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Re: Leon Rose first player move as President 

Post#61 » by moocow007 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:25 am

Kinda like Isaiah Thomas?

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Post#62 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:04 am

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Re: Leon Rose first player move as President 

Post#63 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:17 am

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F N 11 wrote:I believe in Walt Perrin. He can shoot and attack. It’s about time we start getting all around players.


Is this more Perrin's area or Zanin?

I think you are right with Perrin, as he'd have more data based on college career.


Some guys here don't know where they stashed their remote controls have the time and talking like they're in the know.

Walt Perrin and Frank Zanin are the illest pairing in the NBA, the top executive scouts from Utah AND OKC.

This is what Kobe had to say about Frank Zanin:

Read on Twitter


Leon Rose has absolutely gotten executives from the best basketball MINDS pool in the game.

These Knicks' execs have their pulse and eyes EVERYWHERE and therefore have NO DOUBTS that Jared Harper is a baller.

The following is a beat writer for the Atlanta Hawks. He actually went Nostrodamus.

2019 NBA draft scouting report: Jared Harper
By Zach Hood


https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2019/5/14/18566088/jared-harper-atlanta-hawks-nba-draft-scouting-report-profile-auburn

Before the 2019 NBA Draft arrives, Peachtree Hoops will break down more than 70 available prospects with an eye toward what the Atlanta Hawks may look to do in late June.

This installment centers on Auburn guard Jared Harper.

Jared Harper was an enormous part of Auburn’s miraculous run to the Final Four in 2019, fueling the Tigers in some of the biggest moments of the NCAA Tournament. He scored 26 points to silence the Kentucky Wildcats in the Elite 8, and averaged over 16 points per game for the tournament as a whole. Harper, while undersized (he’s listed at 5’11), made a living off of isolation, ranking in the top third of his draft class in points per possession in isolation situations. He ranked even higher in efficiency off passes in isolation possessions, hinting that he is a willing sharer of the basketball when the opportunity for himself to score is not present.

He was also one of the better pick-and-roll ball handlers in the class, ranking towards the top of the class in points per possession in pick-and-roll situations, both in his own scoring and finding his teammates. Given Harper’s lack of height, he was heavily reliant on shotmaking, and was effective shooting the ball in his final season for the Tigers. The junior ranked towards the top of the class in points per possessions on jumpers, averaging over a point per shot attempt. This number becomes more impressive when you realize 205 of his reported 229 jump shots were from three-point range. Factor in that Harper was elite in pull-up situations as a junior at Auburn, and you’re looking at a potential sixth man weapon at the next level, though his lack of height makes things tricky.

The easiest comparison for Harper that instantly comes to mind when you watch him play is Terry Rozier of the Boston Celtics. However, Rozier stands at 6’1 with a 6’8 wingspan, making him considerably longer than the former Auburn Tiger. Even without a reliable wingspan measurement on record for Harper, it’s tough to imagine he can impact the game on the defensive end in a positive way at his height. Harper gets his points from beyond the arc, and seemingly would rather pull-up in his own rhythm than shoot off of a pass from a teammate, two Rozier-type qualities. Harper will likely have to be more prolific than Rozier (career 35.4%) from deep to provide enough value to make up for the defensive liability he will almost certainly be from day one at 5’11, but that may not be such a stretch given the improvement he made over his collegiate career. It’s also worth noting that Harper’s assist percentage for his junior season was nearly double the mark Rozier has posted throughout his career with the Celtics.

Harper profiles as a potential back-up point/sixth man type of player, probably breaks into the NBA on a two-way contract, potentially as the third point guard for a rebuilding club that lacks veteran depth at the position. The fit in Atlanta is tough given the fact that Trae Young also lacks size, but that didn’t stop Travis Schlenk from bringing in Jaylen Adams after the 2018 NBA Draft. Harper profiles as a much more explosive prospect than Adams, and he has another gear he can get to athletically as well. If Schlenk liked Adams, he should like Harper more.

Due to his freakish athleticism, it feels like Harper is definitely going to be an NBA player of some sort at this stage, while it’s completely up in the air at this point as to where he’s one of the sixty selections at the 2019 NBA Draft or not. ESPN currently has Harper right on the bubble, ranking him as the 61st-best prospect overall, 8th at the point guard position. The two things about Harper to really keep in mind when it comes to whether Atlanta would pick him up or not are his lack of size and his shooting ability. His lack of size, as mentioned earlier, makes him nearly impossible to deploy next to Young in the backcourt. While that may not really matter in the second round/two-way category, it’s something worth being aware of. His shooting, however, is probably what draws a general manager like Travis Schlenk to him the most.

Schlenk has shown that he highly values shooting on draft night, with three of his four first-round picks in his first two drafts being players that were regarded as borderline elite shooters at their position. Ironically, John Collins’ shooting was probably the reason he slipped to 19 in the 2017 NBA Draft, and now he’s one of the more consistent frontcourt three-point shooting options around the league, especially if you compare him to other big men with his age and experience.

