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3toheadmelo wrote:

mpharris36 wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:I also don't think Oneyka is that same athlete as Bam either

I think Oneyka is a great athlete for his size. For example I think he is a better overall athlete then Obi Toppin. Obi has better verticle leaping (no question there). But OO is much more fluid and athlete with good feet that is switchable 1-5 and can guard in space. He moves side to side (even by showing his euro-step for a guy his size.

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He is a good athlete for sure but I was comparing him to Bam. I think Bam is on another level of athleticism. Bam just moves like a guard and has insane hops. Onyeka doesn't really move like him and vertically, Bam blows him out the water in that aspect.

In terms of Obi vs Onyeka, I don't really ever see Onyeka being a star player, and I think Obi just has that star potential even with his bad D. I can be wrong though but that's just how I view them 2. I think Onyeka's ceiling is a high end rotation player. Still not a bad player but I want someone who can be a star so I rather roll the dice on Obi

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moocow007 wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:

knickstape21 wrote:
Agreed with you on this and I’ll also say over Obi as well. I buy the flashes to create own shot, put the ball on the floor, and knock down the 3. He’s a worker.

He can play as the primary big or next to Robinson. Versatility... shocked we don’t discuss him more often.

Yeah I can probably talk myself into taking him over Obi too. He is def one of the most underrated players in this draft

Achiuwa is mechanical and stiff offensively and hes not near the defensive player Okongwu is. Theres a reason Okongwu is much higher in most every mock draft.

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moocow007 wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:Surprised that Vassell has a lot of support at #6. I personally would take everyone else on this poll over him

So would I. Folks love them some 3 and D too much. They're still too focused on fit when the team has more pressing needs.

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Worst_to_First wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:

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We are going to get tired of keeping on voting for Obi in these polls LOL.

3toheadmelo wrote:

moocow007 wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:Surprised that Vassell has a lot of support at #6. I personally would take everyone else on this poll over him

So would I. Folks love them some 3 and D too much. They're still too focused on fit when the team has more pressing needs.

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3toheadmelo wrote:

moocow007 wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:Yeah I can probably talk myself into taking him over Obi too. He is def one of the most underrated players in this draft

Achiuwa is mechanical and stiff offensively and hes not near the defensive player Okongwu is. Theres a reason Okongwu is much higher in most every mock draft.

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Achiuwa doesn’t seem stiff to me at all

Okongwu being higher than Achiuwa in mocks doesn’t mean much to me though. We’ve seen guys like Devin Booker, Bam, Mitchell, etc fall in drafts and they’re the best of their respective classes. Frank was picked ahead of Donovan Mitchell.. SGA ahead of Knox.. list goes on.

I just think that Achiuwa is a better prospect even if most mocks disagree.

For what it’s worth, DX has Okongwu going 5th and Achiuwa at 8. So there’s not really a big gap either

3toheadmelo wrote:

moocow007 wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:Yeah I can probably talk myself into taking him over Obi too. He is def one of the most underrated players in this draft

Achiuwa is mechanical and stiff offensively and hes not near the defensive player Okongwu is. Theres a reason Okongwu is much higher in most every mock draft.

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Achiuwa doesn’t seem stiff to me at all

Okongwu being higher than Achiuwa in mocks doesn’t mean much to me though. We’ve seen guys like Devin Booker, Bam, Mitchell, etc fall in drafts and they’re the best of their respective classes. Frank was picked ahead of Donovan Mitchell.. SGA ahead of Knox.. list goes on.

Achiuwa

god shammgod wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:

moocow007 wrote:
So would I. Folks love them some 3 and D too much. They're still too focused on fit when the team has more pressing needs.

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haliburton is 3 & d. he aint gonna be a starting point guard in the league. he's frank where the jumpers go in more often. maybe.

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:

mpharris36 wrote:for anyone voting other I would really appreciate you guys putting it in the comment section so that I can add those players next time or if eventually it gets to a point where it will later where other might get highest ranking I need to be able to calculate what the "others" are.

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god shammgod wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:

moocow007 wrote:
So would I. Folks love them some 3 and D too much. They're still too focused on fit when the team has more pressing needs.

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haliburton is 3 & d. he aint gonna be a starting point guard in the league. he's frank where the jumpers go in more often. maybe.

moocow007 wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:Surprised that Vassell has a lot of support at #6. I personally would take everyone else on this poll over him

So would I. Folks love them some 3 and D too much. They're still too focused on fit when the team has more pressing needs.

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2010 wrote:

god shammgod wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:Facts

haliburton is 3 & d. he aint gonna be a starting point guard in the league. he's frank where the jumpers go in more often. maybe.

