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Re: The New York Knicks are hiring CAA’s William Wesley as Executive Vice President/Senior Advisor 

Post#261 » by Infinitimind » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:28 pm

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Elite ball handler, elite at using his off hand around rim, elite in PnR. Just admit you didn’t watch him.

i watched enough to know that if he wasn't flashy, nobody would give a **** about him.

knox would go 2nd or 3rd in this draft.


lol no


He would 100 percent go top 5, probably 2nd or 3rd. He was getting a lot of hype during his workout
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Post#262 » by WargamesX » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:31 pm

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If it cost 1 low first round pick, say a Mavs pick, I'd do it.



The Mav's 2021 unconditional #1 pick? In that 2021 loaded draft and with KP historically injury prone?
Just to grab a tremendously flawed point guard with no dam jump shot whatsoeva.

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I was thinking the 2023


Yeah we should move that pick before 2023. When will it have the most value is the question.....
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Post#263 » by Mecca » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:53 pm

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blueNorange wrote:i watched enough to know that if he wasn't flashy, nobody would give a **** about him.

knox would go 2nd or 3rd in this draft.


lol no


He would 100 percent go top 5, probably 2nd or 3rd. He was getting a lot of hype during his workout


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Post#264 » by newyorker4ever » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:55 pm

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B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:This seems a decent take to me. However, Rose seems griftier than Phil, so if it does go south it may be pretty bad.


But P.Jackson wasn't willing to put all the work in that needs to be put in to show the free agents how much you want them. Phil wouldn't even go fly to the away games or fly to meet with all the free agents that he would need to to show how bad he wanted them. It won't, or shouldn't, be any issue with Rose and his people to put all the work in that will be needed to show the players how much they want them. Rose won't fall asleep during workouts with the draft prospects either.. :sleep:


Right. So there's the part where it might work out. Rose would seem, clearly, to be the more diligent, harder working guy at this point in their careers. The similarity of hire is Dolan always having to have the biggest name over the (possibly) better fit/idea.

I'd say a legit concern, one I'm personally not that concerned about, but others have raised it, is that Rose's hire has a lot to do with being able to close the deal on free agents, so there is concern the Knicks will swing too hard to the "get the established vets/get the FA star" and kind of short circuit the rebuild, such as it's already been.

So the hope is, sort of splitting the difference on those takes, is that Dolan leaves Rose pretty much alone, based on his "big name" credibility, and Rose and those he hires turn out to be competent front office types and make the right kinds of moves. Either with a youth emphasis, vet emphasis or a blend - which I think is the most likely.

We shall see.


Right so the Knicks are a huge market team that needs to act like a small market team and build smartly through the draft and without handing out big contracts to the wrong veterans until the right veterans become available and for L.Rose and his guys to not become impatient because they needs to realize that the big name players don't look at the Knicks like they did 20+ years ago. We have to build young and start winning and changing the culture and if we stick with the plan eventually that one star will look our way and the others will follow, or we'll have a chance to trade for a disgruntled star and then the others will look our way.
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Re: The New York Knicks are hiring CAA’s William Wesley as Executive Vice President/Senior Advisor 

Post#265 » by Zenzibar » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:00 pm

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If it cost 1 low first round pick, say a Mavs pick, I'd do it.



The Mav's 2021 unconditional #1 pick? In that 2021 loaded draft and with KP historically injury prone?
Just to grab a tremendously flawed point guard with no dam jump shot whatsoeva.

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I was thinking the 2023


Was ready to protect our picks..

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Post#266 » by Zenzibar » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:10 pm

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But P.Jackson wasn't willing to put all the work in that needs to be put in to show the free agents how much you want them. Phil wouldn't even go fly to the away games or fly to meet with all the free agents that he would need to to show how bad he wanted them. It won't, or shouldn't, be any issue with Rose and his people to put all the work in that will be needed to show the players how much they want them. Rose won't fall asleep during workouts with the draft prospects either.. :sleep:


Right. So there's the part where it might work out. Rose would seem, clearly, to be the more diligent, harder working guy at this point in their careers. The similarity of hire is Dolan always having to have the biggest name over the (possibly) better fit/idea.