Frankly, the concerns of Harper’s fit next to Young are somewhat irrelevant with the lack of guarantee associated with the area in the draft Harper would be picked. If he goes undrafted, Atlanta should absolutely have his name circled on their list of two-way candidates, as he will be one of the better players not drafted in that scenario. Wherever Harper lands, expect him to put up numbers in any G League time he sees, and expect him to be aggressive no matter what level he is playing at.


What the f*ck was that initial comment about?

*edit* - seems directed at Wingo! :D

I've never pretended to be "in the know".

I know that Perrin and Zanin were both very good hires, at the least, or excellent. Yes, based on the articles written about them, which I assume is the source of info for 99% of us.

I was commenting on who might have driven it more, not that it ultimately matters, but more out of just something to speculate on. Was it more the college oriented guy, the pro player guy, or a collective decision.

But agree with your take. The Perrin/Zanin (x2 - we hired his brother as scout!) is HUGE. And I think the Knicks scouting, in and of itself, was solid. I mean, sure, Frank - who I like, but that sounds like a Phil/Gaines choice. And Knox? Who knows. But when the scouts find Dotson lower down, or Trier as UDFA, or Iggy late 2nd, and of course Mitch, then the STAFF is doing good work. It seemed like the issue was more at the top, what the leadership did with the analysis.

Sort of like if the president didn't really want to hear what the National Security Council had to say. Lot's of good intel, doesn't matter if you ignore it or go off in another direction completely.

I think having Perrin/Zanin helps to fix that. And Mills being gone.
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Re: Leon Rose first player move as President 

Post#64 » by MaseInYourFace » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:36 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:Ha, he's my height. Great job, Leon. Kadeem was 6'5" and could PLAY DEFENSE AND PENETRATE. He would be the perfect 3rd string guard. :noway:

We already have Lamar Peters. Has Leon even seen him play yet?


Isn’t peters more of a shooter? This kid seems like more of a slasher and more explosive. I could be wrong but they seem like different kinds of players. Kadeem was nice but low ceiling and already 27.

Btw I don’t see an nba player in Peters. This kid on the other hand has a chance at least due to his speed and explosiveness.
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Re: Leon Rose first player move as President 

Post#65 » by MaseInYourFace » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:38 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
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HarthorneWingo wrote:Ha, he's my height. Great job, Leon. Kadeem was 6'5" and could PLAY DEFENSE AND PENETRATE. He would be the perfect 3rd string guard. :noway:

We already have Lamar Peters. Has Leon even seen him play yet?


6'5.5" wingospan though :o


Kadeem's wingospan is 6'9" and he can guard at least 3 positions, 4 if the other team goes small which makes he great for switching on pick and rolls. We already have Peters for a small spark plug type of PG off the bench if we want to go that way. This makes no sense to me.


I’m a not big frank guy but frank already fills the role you described.
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Re: Leon Rose first player move as President 

Post#66 » by MaseInYourFace » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:40 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
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HarthorneWingo wrote:Ha, he's my height. Great job, Leon. Kadeem was 6'5" and could PLAY DEFENSE AND PENETRATE. He would be the perfect 3rd string guard. :noway:

We already have Lamar Peters. Has Leon even seen him play yet?

Kadeem is barely 6'1".


I stand corrected. I went back on line and saw an NBA.com advanced state page on him that said 6'2.25" and 200 lbs. My bad. But that still doesn't change my point. Kadeem is an excellent and tough defender who will get to the hoop and mix it up underneath our own basket. The guy is a worker and presumably a good teammate. I still don't get it.


Not much to get. Kadeem is old for g league and his role at nba level is bottom of roster at best even on a bad Knicks team. It’s time to move on.
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Re: Leon Rose first player move as President 

Post#67 » by robillionaire » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:42 am

If we’re going to keep players on 2 way deals they should be on the younger end who may have a little potential, not players who have already peaked like Kadeem
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Post#68 » by MaseInYourFace » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:44 am

Lol gotta love this board. This is a g league move. You guys love over analyzing everything to death. If eventually we get good enough at farming from g league we will get one or two NBA level players from there every few years or so and that would be a massive success.
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Post#69 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:37 pm

robillionaire wrote:If we’re going to keep players on 2 way deals they should be on the younger end who may have a little potential, not players who have already peaked like Kadeem


If only this drove the decision, and nothing else, and the players were otherwise equal, then this alone makes it a VERY solid move.
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Re: Leon Rose first player move as President 

Post#70 » by King of Canada » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:54 pm

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Yeah, season 1 is the single best season of tv ever made.


