a beast and the BPA at our slot then they should still draft him then figure out the rotation after. I don’t think Mitch should deter us from drafting the BPA.
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Post#629 » by knickstape4ever » Fri Jul 3, 2020 2:42 am

Worst_to_First wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Main targets:
1.Ball
2. Hayes
3. Haliburton

Wild Card Pick: Poku
Backup Plan: Vassell

If Edwards, Wiseman or Onyeka fall into our lap then might have to take those guys too at a certain spot, but fading Edwards/Wiseman and not expecting Onyeka


Some team is gonna get a beast in Onyeka. It's really sux that his game doesn't fit next to Mitch cause i'm a big fan of him.


If our FO thinks Onyeka is a beast and the BPA at our slot then they should still draft him then figure out the rotation after. I don’t think Mitch should deter us from drafting the BPA.


idk, fit is sometimes as important as talent; we saw this past year how starting another non-shooting big (Randle) hindered RJ and the space he had to work w/
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Post#630 » by Zenzibar » Fri Jul 3, 2020 2:53 am

robillionaire wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
getrichordie wrote:We are finally finished polling! Cheers to everyone who participated! Thanks! :beer:

Thoughts?

CONSENSUS BIG BOARD

:king: Anthony Edwards
2. LaMelo Ball
3. James Wiseman
4. Killian Hayes
5. Deni Avdija
6. Tyrese Haliburton
7. Isaac Okoro
8. Cole Anthony
9. Onyeka Okongwu
10. Devin Vassell
11. Obi Toppin
12. R.J. Hampton
13. Tyrese Maxey
14. Kira Lewis Jr.
15. Aaron Nesmith
16. Aleksej Pokusevski
17. Patrick Williams
18. Josh Green
19. Jaden McDaniels
20. Paul Reed
21. Grant Riller
22. Saddiq Bey
23. Theo Maledon
24. Precious Achiuwa
25. Tyler Bey
26. Jalen Smith
27. Leandro Bolmaro
28. Jahmi'us Ramsey
29. Isaiah Stewart
30. Tyrell Terry


Here’s the general boards big board if anyone cares.


it looks like they too are very low on toppin


Wow, if we get my favorite, Tyrell Terry @ 27, I'll be super happy with this draft.
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Post#631 » by Zenzibar » Fri Jul 3, 2020 3:07 am

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Worst_to_First wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Some team is gonna get a beast in Onyeka. It's really sux that his game doesn't fit next to Mitch cause i'm a big fan of him.


If our FO thinks Onyeka is a beast and the BPA at our slot then they should still draft him then figure out the rotation after. I don’t think Mitch should deter us from drafting the BPA.


idk, fit is sometimes as important as talent; we saw this past year how starting another non-shooting big (Randle) hindered RJ and the space he had to work w/



I agree with both.
But with Randle on another year, it would be surprising not using 2/3 picks on guards. Additionlly, many fans want Randle out, the media want Knox gone. That's 2 forwards that Oneyka can't replace by himself and would still a hole at the point.

Knox has to grow this year PERIOD, and the staff has to do their best to get him there. The Development reputation of this next staff is dependent on it.
Randle and Knox would be pretty formidable at the 4, if played correctly.

The key, is a guard with the capacity to make it work alongside Mitch. One, a young PG, that they all can mesh and play off of.
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Post#632 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Fri Jul 3, 2020 3:25 am

robillionaire wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
getrichordie wrote:We are finally finished polling! Cheers to everyone who participated! Thanks! :beer:

Thoughts?

CONSENSUS BIG BOARD

:king: Anthony Edwards
2. LaMelo Ball
3. James Wiseman
4. Killian Hayes
5. Deni Avdija
6. Tyrese Haliburton
7. Isaac Okoro
8. Cole Anthony
9. Onyeka Okongwu
10. Devin Vassell
11. Obi Toppin
12. R.J. Hampton
13. Tyrese Maxey
14. Kira Lewis Jr.
15. Aaron Nesmith
16. Aleksej Pokusevski
17. Patrick Williams
18. Josh Green
19. Jaden McDaniels
20. Paul Reed
21. Grant Riller
22. Saddiq Bey
23. Theo Maledon
24. Precious Achiuwa
25. Tyler Bey
26. Jalen Smith
27. Leandro Bolmaro
28. Jahmi'us Ramsey
29. Isaiah Stewart
30. Tyrell Terry


Here’s the general boards big board if anyone cares.


it looks like they too are very low on toppin


I think we all see the same flaws with him, so it makes sense. He’s a big that doesn’t play defense, without an elite skill, and is old. That just screams bust to me. Out of the top 10 he’s probably my least favorite.
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Post#633 » by RHODEY » Fri Jul 3, 2020 4:07 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
blueNorange wrote:officially on the hayes gravy train and just hope he discovers that he can dribble going right.


That will make two starters who you are hoping can learn how to go right and they are now in the NBA. This isn't college. I'd rather have someone, yes, like Haliburton, who can step in and at least give us a little of everything along with a lot of flexibility.