I'd say a legit concern, one I'm personally not that concerned about, but others have raised it, is that Rose's hire has a lot to do with being able to close the deal on free agents, so there is concern the Knicks will swing too hard to the "get the established vets/get the FA star" and kind of short circuit the rebuild, such as it's already been.

So the hope is, sort of splitting the difference on those takes, is that Dolan leaves Rose pretty much alone, based on his "big name" credibility, and Rose and those he hires turn out to be competent front office types and make the right kinds of moves. Either with a youth emphasis, vet emphasis or a blend - which I think is the most likely.

We shall see.


Right so the Knicks are a huge market team that needs to act like a small market team and build smartly through the draft and without handing out big contracts to the wrong veterans until the right veterans become available and for L.Rose and his guys to not become impatient because they needs to realize that the big name players don't look at the Knicks like they did 20+ years ago. We have to build young and start winning and changing the culture and if we stick with the plan eventually that one star will look our way and the others will follow, or we'll have a chance to trade for a disgruntled star and then the others will look our way.


LRose practically finished assembling the best Execitive team possible. Those hires are from hghly successful mid or small market teams. Hopefully it's the flavor of that new Knicks environment.
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Post#267 » by blueNorange » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:52 pm

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blueNorange wrote:drafting lamelo is all about projection, the hope that he grows and bulks up and ends up becoming a 6'10" 220 point forward ala giannis.

if that's the pitch then i sign up for that, but don't make him out to be the can't miss guy when he's not even top 3 in a historic weak draft.



No it ain’t. He plays nothing like Giannis

i wasn't comparing playing style, i'm comparing growth spurt.
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Post#268 » by Capn'O » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:54 pm

Knox should have been out of the lottery in that draft. Very different level of prospect.

I'm not sold on LaMelo but can appreciate the much higher floor. Even the case with Lonzo.
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Post#269 » by god shammgod » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:30 pm

there's been very few actual point guards that are 6'8 or taller in the history of basketball. it makes him pretty unique. i think the only guys who've been taller are ben and magic. and in the nba the mismatch is king.
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Post#270 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:51 pm

Capn'O wrote:Knox should have been out of the lottery in that draft. Very different level of prospect.

I'm not sold on LaMelo but can appreciate the much higher floor. Even the case with Lonzo.


I'd rather just take Lonzo if we're so hot for a Ball. At least he's already fixed his shot. :D
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Post#271 » by Capn'O » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:16 am

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Capn'O wrote:Knox should have been out of the lottery in that draft. Very different level of prospect.

I'm not sold on LaMelo but can appreciate the much higher floor. Even the case with Lonzo.


I'd rather just take Lonzo if we're so hot for a Ball. At least he's already fixed his shot. :D


Nono - LaMelo is much more north-south. Ceiling is higher.
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Post#272 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:19 am

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Capn'O wrote:Knox should have been out of the lottery in that draft. Very different level of prospect.

I'm not sold on LaMelo but can appreciate the much higher floor. Even the case with Lonzo.


I'd rather just take Lonzo if we're so hot for a Ball. At least he's already fixed his shot. :D


Nono - LaMelo is much more north-south. Ceiling is higher.


How's that "bust potential" quotient?
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Post#273 » by Capn'O » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:18 am

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I'd rather just take Lonzo if we're so hot for a Ball. At least he's already fixed his shot. :D


Nono - LaMelo is much more north-south. Ceiling is higher.


How's that "bust potential" quotient?


Way safer than Knox :lol:

There's a lot of refinement to do for Ball but the existing talent/translatable skills is higher + no motor/brain questions.
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Post#274 » by KnicksGod » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:06 am

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LaMelo is a top 6 guy in every class.


Anybody care to give me a brief overview of his game and what level of player he’ll be like.


I wrote this a month ago:

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Thanks. I’m getting a Kemba Walker vibe.
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Post#275 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:36 am

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Nono - LaMelo is much more north-south. Ceiling is higher.