My wife and I go through shows after we put the kids to bed. We'll watch an episode together and call it a night. At the outset of COVID we decided to do a rewatch of The Wire from start to finish. We dove back in and it was every bit as good as I remembered - the magnificent storytelling and characters were fresh all over again. We got through season one, and began the long slog through season two so we could get back to the towers in 3-5. About a month ago we put the kids to bed, sit down to watch episode 3 of season two, and...it costs money. I spent about 10 minutes logging out of our account and logging back in thinking there was some glitch.


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Re: Leon Rose first player move as President 

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Fury wrote:Marlo?


the wire might be my favorite show of all time.


Yeah, season 1 is the single best season of tv ever made.


*season 3 has entered the chat*

but word. picking seasons of the wire is like picking favorite children... save for season 2, which i think gets a bad rap, but could have been blended into seasons 1 and 3.
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Re: Leon Rose first player move as President 

Post#72 » by Jeff Van Gully » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:24 pm

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the wire might be my favorite show of all time.

I was watching that show and
Spoiler:
I couldn't understand why Marlo killed that girl (I think her name was Devaughn)
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SPILLLERS!


the wire spoiler inside, answering the original wire spoiler question.

Spoiler:
because she set him up for the ops. i thought that was pretty obvious.

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Re: Leon Rose first player move as President 

Post#73 » by Zenzibar » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:46 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Is this more Perrin's area or Zanin?

I think you are right with Perrin, as he'd have more data based on college career.


Some guys here don't know where they stashed their remote controls have the time and talking like they're in the know.

Walt Perrin and Frank Zanin are the illest pairing in the NBA, the top executive scouts from Utah AND OKC.

This is what Kobe had to say about Frank Zanin:

Read on Twitter


Leon Rose has absolutely gotten executives from the best basketball MINDS pool in the game.

These Knicks' execs have their pulse and eyes EVERYWHERE and therefore have NO DOUBTS that Jared Harper is a baller.

The following is a beat writer for the Atlanta Hawks. He actually went Nostrodamus.

2019 NBA draft scouting report: Jared Harper
By Zach Hood


https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2019/5/14/18566088/jared-harper-atlanta-hawks-nba-draft-scouting-report-profile-auburn

Before the 2019 NBA Draft arrives, Peachtree Hoops will break down more than 70 available prospects with an eye toward what the Atlanta Hawks may look to do in late June.

This installment centers on Auburn guard Jared Harper.

Jared Harper was an enormous part of Auburn’s miraculous run to the Final Four in 2019, fueling the Tigers in some of the biggest moments of the NCAA Tournament. He scored 26 points to silence the Kentucky Wildcats in the Elite 8, and averaged over 16 points per game for the tournament as a whole. Harper, while undersized (he’s listed at 5’11), made a living off of isolation, ranking in the top third of his draft class in points per possession in isolation situations. He ranked even higher in efficiency off passes in isolation possessions, hinting that he is a willing sharer of the basketball when the opportunity for himself to score is not present.

He was also one of the better pick-and-roll ball handlers in the class, ranking towards the top of the class in points per possession in pick-and-roll situations, both in his own scoring and finding his teammates. Given Harper’s lack of height, he was heavily reliant on shotmaking, and was effective shooting the ball in his final season for the Tigers. The junior ranked towards the top of the class in points per possessions on jumpers, averaging over a point per shot attempt. This number becomes more impressive when you realize 205 of his reported 229 jump shots were from three-point range. Factor in that Harper was elite in pull-up situations as a junior at Auburn, and you’re looking at a potential sixth man weapon at the next level, though his lack of height makes things tricky.

The easiest comparison for Harper that instantly comes to mind when you watch him play is Terry Rozier of the Boston Celtics. However, Rozier stands at 6’1 with a 6’8 wingspan, making him considerably longer than the former Auburn Tiger. Even without a reliable wingspan measurement on record for Harper, it’s tough to imagine he can impact the game on the defensive end in a positive way at his height. Harper gets his points from beyond the arc, and seemingly would rather pull-up in his own rhythm than shoot off of a pass from a teammate, two Rozier-type qualities. Harper will likely have to be more prolific than Rozier (career 35.4%) from deep to provide enough value to make up for the defensive liability he will almost certainly be from day one at 5’11, but that may not be such a stretch given the improvement he made over his collegiate career. It’s also worth noting that Harper’s assist percentage for his junior season was nearly double the mark Rozier has posted throughout his career with the Celtics.

Harper profiles as a potential back-up point/sixth man type of player, probably breaks into the NBA on a two-way contract, potentially as the third point guard for a rebuilding club that lacks veteran depth at the position. The fit in Atlanta is tough given the fact that Trae Young also lacks size, but that didn’t stop Travis Schlenk from bringing in Jaylen Adams after the 2018 NBA Draft. Harper profiles as a much more explosive prospect than Adams, and he has another gear he can get to athletically as well. If Schlenk liked Adams, he should like Harper more.