Are we going to at least have some semblance of a NBA draft combine or individual workouts to test these guys? I'm not saying your wrong about Hayes but all of these guys seems to missing something at least at this young age, which makes it very difficult to prognosticate their future NBA careers.


I would say Hayes gives you more of "a little of everything" because he can finish at the rim, and he can be shifty with the ball, the step back jumper.... he might not be as polished as Haliburton right now but l like his rate of improvement. I like Haliburton too but I think Hayes ceiling is a bit higher....at least.
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Post#634 » by Zenzibar » Fri Jul 3, 2020 4:35 am

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/knicks-draft-killian-hayes

Knicks News: Could Killian Hayes Drop in the Draft?

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When the NBA abruptly shut down in mid-March, Knicks fans, like everyone else in the world, had bigger concerns on their mind than the team's spot in the eventual lottery drawing.

That the 2020 Draft had been built up — or down, as it were — as a crapshoot filled with imperfect players only added to the lack of concern. We all (justifiably) had other things on our mind.

Fast forward to now. Without any actual basketball to watch, onlookers everywhere have taken to analyzing, overanalyzing and re-overanalyzing the prospects that will be available come October 16. The lottery to determine the draft order for that night will take place on August 25, and the Knicks will enter with the sixth best odds.

For much of the season, of course, it looked like New York would be quite a bit higher than that. On the morning of February 29, less than two weeks before the shutdown, New York stood with a record 17-42, tied with Cleveland for the third-worst record in the league.

When they went on to win four of their next seven, including maybe the best win of the season versus the Rockets, it was seen at the time as a mostly positive development for a team under new leadership as it attempted to lay some groundwork for next year.


But as the months went by and as draft boards started to solidify, that positivity was subdued. Fans and analysts alike are split on a number of key questions entering this draft, but one thing most everyone agrees on is that the Knicks should have LaMelo Ball, Anthony Edwards and Killian Hayes as the top three on their board in some order.

Thanks to those late season wins, New York's odds of landing a top-three pick decreased from 40 percent to just under 27 percent. Moreover, the most likely pick they'll end up with changed from fifth or sixth to seventh or eighth.

In light of that, the thinking has largely been that if they didn't move up into the top four, they'd be left out in the cold on that imperfect but strongly preferred top three.

Thankfully for them, that calculation may be a bit off:

If this report is to be believed, not only are the Cavs out on Hayes, but they may pass on a guard altogether.


This, of course, may be a bit of an overstatement from an agent trying to get his client to a preferred destination. Still, with Collin Sexton and Darius Garland already on the roster, it wouldn't be shocking to see Cleveland bypass Hayes in favor of someone else who fills a position of need such as Deni Avdija or local product Obi Toppin.

The impact of this one decision may not seem like much, but when put into context with the other teams at the top of the draft, the trickle down effect could be significant.

Starting at the top, the Warriors are entering next season with priorities altogether different than a normal team that finishes in last place. They also have as established a backcourt as there is in the NBA. Put together, it wouldn't seem like they'd be in the market for a rookie guard.

But we're also just a year removed from them signing D'Angelo Russell just to get a good asset in the door. Steve Kerr said in February that Golden State realized that Russell's fit would be questionable from the get go, but it didn't stop them from benefiting by the transaction, as they're now the proud owners of Minnesota's lightly protected 2021 first round pick (and Andrew Wiggins).

Would they make such a move again, except this time with their draft choice?

Doubtful. Draft picks are like new cars in that they lose 10 percent (or more) of their value the minute you drive it off the lot. There's a better chance the Warriors try to trade the pick, but then the question becomes whether anyone is willing to pay a premium to move up. If the answer is "nobody," they could just take a player who they feel fits their roster the best, which could mean either James Wiseman or Onyeka Okongwu.

Speaking of DeAngelo Russell, his new team is third in the lotto standings after Golden State and Cleveland. With Russell entrenched at point guard and both the newly acquired Malik Beasley and last year's lottery selection Jarred Culver on the wing, it's easy to see them passing on a guard as well.

That gets us to Atlanta in the fourth spot. The Hawks were in the news last week when their young star point guard switched agencies and signed with Klutch Sports. If ever signing with a new agent served as shots fired, Trae Young joining the agency that engineered Anthony Davis' flight from New Orleans was it, especially given Young's reported occasional consternation with the team last year.

Given this situation, it's tough to see the Hawks bringing in another point guard, especially with Cam Reddish offering some secondary ball-handling skill in their starting lineup and Kevin Huerter somewhat entrenched at the two.

Detroit, who of course has needs at every position, is fifth, and then there's New York. There's also several teams behind the Knicks in the lottery standings that could make a play for a lead guard, including the Bulls, Wizards, Suns, and if they can find a taker for Terry Rozier, the Hornets.