How's that "bust potential" quotient?


Way safer than Knox :lol:

There's a lot of refinement to do for Ball but the existing talent/translatable skills is higher + no motor/brain questions.


I'd rather not take the risk. Plus, we don't need Lavar on celebrity row most home games causing problems. You know he's not gonna take Dolan's shyt. He didn't even take Magic's shyt.
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Post#276 » by Hes_On_Fire » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:25 am

Lavar Ball and the Knicks are a match made in heaven.
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Post#277 » by rajajackal » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:40 pm

Hes_On_Fire wrote:Lavar Ball and the Knicks are a match made in heaven.


i think that match was made in the other place, but yeah, its congruent
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Post#278 » by Infinitimind » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:36 pm

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But P.Jackson wasn't willing to put all the work in that needs to be put in to show the free agents how much you want them. Phil wouldn't even go fly to the away games or fly to meet with all the free agents that he would need to to show how bad he wanted them. It won't, or shouldn't, be any issue with Rose and his people to put all the work in that will be needed to show the players how much they want them. Rose won't fall asleep during workouts with the draft prospects either.. :sleep:


Right. So there's the part where it might work out. Rose would seem, clearly, to be the more diligent, harder working guy at this point in their careers. The similarity of hire is Dolan always having to have the biggest name over the (possibly) better fit/idea.

I'd say a legit concern, one I'm personally not that concerned about, but others have raised it, is that Rose's hire has a lot to do with being able to close the deal on free agents, so there is concern the Knicks will swing too hard to the "get the established vets/get the FA star" and kind of short circuit the rebuild, such as it's already been.

So the hope is, sort of splitting the difference on those takes, is that Dolan leaves Rose pretty much alone, based on his "big name" credibility, and Rose and those he hires turn out to be competent front office types and make the right kinds of moves. Either with a youth emphasis, vet emphasis or a blend - which I think is the most likely.

We shall see.


Right so the Knicks are a huge market team that needs to act like a small market team and build smartly through the draft and without handing out big contracts to the wrong veterans until the right veterans become available and for L.Rose and his guys to not become impatient because they needs to realize that the big name players don't look at the Knicks like they did 20+ years ago. We have to build young and start winning and changing the culture and if we stick with the plan eventually that one star will look our way and the others will follow, or we'll have a chance to trade for a disgruntled star and then the others will look our way.


I wish that was the case but I believe they will chase the big name. If they hire Thibs , you know they are not trying to rebuild. Just sucks we never learn our lessons and always go for the quick fix.
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Post#279 » by Infinitimind » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:43 pm

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lol no


He would 100 percent go top 5, probably 2nd or 3rd. He was getting a lot of hype during his workout


key word workout.


What part of we are of a joke franchise and can’t develop players for ****. The kid should be playing the 4 and instead fizdale player him at the two. We also had no spacing, didn’t allow him to play thru mistake. They legit put him in the worst situation possible and we wonder why he looks like **** out there. He’s goes to the Jazz he averaging 18 a game easy.
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Post#280 » by Chanel Bomber » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:06 pm

I’m willing to bet my entire building Lamelo gon bust.

I see great passing but I don’t see great PG play (in my shamelessly limited and amateur scouting). He reminds me of Jason Williams. A lot of flash but not a whole lot of substance, and I highly doubt that Lamelo will find a way to morph into a role player with decent shooting percentages on a winning team like J-Will did in ‘06.

Lamelo won’t be able to play off the ball so right off the bat he and RJ will be stunting each other’s development. So what are we even doing there. Then Lamelo can’t shoot, and neither is he an explosive athlete, so he won’t be a threat with the ball in his hands. Defenders will sag off him and stay home on shooters. He’ll be good in transition, but he’ll hurt the team in the halfcourt, and hurt the development of other young players due to his ball dominance and inability to play off the ball.

I’ll root for him if we draft him but I see more of an Adam Morrison career trajectory than a future All-Star.

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