Due to his freakish athleticism, it feels like Harper is definitely going to be an NBA player of some sort at this stage, while it’s completely up in the air at this point as to where he’s one of the sixty selections at the 2019 NBA Draft or not. ESPN currently has Harper right on the bubble, ranking him as the 61st-best prospect overall, 8th at the point guard position. The two things about Harper to really keep in mind when it comes to whether Atlanta would pick him up or not are his lack of size and his shooting ability. His lack of size, as mentioned earlier, makes him nearly impossible to deploy next to Young in the backcourt. While that may not really matter in the second round/two-way category, it’s something worth being aware of. His shooting, however, is probably what draws a general manager like Travis Schlenk to him the most.

Schlenk has shown that he highly values shooting on draft night, with three of his four first-round picks in his first two drafts being players that were regarded as borderline elite shooters at their position. Ironically, John Collins’ shooting was probably the reason he slipped to 19 in the 2017 NBA Draft, and now he’s one of the more consistent frontcourt three-point shooting options around the league, especially if you compare him to other big men with his age and experience.

Frankly, the concerns of Harper’s fit next to Young are somewhat irrelevant with the lack of guarantee associated with the area in the draft Harper would be picked. If he goes undrafted, Atlanta should absolutely have his name circled on their list of two-way candidates, as he will be one of the better players not drafted in that scenario. Wherever Harper lands, expect him to put up numbers in any G League time he sees, and expect him to be aggressive no matter what level he is playing at.


What the f*ck was that initial comment about?

*edit* - seems directed at Wingo! :D

I've never pretended to be "in the know".

I know that Perrin and Zanin were both very good hires, at the least, or excellent. Yes, based on the articles written about them, which I assume is the source of info for 99% of us.

I was commenting on who might have driven it more, not that it ultimately matters, but more out of just something to speculate on. Was it more the college oriented guy, the pro player guy, or a collective decision.

But agree with your take. The Perrin/Zanin (x2 - we hired his brother as scout!) is HUGE. And I think the Knicks scouting, in and of itself, was solid. I mean, sure, Frank - who I like, but that sounds like a Phil/Gaines choice. And Knox? Who knows. But when the scouts find Dotson lower down, or Trier as UDFA, or Iggy late 2nd, and of course Mitch, then the STAFF is doing good work. It seemed like the issue was more at the top, what the leadership did with the analysis.

Sort of like if the president didn't really want to hear what the National Security Council had to say. Lot's of good intel, doesn't matter if you ignore it or go off in another direction completely.

I think having Perrin/Zanin helps to fix that. And Mills being gone.



My Dude, it wasn't directed at you. You've been applauding these hirings from the get. You're right about the second part though. :lol:
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Post#74 » by Zenzibar » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:51 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Kind of a Nate Robinson X Avery Johnson vibe



How about this dude with hops (pre-injury).

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Post#75 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:55 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:Kind of a Nate Robinson X Avery Johnson vibe



How about this dude with hops (pre-injury).



A possibility!

So, imagine the Knicks had to "settle" for Kira Lewis, with this kid already on the squad?
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Post#76 » by Zenzibar » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:59 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
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thebuzzardman wrote:Kind of a Nate Robinson X Avery Johnson vibe



How about this dude with hops (pre-injury).



A possibility!

So, imagine the Knicks had to "settle" for Kira Lewis, with this kid already on the squad?


Yeah, not sure. Picking up Harper may take Kira off the board as a selection, who knows.

Maybe now we can swing for the fences if we land in the 7th spot and draft someone that can REALLY shoot like Aaron Nesmith.
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Post#77 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:19 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:Lol gotta love this board. This is a g league move. You guys love over analyzing everything to death. If eventually we get good enough at farming from g league we will get one or two NBA level players from there every few years or so and that would be a massive success.


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Post#78 » by Phish Tank » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:53 pm

this is really a move on the margins. Harper is obviously a lot younger than Kadeem and there's more of an opportunity to see what he's made of. Kadeem's just a known product now and there's no reason to waste a two-way spot on him.
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Post#79 » by Nazrmohamed » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:31 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
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Huey Freeman wrote:Kadeem is barely 6'1".


I stand corrected. I went back on line and saw an NBA.com advanced state page on him that said 6'2.25" and 200 lbs. My bad. But that still doesn't change my point. Kadeem is an excellent and tough defender who will get to the hoop and mix it up underneath our own basket. The guy is a worker and presumably a good teammate. I still don't get it.


Not much to get. Kadeem is old for g league and his role at nba level is bottom of roster at best even on a bad Knicks team. It’s time to move on.


Exactly, its time to consider Europe for him.
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Post#80 » by Richard4444 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:43 pm

It was stupid keep Kadeem (a 27 years bench warmer) as a 2 way player. We need players with more potential.

The other option was Lamar.

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