HEZI wrote: moocow007 wrote:
Whoever needs him can take him. Knicks don't need him and have no business wasting their only lotto pick on him.
What skills does he have?
What players do the Knicks have that are guaranteed locks for anything? For the love of pete, the Knicks are the least talented team in the NBA next to the Pistons and Mitchell Robinson hasn't shown he's more than Clint Capela. If you think Okongwu is marginal (your words) then why would the Knicks having Mitchell Robinson be a big determinant of lack of need (guys like Robinson and Okongwu are a dime a dozen right?)?
Okongwu is an elite versatile defender, he has great basketball instincts, he's physically dominant, he's light on his feel and very fluid, high basketball IQ and he's always, he has shooting potential considering he shoots at a high percentage on a lot of free throw attempts.
What skills do Cole Anthony have? Chucking balls at the basket? See again, I can also marginalize one player undeservedly as well.
Knicks aren't the least talented team in the league, what are you talking about? They are the worst shooting team in the league with the worst guards in the league, terrible depth, terrible chemistry and floor balance, bad leadership, etc.
Their most talented player is Julius Randle who 90% of this board is wiling trade for a bottle of warm stale beer. So, yeah, they are among the least talented teams in the NBA. The rest of that stuff is also true and a big contributing part of that is their lack of talent.
You talking about talent and you think just grabbing some big with limited offensive skills is going to solve our issues?
Talent is not just offense, you do realize that right? If talent was just offense Bill Russell wouldn't be considered for the Mount Rushmore of NBA basketball. Dikembe Mutombo wouldn't be talked about as one of the 100 greatest players ever. Rodman, Bobby Jones, etc...all those guys.
But ok, you must be a fan of Julius Randle if you think talent equates to just offense. And that's before considering inefficient offense that you're going to get out of Cole Anthony. Chucking balls at the basket isn't talent...again you see how I'm marginalizing someone skills like you are?
I'm sure if you tell Okongwu to just chuck that he'd be able to put up more points and therefore be "more offensive" as well. I mean let's see he shot 62% (while averaging 16.2 ppg) from the field to 38% for Cole Anthony (and 18.5ppg). I would think he can average 18.5 ppg if he shot more and still keep it above 50%. So who is the less talented offensive player here?
Knicks have a huge collection of former lotto picks, from Randle to RJ to Elfrid Payton to DSJ to Frank to Knox to the dudes no longer here like Mudiay and Herzonja and Vonleh, etc. It's not a lack of talent, it's a lack of an actual team with floor spacing and roles and chemistry and leadership.
Oh come on. Other than Barrett who hasn't exactly shown he's anything more than the next Thaddeus Young, the Knicks have a pretty much bunch of failed lottery picks. Randle, Payton, DSJ, Frank, Knox? Are you serious? That is a bottom of the barrel team. There is little real talent there.
You want to add an athletic big with nothing but inside scoring ability, terrible decision making with the ball who relies on guards and you want to add him to a team with the worst guards and worst collective shooting in the league? Because you think we just need to throw "talent" together and it's somehow going to work? We've been trying that for years and it hasn't worked.
I'm sorry I didn't realize we were in any position to actually win games? Or are you saying the knicks are a Cole Anthony away from being anything more than they were? If so, you're insane.
I think just throwing "talent" together works? Did you read your last paragraph trying to argue that the players that are "thrown" together on the current team constitutes talent? Which side are you arguing here? I sad this team has NO talent, you bring up the current team as an argument refute my statement that this team has no talent. Then you insult the same team that you said has talent by saying that this team "thrown together" hasn't worked. HUH?
Read everything you wrote before carefully. Maybe then you're realize you're arguing yourself in circles.
But ok, 3 of the 5 guys YOU argued qualify as "talent" on this team are guards, specifically point guards. So why on earth would we need another PG? We only have 1 center, no real PF if everyone gets their wish and Randle is dumped and obviously that is more than enough to not have need of a PF/C.