There's a better than 50/50 chance one of these teams ends up ahead of New York, and if that's the case, maybe the dream of Hayes falling to seventh or eighth dies with it.

But when you factor in the possible wild card of Lavar Ball using his considerable (if annoying) clout to help direct LaMelo away from certain destinations, there's enough uncertainty that something unexpected could transpire.


Add in the fact that Hayes recently interviewed with the Knicks, and New York shouldn't rule out getting lucky on draft night even if they don't luck out in the lottery.
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Post#635 » by bballoctober » Fri Jul 3, 2020 12:55 pm

Strick wrote:

Give me Deni and Tyrell Terry. Terry / Frank / RJ / Deni / Mitch. 4 guys who can handle the ball, 4 guys with at the very least average to above average defensive potential (borderline elite with Frank and Mitch), 4 potential average to above average shooters (Terry could be borderline elite as far as shooting), and Mitch who is a dominant lob threat. Any of those guys would run PnR with Mitch and be able to have respectable shooters around them or at least the dribbling ability to do a pump and drive.

This would be the most fun team we have had in the longest time

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Post#636 » by newyorker4ever » Fri Jul 3, 2020 8:02 pm

Worst_to_First wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Main targets:
1.Ball
2. Hayes
3. Haliburton

Wild Card Pick: Poku
Backup Plan: Vassell

If Edwards, Wiseman or Onyeka fall into our lap then might have to take those guys too at a certain spot, but fading Edwards/Wiseman and not expecting Onyeka


Some team is gonna get a beast in Onyeka. It's really sux that his game doesn't fit next to Mitch cause i'm a big fan of him.


If our FO thinks Onyeka is a beast and the BPA at our slot then they should still draft him then figure out the rotation after. I don’t think Mitch should deter us from drafting the BPA.


Yeah i agree. The Knicks aren't close enough in this rebuild to be drafting by what position we need the most and should be drafting BPA with every draft pick until we have at least 4 solid starters on this team which we obviously don't have as of now. Also people need to stop projecting any of these kids in the draft off of just what we've seen from them in college or overseas because they're just kids that have a long way to go to grow their games. Some of these kids will just fit the way the game is played in the NBA and will adjust quickly to the NBA game and some will have to work hard to adjust to the NBA game and will either get better or become bench players or complete busts.

Some of these kids have other parts of their games that we aren't even seeing because their coaches have them using certain parts of their games that fits what that teams needs from them. Onyeka could actually have an offensive game and have some kind of outside shot but he's not asked to do it because his team needs him to be playing around the basket and rebounding and blocking shots. Maybe it's something he does work on in practice but not in games. If he did have some shooting touch then i'd love to draft him.
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Post#637 » by Clyde Frazier » Sat Jul 4, 2020 1:09 am

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Why isn't this kid projected to go in the lottery...?
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Post#638 » by knickstape4ever » Sat Jul 4, 2020 1:12 am

Clyde Frazier wrote:
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Why isn't this kid projected to go in the lottery...?


idk, maybe his size? listed at 6'3, 165lbs

he seems to me to be one of the most well-rounded PG's in the draft
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Post#639 » by sims » Sat Jul 4, 2020 1:42 am

bballoctober wrote:
Strick wrote:

Give me Deni and Tyrell Terry. Terry / Frank / RJ / Deni / Mitch. 4 guys who can handle the ball, 4 guys with at the very least average to above average defensive potential (borderline elite with Frank and Mitch), 4 potential average to above average shooters (Terry could be borderline elite as far as shooting), and Mitch who is a dominant lob threat. Any of those guys would run PnR with Mitch and be able to have respectable shooters around them or at least the dribbling ability to do a pump and drive.

This would be the most fun team we have had in the longest time

Did you see Amar'e giving Demi that pass when he was wide open ?


i'm starting to feel like i've been way too hard on deni. i just didn't think i was seeing enough from his game footage to justify his draft stock but he's looking much more impressive lately. he won't be luka but if he can develop into a more mobile gallo he would be a great piece. not a star but a good get in this draft anywhere outside the top 3.
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Post#640 » by Mecca » Sat Jul 4, 2020 2:00 am

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
blueNorange wrote:officially on the hayes gravy train and just hope he discovers that he can dribble going right.


That will make two starters who you are hoping can learn how to go right and they are now in the NBA. This isn't college. I'd rather have someone, yes, like Haliburton, who can step in and at least give us a little of everything along with a lot of flexibility.

Are we going to at least have some semblance of a NBA draft combine or individual workouts to test these guys? I'm not saying your wrong about Hayes but all of these guys seems to missing something at least at this young age, which makes it very difficult to prognosticate their future NBA careers.


I like Haliburton, but he struggles going left. A lot of young players are not good with their off hand. I still like both
players a lot though as I think its something they can both improve.

Does it make a big difference if we have 2 lefties/3 righties vs 1 lefty/4 righties on the floor?


Kira is my favorite consolation drive. He has that 4th gear to him and is so fluid around the rim.
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