That's pretty valuable tho. Like imagine how nutty this board would be if Frank actually hit his jumpers consistently. Dudes would be crowning him. So if that is Haliburton's floor, we'd be in great shape.

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:

moocow007 wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:Surprised that Vassell has a lot of support at #6. I personally would take everyone else on this poll over him

So would I. Folks love them some 3 and D too much. They're still too focused on fit when the team has more pressing needs.

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I logged in just to check if Vassell was still in the lead. I think we’ve like barely talked about him in any of the draft threads for him to have this many votes.

My guess is there’s a group of posters here, that don’t think there’s a star in this draft and want to keep it safe, so we at least end up with something. That’s not my philosophy but I can see their thought process behind it.

aq_ua wrote:

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:

moocow007 wrote:
So would I. Folks love them some 3 and D too much. They're still too focused on fit when the team has more pressing needs.

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I logged in just to check if Vassell was still in the lead. I think we’ve like barely talked about him in any of the draft threads for him to have this many votes.

My guess is there’s a group of posters here, that don’t think there’s a star in this draft and want to keep it safe, so we at least end up with something. That’s not my philosophy but I can see their thought process behind it.

Yup, I am certainly in that bucket of not wanting to potentially waste a lottery pick. Beyond that, though, it's become so much harder for a front court player to develop into a star without some really incredible guard-like skills. Take a John Collins - a 20/10 guy shooting 58% would be a possible MVP candidate in an earlier era, but it's not even clear he'll get a max extension. I think the room for error for drafting a front court player in the lottery has become incredibly slim, and I just don't have the level of conviction necessary on any of these candidates.

aq_ua wrote:

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:

moocow007 wrote:
So would I. Folks love them some 3 and D too much. They're still too focused on fit when the team has more pressing needs.

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I logged in just to check if Vassell was still in the lead. I think we’ve like barely talked about him in any of the draft threads for him to have this many votes.

My guess is there’s a group of posters here, that don’t think there’s a star in this draft and want to keep it safe, so we at least end up with something. That’s not my philosophy but I can see their thought process behind it.

Yup, I am certainly in that bucket of not wanting to potentially waste a lottery pick. Beyond that, though, it's become so much harder for a front court player to develop into a star without some really incredible guard-like skills. Take a John Collins - a 20/10 guy shooting 58% would be a possible MVP candidate in an earlier era, but it's not even clear he'll get a max extension. I think the room for error for drafting a front court player in the lottery has become incredibly slim, and I just don't have the level of conviction necessary on any of these candidates.

mpharris36 wrote:

aq_ua wrote:

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
I logged in just to check if Vassell was still in the lead. I think we’ve like barely talked about him in any of the draft threads for him to have this many votes.

My guess is there’s a group of posters here, that don’t think there’s a star in this draft and want to keep it safe, so we at least end up with something. That’s not my philosophy but I can see their thought process behind it.

Yup, I am certainly in that bucket of not wanting to potentially waste a lottery pick. Beyond that, though, it's become so much harder for a front court player to develop into a star without some really incredible guard-like skills. Take a John Collins - a 20/10 guy shooting 58% would be a possible MVP candidate in an earlier era, but it's not even clear he'll get a max extension. I think the room for error for drafting a front court player in the lottery has become incredibly slim, and I just don't have the level of conviction necessary on any of these candidates.

I just think front court defense has come more and more important. You just can't hide big guys that are bad defenders. With all the screens and spacing you need your bigs to be versatile in terms of switching at times and guarding in space while also being able to recover.

Even some of the great offensive bigs that don't play defense are on some of the worst records in the NBA.

knickstape21 wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:

moocow007 wrote:
Achiuwa is mechanical and stiff offensively and hes not near the defensive player Okongwu is. Theres a reason Okongwu is much higher in most every mock draft.

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Achiuwa doesn’t seem stiff to me at all

Okongwu being higher than Achiuwa in mocks doesn’t mean much to me though. We’ve seen guys like Devin Booker, Bam, Mitchell, etc fall in drafts and they’re the best of their respective classes. Frank was picked ahead of Donovan Mitchell.. SGA ahead of Knox.. list goes on.

I just think that Achiuwa is a better prospect even if most mocks disagree.

For what it’s worth, DX has Okongwu going 5th and Achiuwa at 8. So there’s not really a big gap either

Yeah not sure where the stiff comes from. Maybe a little clunky? He’s the same size as Okongwu moving around like that and has a much better feel with the ball and shooting the ball than Okongwu.

This is a dude that can grab a rebound and go coast to coast and dunk on people’s heads. Nothing stiff about that.